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Because it started when he decided to publicly shame a 13 year old girl. Yes, what she said was racist (calling him an ape) but at that age it's highly likely that the girl has been influenced by her parents or friends. She wouldn't hold that view herself from her life experiences, because she hasn't had any. What Goodes did in saying "Racism has a face. It's a 13 year old girl" was completely irresponsible from a grown man like him IMO. People, myself included, took issue with him heaping that kind of pressure on a young girl rather than her parents or the community in general. Children that age act that way because they have got it from somewhere - and that somewhere is what needed to be addressed - not the girl herself.

So naturally people were pissed off at the way he handled the situation and booed him for it - not because they also thought he was an ape, but because he handled the situation poorly. He then attributed THAT booing again to racism, which is so far from the reality of the situation it's not even funny. I was glad to see him retire, he unneccessarily over politicised the game at the time and his view on the situation couldn't have been anymore off the mark. Yes, we should stamp out racism but that's a pretty poor way to go about doing it. For a grown man who has most likely & unfortunately taken abuse like this in the past, he decided to shine a light on his situation by singling out a child in the process.
i gotta disagree strongly with that sorry George....
by not pointing it out all it does is create a get out clause for racisim ... at what point does a person become old enough to be held accountable for their actions ? 15, 18, 21 ?? honestly the way goodes made his stand while bringing shame to the young girl it also opend up a discussion about how behaviours of parents gets passed down to the kids... the girl in question was looked after and was provided education and support after being called out..
while not ideal that a young girl was put in the public eye i think unless you have been on the recieving end of racial abuse you cant really understand the emotions that flow from it ... im 100% sure Goodes wishes he was never racially villifyed by the girl... but he was... so he had the choice to either a do nothing and in the mind of the girl her coments are acceptable and she grows up thinking thats acceptable or he points it out and cops the critisim of pointing it out...
the follow up booing was mostly racial motivated.. people tryed to excuse it cause he was a dirty player or he was a flog or they just dont like him or as you said he made an example of young girl but for a vast percentage of people booing him it was because he turned a mirror on a behaviour that they felt uncomfortable facing... it put goodes in an unfortunate position because while his community needed him to stay strong on the matter it was causing a divide so while the hopes to push closer to an end of racism it actually put the cause back a few steps ..

to end racism there needs to be a feeling that we are all the same with the goodes thing it gave the power back to the racist to drive a wedge between us all and from my recent footy going experiance the crowd behaviour since the goodes issue has brought the game closer to the era where Nicky made his stand then the era after where we let footballers just be footballers ...
 

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He knew exactly what he was doing. He blerted out the headline grab, which was played on all major TV networks, then played the conciliatory victim.

Goodes was looking for a political career and tried to politicize the game of football.

His spear throwing routine was an act of overt violence to incite the crowd.

I have no time for Goodes and his enablers.
Glad he retired.
I posted the transcript of the interview - yet you choose not to accept what Goodes actually said and you actually seem to take delight in being easily manipulated by the media.

Each to their own I suppose.
 

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If it was purely racism why aren't the other 70 + indigenous players booed for their race?
thats quite easy to answer ... because of the 70 other indig players he was the one to stand out front and point it out...
im reminded of the comments of a black comedian (his name escapes me) but he summed up the passive racisim perfectly in the world we live in (ill use the words he used) "white people accept the N***er now days, they love the N***er provided the N***er is a quiet N***er... they dont like no N***er who makes them think, they dont like no N***er who asks for more ... a N***er who wants to be white thats the shit none of this proud N***er bullshit they dont want that....."
 

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He knew exactly what he was doing. He blerted out the headline grab, which was played on all major TV networks, then played the conciliatory victim.

Goodes was looking for a political career and tried to politicize the game of football.

His spear throwing routine was an act of overt violence to incite the crowd.

