List Mgmt. 2019 FA Targets

[Arr0w]

It’s not that that’s not the case, it’s more he plays in an area we have covered, and the players he’d have to replace are Marchbank or McGovern.

He’s already at his peak, and he’s never got beyond a B/B+ player. He’s also not particular astute defensively, and gets exposed under pressure.

Coniglio should be priority number one IMO. Would compliment our midfield beautifully and add that A-grade inside/outside mid we were trying to procure with Shiel. I actually rate him higher.

Coniglio is a gun, would be a great get, but would cost a bomb. Recruiting the likes of Stocker, Setterfield, Dow, Fisher, SPS, all guys that can win their own ball, starts to diminish the importance for the need of a player like Coniglio. Mind you, none are at his level as yet.

I would rather target players that we have limited types, such as a Cunningham from the Swans. Yes, we do have similar players to Tomlinson (disagree that he has reached his peak), yet none have shown his consistency, nor his flexibility, perhaps apart from a McGovern

I understand that most people are always going to reach for the fruit at the top of the tree, Kelly, Coniglio, but that doesn't mean the lower branches won't yield a decent haul, with players such as Tomlinson, Ellis, Cunningham, all that would still be comfortably best 22 in our side and perhaps more cost effective

 

[Jeremias]

I wouldn't be bragging about it if I were you.

Bragging?

 

[La Dispute]

I would rather target players that we have limited types, such as a Cunningham from the Swans. Yes, we do have similar players to Tomlinson (disagree that he has reached his peak), yet none have shown his consistency, nor his flexibility, perhaps apart from a McGovern

It’s more about priorising needs, and allocating cap space to players who will fill those needs at this point in the rebuild. Tomlinson is going to demand a big contract for a guy who’s going to rotate between a third tall forward and third tall defender. Coniglio on the other hand will come in (on say a 1 mil pa) and be our best outside mid. I know where I’d rather allocate the money to.

I also think that by the end of next season we will be in a position where a FA will want to sign with us, and finally we will manage to get the A-grade mid we set out to get with Shiel.

Not all of Walsh, Stocker, Fisher, Setterfield and SPS will end up being A-graders, and some won’t even be full-time midfielders. I’d much rather bank a proven elite talent while the opportunity is there.

I like the Cuningham suggestion though. Definite Moneyball pick up.

 

[CJMB]

Coniglio is a gun, would be a great get, but would cost a bomb. Recruiting the likes of Stocker, Setterfield, Dow, Fisher, SPS, all guys that can win their own ball, starts to diminish the importance for the need of a player like Coniglio. Mind you, none are at his level as yet.

I would rather target players that we have limited types, such as a Cunningham from the Swans. Yes, we do have similar players to Tomlinson (disagree that he has reached his peak), yet none have shown his consistency, nor his flexibility, perhaps apart from a McGovern

I understand that most people are always going to reach for the fruit at the top of the tree, Kelly, Coniglio, but that doesn't mean the lower branches won't yield a decent haul, with players such as Tomlinson, Ellis, Cunningham, all that would still be comfortably best 22 in our side and perhaps more cost effective

It’s more about priorising needs, and allocating cap space to players who will fill those needs at this point in the rebuild. Tomlinson is going to demand a big contract for a guy who’s going to rotate between a third tall forward and third tall defender. Coniglio on the other hand will come in (on say a 1 mil pa) and be our best outside mid. I know where I’d rather allocate the money to.

I also think that by the end of next season we will be in a position where a FA will want to sign with us, and finally we will manage to get the A-grade mid we set out to get with Shiel.

Not all of Walsh, Stocker, Fisher, Setterfield and SPS will end up being A-graders, and some won’t even be full-time midfielders. I’d much rather bank a proven elite talent while the opportunity is there.

I like the Cuningham suggestion though. Definite Moneyball pick up.

Would think Cogs easily demands 7 figures if he's going to a club not immediately in the window.