I have no time for Goodes and his enablers.
Glad he retired.
i reckon 100% Goodes just wanted to play footy ....
i would 100% say Goodes would have much rathered the young girl cheered for her team rather than racially villify him
i would 100% say Goodes would rather he could have played his entire career without the need to have to stand up and point out racism
you say he wanted to politicise the game i say all he wanted to do was play footy without being called a lesser human..
as for his spear dance i seriously question anyone on why that was so offensive to them ... it was a dance shown to goodes and many other of the indig guys in the comp by the indig kids in the lead up to the game for the indig round, Goodes said he would do the dance for them if he got a chance to do so after a goal ... no one had issue with Jetta doing it in the WCE game , no-one had issue with the indig boys doing it in the pre-game but Goodes does it and its a huge issue ...
 
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i gotta disagree strongly with that sorry George....
by not pointing it out all it does is create a get out clause for racisim ... at what point does a person become old enough to be held accountable for their actions ? 15, 18, 21 ?? honestly the way goodes made his stand while bringing shame to the young girl it also opend up a discussion about how behaviours of parents gets passed down to the kids... the girl in question was looked after and was provided education and support after being called out..
while not ideal that a young girl was put in the public eye i think unless you have been on the recieving end of racial abuse you cant really understand the emotions that flow from it ... im 100% sure Goodes wishes he was never racially villifyed by the girl... but he was... so he had the choice to either a do nothing and in the mind of the girl her coments are acceptable and she grows up thinking thats acceptable or he points it out and cops the critisim of pointing it out...
the follow up booing was mostly racial motivated.. people tryed to excuse it cause he was a dirty player or he was a flog or they just dont like him or as you said he made an example of young girl but for a vast percentage of people booing him it was because he turned a mirror on a behaviour that they felt uncomfortable facing... it put goodes in an unfortunate position because while his community needed him to stay strong on the matter it was causing a divide so while the hopes to push closer to an end of racism it actually put the cause back a few steps ..

to end racism there needs to be a feeling that we are all the same with the goodes thing it gave the power back to the racist to drive a wedge between us all and from my recent footy going experiance the crowd behaviour since the goodes issue has brought the game closer to the era where Nicky made his stand then the era after where we let footballers just be footballers ...

I remember Collingwood's president McAlister I think it was, said the same things about Winmar. Shouldn't have politicised footy, he's the racist not us, blah blah. If you don't make a stand and let it continue apparently you are more of a representative of your people because you know your place. People just don't like the spotlight put on their actions. I can remember in the NSL in the 90s fans used to make monkey noises when their own player of African decent touched the ball and laugh. If someone hadn't politicised it it would have gone on. Where do you draw the line at what should just be let go?
 

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it put goodes in an unfortunate position because while his community needed him to stay strong on the matter it was causing a divide so while the hopes to push closer to an end of racism it actually put the cause back a few steps ..
Right, that's a really good point. And that's exactly the problem with the Folau/Ablett thing as well. I reckon a bunch of good Christians who like Folau because he's a good Christian, and aren't especially homophobic, are now feeling massively persecuted.

Some might say "that's fine, they shouldn't be homophobic if they don't want to feel that way." Sure. The only question should be: what result does it get? Are they now more or less likely to be anti-liberal and anti-gay? Clearly they're more likely. Especially kids and less worldly people.

So now I reckon the well-intentioned action to punish Folau for his beliefs has actually created more homophobia.

But people lose sight of that because they like getting outraged.
 
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I remember Collingwood's president McAlister I think it was, said the same things about Winmar. Shouldn't have politicised footy, he's the racist not us, blah blah. If you don't make a stand and let it continue apparently you are more of a representative of your people because you know your place. People just don't like the spotlight put on their actions. I can remember in the NSL in the 90s fans used to make monkey noises when their own player of African decent touched the ball and laugh. If someone hadn't politicised it it would have gone on. Where do you draw the line at what should just be let go?
If I do not stand with him, who will stand with me?
 

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I posted the transcript of the interview - yet you choose not to accept what Goodes actually said and you actually seem to take delight in being easily manipulated by the media.

Each to their own I suppose.
Projection....

I dislike this term immensely because the right use it for every progressive issue, but virtue signalling was never more apt than in the Goodes issue.

I defer to Stan Grant, an indigenous guy who said whether the booing was racist or not, it turned into bullying. This is where I draw a line. He was being bullied.

I wouldnt boo Goodes over his skin colour, I disliked his attack on a child for his own political gain. What she said could be construed as racist, black people have had monkey calls and been judged as sub human. I dont believe she knew what she was saying.

But Goodes did. Did we hear Nicky self aggrandise after the picture, which invidentally did more for getting racism visible and out of the game more than anything Goodes did.

Was Nicky booed? Was Michael Long booed after his walk to Canberra for Aboriginal rights?
What about Wirrapunda, was he booed for furthering the cause of his people?

But of course we have the Francis Leaches of the world inferring all these fine indegineous men and all the other indegineous players weren,'t booed because they were the 'right type of aboriginal'.
This is a hideous racial slur. It infers that all these footballers are Uncle Tom's and acted in a manner acceptable to whites.

What crap and what astounding hypocricy from the media.

Adam Goodes was a wonderful footballer, a duel Brownlow medallist, and premiership player. He was indigenous and would have lived with racism his whole life.

In this instance, he used the game of football and his aboriginality for political ends.
When the crowd showed their displeasure at using a game bigger than him for his own ends, he and his enablers in the media , in an act of breathtaking low brow simplicity and virtue signalling yelled 'racist' and anybody with and alternate view.

I see it is still going with your patronising and condecending quoted post.

BTW I would only ever boo Goodes because the bastard will kill us almost every time we played.
 
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Yes, we should stamp out racism but that's a pretty poor way to go about doing it.
A guy calls out racism.

Our response: Racism is bad BUT that's a pretty poor way to go about calling it out.

What our response should be: RACISM IS BAD!

In the words of Jon Snow (from Game of Thrones): everything before the word but is horseshit.

I will always be reluctant to criticise someone for how they react when they experience something that vile. I will never know what it is like to experience that and for me to criticise someone for their response seems to be the ultimate example of entitlement/privilege.

P.S. if i did need to elaborate on what our response should be it would be this: How incredibly sad is it that a 13 year old girl has somehow picked up that that is an acceptable thing to say. What example are her parents or those around her setting? Where did she pick this up from? It is just a poor reflection on our society. (and yes, i fully acknowledge that she didn't know what the words she said meant - but that does not mean that Goodes wouldn't have felt the pain of them)
 

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Right, that's a really good point. And that's exactly the problem with the Folau/Ablett thing as well. I reckon a bunch of good Christians who like Folau because he's a good Christian, and aren't especially homophobic, are now feeling massively persecuted.

Some might say "that's fine, they shouldn't be homophobic if they don't want to feel that way." Sure. The only question should be: what result does it get? Are they now more or less likely to be anti-liberal and anti-gay? Clearly they're more likely. Especially kids and less worldly people.

So now I reckon the well-intentioned action to punish Folau for his beliefs has actually created more homophobia.

But people lose sight of that because they like getting outraged.
i always feel education is better than punishment ...i very very strongly disagree with Folaus point of view but he is entitled however wrong it may be to have those views .. the grand Mufti to Australia strangly put it really well when asked about homosexuals .. his stance was he doesnt agree with it, his religion doesnt agree with it but the australian laws say its legal so therefore they will respect that ... for Izzy i think punishing him for his veiw really helps prove the religious parts of society that were using the fear of losing their religious freedoms under the implementation of the same sex marrige bill right ... the old vote No sector will be pointing to this and saying "see i told you "
 

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Projection....

I dislike this term immensely because the right use it for every progressive issue, but virtue signalling was never more apt than in the Goodes issue.

I defer to Stan Grant, an indigenous guy who said whether the booing was racist or not, it turned into bullying. This is where I draw a line. He was being bullied.

I wouldnt boo Goodes over his skin colour, I disliked his attack on a child for his own political gain. What she said could be construed as racist, black people have had monkey calls and been judged as sub human. I dont believe she knew what she was saying.

But Goodes did. Did we hear Nicky self aggrandise after the picture, which invidentally did more for getting racism visible and out of the game more than anything Goodes did.