He's also a WA boy which makes it more interesting as we know both clubs will go hard at him. WCE may be handcuffed by TPP tightness, who knows, but Freo will throw the kitchen sink at him as a belated Neale replacement. Fyfe, Cogs, Cerra, Brayshaw, Darcy, the Hills, Blakey, Banfield, Walters, maybe (not likely) Bennell... there's some decent quality there for the future, but they could really use another mature A grader alongside Fyfe.

I'm not sure we'll have the possibility of immediate success or will to spend to allow us to get Cogs. Thinking about it, I'd probably prefer we try to lure 2 or 3 younger guys for similar total spend. Could we get a couple of Gresham, Martin, Billings, Cunningham, Ellis, Cutler, Neal-Bulleen, Dunkley, maybe one of Buter/Castagna/Menadue/Naish/etc? For the same money as Coniglio could offer a couple of good young kids $5-600 and maybe there's someone else who comes for opportunity (like a Richmond small, a dogs mid/fwd type, etc)?

 

[chipzac]

It’s more about priorising needs, and allocating cap space to players who will fill those needs at this point in the rebuild. Tomlinson is going to demand a big contract for a guy who’s going to rotate between a third tall forward and third tall defender. Coniglio on the other hand will come in (on say a 1 mil pa) and be our best outside mid. I know where I’d rather allocate the money to.

I also think that by the end of next season we will be in a position where a FA will want to sign with us, and finally we will manage to get the A-grade mid we set out to get with Shiel.

Not all of Walsh, Stocker, Fisher, Setterfield and SPS will end up being A-graders, and some won’t even be full-time midfielders. I’d much rather bank a proven elite talent while the opportunity is there.

I like the Cuningham suggestion though. Definite Moneyball pick up.

Missing 'n' alert!
We just got used to dropping the 'n', so if we got him, deciding when to drop or add it would drive us all crazy.

 

[La Dispute]

Form pending I think Billings (and possibly Gresham) are going to be worth a heap at the end of the year. At an absolute guess I could see a few going as high as 700k, and St Kilda won’t lose them easily either.

Taranto is an interesting one. We’ve got a nice number of inside mids developing, but he could arguably better than the lot and going into 2020 will have three seasons behind him. Adelaides first plus change probably gets that deal done, and that balances out our team nicely, with one mid rotating forward. His goal sense and general nous in the forward line, plus his athleticism, make him an extremely difficult match up.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Form pending I think Billings (and possibly Gresham) are going to be worth a heap at the end of the year. At an absolute guess I could see a few going as high as 700k, and St Kilda won’t lose them easily either.

Taranto is an interesting one. We’ve got a nice number of inside mids developing, but he could arguably better than the lot and going into 2020 will have three seasons behind him. Adelaides first plus change probably gets that deal done, and that balances out our team nicely, with one mid rotating forward. His goal sense and general nous in the forward line, plus his athleticism, make him an extremely difficult match up.

Keeping in mind Taranto is contracted through to the end of 2020, I don't think he'll be available, nor do I think a mid first + change would be enough if he was.

Billings or Gresham - either/or scenario. I think St Kilda would be more intent on keeping Gresham, and while he has a lower ceiling than Billings I think he has a better chance of performing consistently at a good level. Billings is a poor season away from getting turfed for a second rounder, but if he gets a tailwind this year he could easily shoot up in value to essentially "untouchable" status at the Saints. A lot depends on St Kilda's season for these two - a good year probably sees them stick it out, but if the team struggles and another senior player or two start to test the market, I suspect the younger guys become more gettable.

 

[La Dispute]

Billings or Gresham - either/or scenario. I think St Kilda would be more intent on keeping Gresham, and while he has a lower ceiling than Billings I think he has a better chance of performing consistently at a good level. Billings is a poor season away from getting turfed for a second rounder, but if he gets a tailwind this year he could easily shoot up in value to essentially "untouchable" status at the Saints. A lot depends on St Kilda's season for these two - a good year probably sees them stick it out, but if the team struggles and another senior player or two start to test the market, I suspect the younger guys become more gettable.