Was Nicky booed? Was Michael Long booed after his walk to Canberra for Aboriginal rights?
What about Wirrapunda, was he booed for furthering the cause of his people?

But of course we have the Francis Leaches of the world inferring all these fine indegineous men and all the other indegineous players weren,'t booed because they were the 'right type of aboriginal'.
This is a hideous racial slur. It infers that all these footballers are Uncle Tom's and acted in a manner acceptable to whites.

What crap and what astounding hypocricy from the media.

Adam Goodes was a wonderful footballer, a duel Brownlow medallist, and premiership player. He was indigenous and would have lived with racism his whole life.

In this instance, he used the game of football and his aboriginality for political ends.
When the crowd showed their displeasure at using a game bigger than him for his own ends, he and his enablers in the media , in an act of breathtaking low brow simplicity and virtue signalling yelled 'racist' and anybody with and alternate view.

I see it is still going with your patronising and condecending quoted post.

BTW I would only ever boo Goodes because the bastard will kill us almost every time we played.
to be fair after Nicky made his stand the whirl wind of that and other issues mostly around his then manager who saw the opportunity to turn his stand into a big money spinner changed the feeling around nicky considerably ..
with Goodes it was a weight of a number of instances where he was suddenly seen as a trouble maker for standing up against being taunted ... he didnt choose the moment the moment chose him to make the stand against the girl ... the crowd boo'd him cause he stood up and made them think about what was being accepted as ok to them .. change is almost always met with resistance the fact Goodes was already outspoken about his people fuled the fires...
im not for one second saying all that boo'd Goodes are racist but i think many dont understand why they were booing him in the first place mob mentality drove it and once Goodes made mention of it then it got worse ....
honestly its a pretty sad time in our sport that a guy who stood up against racisim was then targeted by the fans of the game to the point he walked away rom the game .... what ever the context of why he was boo'd fanns of our sport pushed a great of our game out of the game ... thats really quite sad
 

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Projection....

I dislike this term immensely because the right use it for every progressive issue, but virtue signalling was never more apt than in the Goodes issue.

I defer to Stan Grant, an indigenous guy who said whether the booing was racist or not, it turned into bullying. This is where I draw a line. He was being bullied.

I wouldnt boo Goodes over his skin colour, I disliked his attack on a child for his own political gain. What she said could be construed as racist, black people have had monkey calls and been judged as sub human. I dont believe she knew what she was saying.

But Goodes did. Did we hear Nicky self aggrandise after the picture, which invidentally did more for getting racism visible and out of the game more than anything Goodes did.

Was Nicky booed? Was Michael Long booed after his walk to Canberra for Aboriginal rights?
What about Wirrapunda, was he booed for furthering the cause of his people?

But of course we have the Francis Leaches of the world inferring all these fine indegineous men and all the other indegineous players weren,'t booed because they were the 'right type of aboriginal'.
This is a hideous racial slur. It infers that all these footballers are Uncle Tom's and acted in a manner acceptable to whites.

What crap and what astounding hypocricy from the media.

Adam Goodes was a wonderful footballer, a duel Brownlow medallist, and premiership player. He was indigenous and would have lived with racism his whole life.

In this instance, he used the game of football and his aboriginality for political ends.
When the crowd showed their displeasure at using a game bigger than him for his own ends, he and his enablers in the media , in an act of breathtaking low brow simplicity and virtue signalling yelled 'racist' and anybody with and alternate view.

I see it is still going with your patronising and condecending quoted post.

BTW I would only ever boo Goodes because the bastard will kill us almost every time we played.
What is inherently wrong with using sports as a political platform? People say to keep politics out of sports, but that's bullshit, they're intrinsically linked. What was Winmar's act if not political? Look at Jesse Owens, Muhammad Ali, the black power salute at the 1968 Olympics.

It's already been pointed out that Goodes didn't blame the girl and was trying to use it as a springboard to discuss a more broad cultural issue, so it seems obtuse to keep insisting that all he was doing was bullying a child.
 