I think Gresham’s ceiling is higher overall due to his work rate, nimbleness and his midfield exposure to this point his been positive. Billings will be going into his 7th year next year, and although he’s still got another gear to get to, I’m predicting he will always be a flashy but largely inconsistent forward-flanker who will win a couple of games of his own boot a season, bob up in some important moments during a game but will ultimately be unfulfilled potential. I’d liken him to Brad Green at his very best - a good player with a shitload of skill and natural talent, but a little flaky and overawed. My gut feel is a new environment would really help him, which is why I think he’ll be considered.

Gresham I can see being a star with a few more years in the system, and he seems pretty dyed-in-the-wool.

 

[Pafloyul]

Bragging?

Just a joke, Jeremias.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

For me its the fun filled well of gws again...

Coniglio is a no brainer. Money, done.
Taranto or Kelly is the other via a trade.
No idea on the vic

 

[Masqualero]

Would love Grundy, but cannot see why he would leave Collingwood to come to Carlton..

And if anyone posts the old chestnut "but he barracked for Carlton as a kid", I'll ******* dead set spew.

Noosa didn't work so maybe we just go further, Phi Phi perhaps?

 

[jooce8891]

Whatever we do at seasons end, i don't want to be overpaying pick and $$$ wise. There are so many good players either FA or OOC that would be great additions to our team.

Caddy, Nank and Prestia transformed the Tigers and they overpaid for none.

That rules out Kelly for me and would much rather see us go after Bonner, Ellis, Gresham, R.Grey, Neale-Bullen, Bolton or Blakely

to get him, you will need to do exactly what you said you dont want to do.

 

[bluemahogany]

You wouldn't believe it but Gresham is a Carlton supporter

 

[Blue__Balls]

You wouldn't believe it but Gresham is a Carlton supporter

 

[ferrisb]

You wouldn't believe it but Gresham is a Carlton supporter

Right, so scratch him off the list then...

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Keeping in mind Taranto is contracted through to the end of 2020, I don't think he'll be available, nor do I think a mid first + change would be enough if he was.

Billings or Gresham - either/or scenario. I think St Kilda would be more intent on keeping Gresham, and while he has a lower ceiling than Billings I think he has a better chance of performing consistently at a good level. Billings is a poor season away from getting turfed for a second rounder, but if he gets a tailwind this year he could easily shoot up in value to essentially "untouchable" status at the Saints. A lot depends on St Kilda's season for these two - a good year probably sees them stick it out, but if the team struggles and another senior player or two start to test the market, I suspect the younger guys become more gettable.

Agree if we don’t get a top 5 pick from Adelaide, Taranto will cost two first rounders.

I think Gresham’s ceiling is higher overall due to his work rate, nimbleness and his midfield exposure to this point his been positive. Billings will be going into his 7th year next year, and although he’s still got another gear to get to, I’m predicting he will always be a flashy but largely inconsistent forward-flanker who will win a couple of games of his own boot a season, bob up in some important moments during a game but will ultimately be unfulfilled potential. I’d liken him to Brad Green at his very best - a good player with a shitload of skill and natural talent, but a little flaky and overawed. My gut feel is a new environment would really help him, which is why I think he’ll be considered.

Gresham I can see being a star with a few more years in the system, and he seems pretty dyed-in-the-wool.

It’s Billings 6th next year and it was only last year (his fourth) he averaged something like 23 touches and had 60 shots on goal. I think he is a huge talent.

 

[DangerousD]

to get him, you will need to do exactly what you said you dont want to do.

I don't think so, i think he will cost a 1st round pick for sure and decent coin but i was more referring to trades for players like Kelly, who i think will require 2 first rounders with nothing coming back and a wage over $1M.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Agree if we don’t get a top 5 pick from Adelaide, Taranto will cost two first rounders.

It’s Billings 6th next year and it was only last year (his fourth) he averaged something like 23 touches and had 60 shots on goal. I think he is a huge talent.

I rate Billings, didn't have a good 2018, but has a heap of talent. 2019 will largely determine his market value if he decides to move on.

If Cows finish say between 6 and 10, is he worth a first round pick at 8 to 12?