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A guy calls out racism.

Our response: Racism is bad BUT that's a pretty poor way to go about calling it out.

What our response should be: RACISM IS BAD!

In the words of Jon Snow (from Game of Thrones): everything before the word but is horseshit.

I will always be reluctant to criticise someone for how they react when they experience something that vile. I will never know what it is like to experience that and for me to criticise someone for their response seems to be the ultimate example of entitlement/privilege.

P.S. if i did need to elaborate on what our response should be it would be this: How incredibly sad is it that a 13 year old girl has somehow picked up that that is an acceptable thing to say. What example are her parents or those around her setting? Where did she pick this up from? It is just a poor reflection on our society. (and yes, i fully acknowledge that she didn't know what the words she said meant - but that does not mean that Goodes wouldn't have felt the pain of them)
that last line ... i think the fact it was coming from a young girl made it hurt more.... racisim is wrong we know that but there is a sort of expectation that some older less educated would find it hard to let go of the old way of things so while not acceptable its understandable when something poor comes from their mouths but when the future come out spraying that kind of thing thats really the hurtful part as thats another generation thinking its acceptable ... she didnt know what it meant but if not pointed out to her its unacceptable it become acceptable in her mind ...
i know when i was racially vilified in my sport as a youngster when it came from crusty old dudes i could brush it off with "well soon you will be dead and your racism dies with you" but when it came from one of my opponents or teammates thats when it cut deep
 
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i reckon 100% Goodes just wanted to play footy ....
i would 100% say Goodes would have much rathered the young girl cheered for her team rather than racially villify him
i would 100% say Goodes would rather he could have played his entire career without the need to have to stand up and point out racism
you say he wanted to politicise the game i say all he wanted to do was play footy without being called a lesser human..
as for his spear dance i seriously question anyone on why that was so offensive to them ... it was a dance shown to goodes and many other of the indig guys in the comp by the indig kids in the lead up to the game for the indig round, Goodes said he would do the dance for them if he got a chance to do so after a goal ... no one had issue with Jetta doing it in the WCE game , no-one had issue with the indig boys doing it in the pre-game but Goodes does it and its a huge issue ...
I would like to know how much correlation there is between people who found that gesture offensive/irritating e.t.c and other particular attitudes toward things like the timing of Australia day, government financial benefits to people of indigenous heritage, lack of education in Australian schools regarding land theft and slaughters that took place e.t.c. Of course, I'd expect there to be strong correlation, but I wonder how strong, and how many outliers there are (ie people who found it offensive, but are generally supportive of the indigenous people in other ways - not including football).

Anyway, I just think that would be interesting. I had no negative reaction whatsoever to the gesture, but I wonder if that was influenced by my attitudes in general or if I just saw the gesture differently.

I felt Adam could have handled the aftermath a little better, but he's a human and we can't all be Martin Luther King Juniors.
 

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What is inherently wrong with using sports as a political platform? People say to keep politics out of sports, but that's bullshit, they're intrinsically linked. What was Winmar's act if not political? Look at Jesse Owens, Muhammad Ali, the black power salute at the 1968 Olympics.

It's already been pointed out that Goodes didn't blame the girl and was trying to use it as a springboard to discuss a more broad cultural issue, so it seems obtuse to keep insisting that all he was doing was bullying a child.
Obviously can't read past the first sentence.
 

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to be fair after Nicky made his stand the whirl wind of that and other issues mostly around his then manager who saw the opportunity to turn his stand into a big money spinner changed the feeling around nicky considerably ..
with Goodes it was a weight of a number of instances where he was suddenly seen as a trouble maker for standing up against being taunted ... he didnt choose the moment the moment chose him to make the stand against the girl ... the crowd boo'd him cause he stood up and made them think about what was being accepted as ok to them .. change is almost always met with resistance the fact Goodes was already outspoken about his people fuled the fires...
im not for one second saying all that boo'd Goodes are racist but i think many dont understand why they were booing him in the first place mob mentality drove it and once Goodes made mention of it then it got worse ....
honestly its a pretty sad time in our sport that a guy who stood up against racisim was then targeted by the fans of the game to the point he walked away rom the game .... what ever the context of why he was boo'd fanns of our sport pushed a great of our game out of the game ... thats really quite sad
See this is where the simple argument of racism breaks down.

Michael Long racially abused makes a stand
Sean Charles racially abused makes a stand
Nicky Winmar racially abused
Majak Daw
Eddie Betts, and probably many more I cant remember.

All made strong stands against racism.

None of them got booed for it.

Why Goodes? Why suddenly everyone is racist towards one guy with more pigment in his skin?

This is where the argument breaks down.

Was there an element of mob mentality racism? Of course, that was a part?

Was there resentment that Goodes would go in with the knees and not get sanctioned when others would? Or make threatening gestures to a crown and no sanctions when others would and still do?

Goodes thought his vehicle to promote himself was with our game. He thought he was bigger than it. When he got whacked his enablers thoughtlessly screamed racist at anyone booing Goodes.

The only good thing he did was selfishly play an extra year so we got Membrey. For that I am grateful to him.
 

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Don't forget that the way Goodes played was highly frowned upon. His sliding in action to get to the ball has led to one of the worst rules in the AFL; the contact below the knees rule that punishes players for going after the ball. He was doing that constantly at the time he was getting booed, but it was overlooked by the media, particularly journalists that were reporting it as purely a social issue ignoring the sporting context.
 

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What is inherently wrong with using sports as a political platform? People say to keep politics out of sports, but that's bullshit, they're intrinsically linked.
That's a dangerous path to go on to encourage sports to become political. Every example you used then pertains to racial discrimination. What about other hot political topics? Should sporting authorities, individuals and institutions become vocal on things like immigration, the economy and terrorism? Maybe you are just advocating sports for social issues, but isn't immigration a social issue? Does a sporting club have the responsibility or impetus to comment on such issues? I would disagree, because while a sporting club can do positive work for their community, they are a business dedicated to on-field success rather than political lobbying. There are enough lobbying groups from both sides of the political spectrum that it is unnecessary for sports to be included.
 

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The other thing I will add is politicising everything is what is happening in the United States, where most issues are viewed through a racial or political lens, causing the nation to become increasingly divided. Sport is brilliant because it can unite a community of many different backgrounds behind a team. Getting rid of that would be a tragedy in my opinion.
 
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i always feel education is better than punishment ...i very very strongly disagree with Folaus point of view but he is entitled however wrong it may be to have those views .. the grand Mufti to Australia strangly put it really well when asked about homosexuals .. his stance was he doesnt agree with it, his religion doesnt agree with it but the australian laws say its legal so therefore they will respect that ... for Izzy i think punishing him for his veiw really helps prove the religious parts of society that were using the fear of losing their religious freedoms under the implementation of the same sex marrige bill right ... the old vote No sector will be pointing to this and saying "see i told you "

He was actually never punished for the view, he broke policy surrounding a players code of conduct for social media. I agree, you can't stop someone having their religious views unless they break the law (which hate speech can be), you can expect them to keep their views out of public forums where they could alienate people who follow the game that pays him to play.
 

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I remember Collingwood's president McAlister I think it was, said the same things about Winmar. Shouldn't have politicised footy, he's the racist not us, blah blah. If you don't make a stand and let it continue apparently you are more of a representative of your people because you know your place. People just don't like the spotlight put on their actions. I can remember in the NSL in the 90s fans used

gringo.....what a blast from the past that name is.

Alan McAlister...…….was continually getting himself into trouble with his outrageous comments.

He sort of mirrored his team Collingwood at the time....just not quite getting it all right.

I'll never forget one of his more outrageous comments when he yet again was embroiled in a controversy…."I have nothing against black fellas as long as they behave like white fellas"

Or words to that effect.
 

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I would like to know how much correlation there is between people who found that gesture offensive/irritating e.t.c and other particular attitudes toward things like the timing of Australia day, government financial benefits to people of indigenous heritage, lack of education in Australian schools regarding land theft and slaughters that took place e.t.c. Of course, I'd expect there to be strong correlation, but I wonder how strong, and how many outliers there are (ie people who found it offensive, but are generally supportive of the indigenous people in other ways - not including football).