 

[DangerousD]

Has anyone seen much of Riley O'Brien from the Crows, he's highly rated and is being groomed to replace Sauce.

Could he be tempted across for more opportunity?

 

[ParapMarkets]

Coniglio is a gun, would be a great get, but would cost a bomb. Recruiting the likes of Stocker, Setterfield, Dow, Fisher, SPS, all guys that can win their own ball, starts to diminish the importance for the need of a player like Coniglio. Mind you, none are at his level as yet.

I would rather target players that we have limited types, such as a Cunningham from the Swans. Yes, we do have similar players to Tomlinson (disagree that he has reached his peak), yet none have shown his consistency, nor his flexibility, perhaps apart from a McGovern

I understand that most people are always going to reach for the fruit at the top of the tree, Kelly, Coniglio, but that doesn't mean the lower branches won't yield a decent haul, with players such as Tomlinson, Ellis, Cunningham, all that would still be comfortably best 22 in our side and perhaps more cost effective

I think Grundy would cost as much as Coniglio and Kelly, he would be one of the most unattainable players in the comp imo. I’m not sure we should be going hard at Kelly tbh, North will probably offer him $1.4 million a year. Coniglio seems a no-brainer to me, especially as a free agent. Mind you GWS just relieved themselves of about $2.5 million salary for next year and if they were to lose Kelly, they will be doing everything they can to keep Coniglio, I see a trade being needed to get him if indeed he goes anywhere.

I would love Gresham, his numbers for a 3 year player playing as a small forward are outstanding. He is the Saints best young player imo, so they will demand a lot in a trade. If we finish bottom 4 then I don’t see any player mentioned in this post as any chance for us and maybe targets like Cunningham are more realistic.

 

[Cripptonite]

If I was SOS:

FA go hard at Coniglio ($1.1m for 5) and Haynes ($650k for 5)

Trade: Plan A) Kelly ($1.2m for 6) offer 2 Firsts
Plan B) Taranto/Gresham offer Adelaide's First only

 

[Eiffel 65]

If I was SOS:

FA go hard at Coniglio ($1.1m for 5) and Haynes ($650k for 5)

Trade: Plan A) Kelly ($1.2m for 6) offer 2 Firsts
Plan B) Taranto/Gresham offer Adelaide's First only

We don't need Coniglio or Kelly. We have Walsh, O'brien, Fisher and SPS playing similar roles.

We do need a genuine half forward/small forward. A Gresham type would be ideal.

Could potentially look at Caleb Serong in the 2019 draft.

 

[Soapy V]

Cognilio would be a good addition but I don't like over paying for anyone.

It's the deals like Setterfield or Kennedy or Newman that can be just as valuable.

 

[Cripptonite]

We don't need Coniglio or Kelly. We have Walsh, O'brien, Fisher and SPS playing similar roles.

We do need a genuine half forward/small forward. A Gresham type would be ideal.

Could potentially look at Caleb Serong in the 2019 draft.

As much as I have high hopes for those you mentioned, I don’t think they are on the same level. Maybe one or two might get there but the likelihood of all 4 becoming guns is not great. It would be like saying 10 years ago, why do we need Judd when we have Murphy Gibbs bentick and carrazzo.

A Gresham type would be great I agree but imo games are won and lost in midfield. We just passed up the opportunity to draft Rankine who imo will be much better than Gresham or any other small forward of this generation (and I rate Gresham highly).

 

[Cripptonite]

Whatever we do at seasons end, i don't want to be overpaying pick and $$$ wise. There are so many good players either FA or OOC that would be great additions to our team.

Caddy, Nank and Prestia transformed the Tigers and they overpaid for none.

That rules out Kelly for me and would much rather see us go after Bonner, Ellis, Gresham, R.Grey, Neale-Bullen, Bolton or Blakely

The tigers definitely overpaid for prestia. Outbid many rival suitors $wise and then gave up pick 6 for him. Not that they would care now as he helped them win a flag. Similar to a Tom Boyd situation.

Gresham and gray would also cost us the world unfortunately. They are very important to their respective teams and they would want more than a first rounder.

The logic behind your post is sound however.