Anyway, I just think that would be interesting. I had no negative reaction whatsoever to the gesture, but I wonder if that was influenced by my attitudes in general or if I just saw the gesture differently.

I felt Adam could have handled the aftermath a little better, but he's a human and we can't all be Martin Luther King Juniors.
its a fair point made... really racism isnt a left vs right side of politics debate but from the only real source of referance at the time of the goodes issue being Facebook it seemed to me that not many Green voters were against Goodes .. but your link to being pro-australia day or pro change the date is an interesting link ...
 

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Because it started when he decided to publicly shame a 13 year old girl. Yes, what she said was racist (calling him an ape) but at that age it's highly likely that the girl has been influenced by her parents or friends. She wouldn't hold that view herself from her life experiences, because she hasn't had any. What Goodes did in saying "Racism has a face. It's a 13 year old girl" was completely irresponsible from a grown man like him IMO. People, myself included, took issue with him heaping that kind of pressure on a young girl rather than her parents or the community in general. Children that age act that way because they have got it from somewhere - and that somewhere is what needed to be addressed - not the girl herself.

So naturally people were pissed off at the way he handled the situation and booed him for it - not because they also thought he was an ape, but because he handled the situation poorly. He then attributed THAT booing again to racism, which is so far from the reality of the situation it's not even funny. I was glad to see him retire, he unneccessarily over politicised the game at the time and his view on the situation couldn't have been anymore off the mark. Yes, we should stamp out racism but that's a pretty poor way to go about doing it. For a grown man who has most likely & unfortunately taken abuse like this in the past, he decided to shine a light on his situation by singling out a child in the process.
it was in the moment. i don't think he realised she was 13, until after he had already pointed the finger and made a stand. then he went off the ground realising what had happened. his comments after that did not attack her, he seemed to be very sympathetic to her age and situation. almost remorseful but also addressed racism within the community.

but let's suppose that's the issue here. is his reaction during the game to the racism that was inflicted on him, justification for booing him out of the game? to the point people were "glad to see him retire". is that really apt punishment for a perceived crime of how he reacted to racism?

as for this part "He then attributed THAT booing again to racism, which is so far from the reality of the situation it's not even funny" i'm sorry but that's 100% wrong based on my own personal experience sitting in that wce crowd that boo'd him and the general discussion over here. everything from monkey to ape to boong to abo. there's a section of that crowd that were racist. another section did not like it because he was very abrupt in highlighting how bad stuff is within indigenous communities. they do not like hearing it and in some strange way feel attacked by it, despite the fact they are in a much better position and are not experience the things he was trying to highlight.

i don't agree with his tact in highlighting those issues but i also hate the way people treated what was a champion of our game given the perceived wrongs he committed.

i mean for crying out loud, you can break a kids jaw on the footy field and cop it less. hell lets go further, you can sexually assault women and cop it less.

but god forbid you choose to abrasively highlight the plight of the indigenous people. nah that one means you have to leave the game.
 

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If it was purely racism why aren't the other 70 + indigenous players booed for their race?

He politicised football, he tried to incite the crowd, and then played victim.

Goodes was a wanker.

Ablett is a bigot and obvious homophobe.

We have a pride match and he shit on it under the guise of his 'faith'.

I just saw what 'faith' did in Sri Lanka
because a lot of people do not care as long as you are quiet and "in your place". they are fine with indigenous players as long as they play the game, stay happy, stay quiet. but as soon as someone tries to confront them with the harsh reality of what is occurring in the community, as soon as they're out spoken, they have an issue with it.

as i said to george, why is it he was treated with such furious opposition through a sense of dealing him justice for his stance, yet other players who have committed much worse acts, barely attract any attention at all. some are even defended by AFLHQ and their respective clubs.

your words on gazza are perfect. its exactly what he is. the AFL defending him is pathetic. all from an ex cats employee.
 
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