List Mgmt. 2019 List Changes, Contract Status, Draft Picks Etc

[loki04]

I'm certainly not convinced. I'd say it's more about who is interested rather than anything else and that seems to be basketballers.

Lol well I don't know what to tell you, believe what you want to I guess.
This has been said in numerous interviews with roos and others involved.

 

[loki04]

Maybe Tigers have Rance, Dusty, Lynch, Prestia, Riewoldt & Cotchin as Rookies, don’t know how the fu** they aren’t over the Salary cap


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Vlaustin Caddy Grimes Edwards wouldn't be on cheap deals either. At least mid teir contracts.

 

[jackcass]

Lol well I don't know what to tell you, believe what you want to I guess.
This has been said in numerous interviews with roos and others involved.

As I say, I think it's about who turns up and it appears that there's definitely not a 200cm rule...

Decathlete stands out at USA combine

David Grzesiak shows great speed and stamina at the US combine

www.afl.com.au

 

[jackcass]

Clubs are targeting talls. I think they've got it wrong. To me target running backs - easier skills to transfer because its a skill in a heap of invasion sports. Ruck takes ages to learn which is why so many peak so late and kpp rely on reading the ball flight of an oval ball which also isn't a skill that's transferable from other sports. Plus i suspect that they don't practice it enough.

As I say, I think it's more about who turns up. They're targeting college basketballers, soccer players and footballers who don't get a contract into the elite systems either in the US or overseas. It may well be that they tend to be taller athletes but I doubt they'd knock someone who is less than 190cm back from going through the testing. I'm sure as the USAFL leagues evolve and start to infiltrate the college systems we'll see a greater diversity. There is/was a woman over here from the US trialing for the AFLW so the interest will continue to build. They didn't even do a combine in 2018 and I'm not sure whether there was/is 1 this year.

 

[loki04]

As I say, I think it's about who turns up and it appears that there's definitely not a 200cm rule...

Decathlete stands out at USA combine

David Grzesiak shows great speed and stamina at the US combine

www.afl.com.au

Tell me how many of the sub 198cm players were taken?


They had spoken many times over the years about targeting ruck height players and all those who got invited and have been eventually picked were of ruck height.

There were various interviews stating that recruiters/clubs felt learning ruck was easier Sheehan had gone over this a few times on tac stars and Paul Roos when he was involved also stated it.
I don't even know why you are debating this, it's been discussed many times in various threads on BF over the years.

There is nothing stopping shorter people from trying out off their own bat but US organisers/recruiters aren't inviting them and nor are they taking any of them despite superior athletic profiles.
So unless you are being stickler for wording they essentially have a 2m rule. They aren't showing any interest on sub 198 types no matter what athletic gifts they possessed.

Here read this by Tony woods.

The AFL's international development manager Tony Woods said the League had its eye on a specific type of athlete who could move into the AFL game.

"We are deliberately targeting taller, elite athletes who play as centres or power forwards in basketball. We feel these athletes have the best chance to transition into our game," Woods said.
https://m.afl.com.au/news/2013-04-15/emulating-eric

 

[loki04]

As I say, I think it's more about who turns up. They're targeting college basketballers, soccer players and footballers who don't get a contract into the elite systems either in the US or overseas. It may well be that they tend to be taller athletes but I doubt they'd knock someone who is less than 190cm back from going through the testing. I'm sure as the USAFL leagues evolve and start to infiltrate the college systems we'll see a greater diversity. There is/was a woman over here from the US trialing for the AFLW so the interest will continue to build. They didn't even do a combine in 2018 and I'm not sure whether there was/is 1 this year.

You don't get it do you?
I never said they stop people from testing.
I said they aren't genuinely looking at them or intending to take them.
They also send invites out to various athletes like Cox. He was invited to attend all the invited ones are essentially 2m plus or close to it.

You link an article showing 194cm types testing better then many top 1% of draftees yet none got a look in, why?
Because they want them ruck sized.

In Ireland those same players 194-195cm with elite sprint agility and leaps would be fought over by clubs...

 

[jackcass]

Yes.

Because they are narrowed in on height atm, also we and others have filled it often.

When you eliminate 95% of the population 5hrough putting a 2m plus height requirement you are going to struggle to find suitable (non aussie) athletes.

To them. Has been numerous articles on the screenings over there and specifically looking for ruck sized people. Under 6'8 don't even get invited.

You don't get it do you?
I never said they stop people from testing.
I said they aren't genuinely looking at them or intending to take them.
They also send invites out to various athletes like Cox. He was invited to attend all the invited ones are essentially 2m plus or close to it.

You link an article showing 194cm types testing better then many top 1% of draftees yet none got a look in, why?
Because they want them ruck sized.

In Ireland those same players 194-195cm with elite sprint agility and leaps would be fought over by clubs...

I'm not questioning their preferences, just your assertion that there's a 2m height requirement and anyone under that simply doesn't get invited. It's clearly wrong as demonstrated by the article I quoted. As I say, they'll invite anyone they think can transition, regardless of height.

You link an article showing 194cm types testing better then many top 1% of draftees yet none got a look in, why?
Because they want them ruck sized.

In Ireland those same players 194-195cm with elite sprint agility and leaps would be fought over by clubs...

I'd say that's more about the fact they'd be competing against a much greater pool of locally based players when you add KPP to the comparisons. We have local kids in that cohort who get overlooked. It will happen, just those tested thus far haven't been deemed good enough.

 

[TradeDraft]

Be Reid and Varcoe

 

[loki04]

I'm not questioning their preferences, just your assertion that there's a 2m height requirement and anyone under that simply doesn't get invited. It's clearly wrong as demonstrated by the article I quoted. As I say, they'll invite anyone they think can transition, regardless of height.

They are looking at ruck height prospects it has been a focus of the ones they invite.

The shorter types come to the open invite off their own bat through word of mouth and advertising not sought out like 211cm Cox and others were.

Try not to be so literal with ''2m'' either it is more a guider number on ruck height.

You're article didn't show it is ''clearly wrong'' at all, again I never said that they cant go and participate or test.
Rather that they arent looking at them as genuine options and dont invite them especially in the later years of the combines was even more height focused.

Look at the numbers those KPP height players put up 2.86 20m times @195cm. Another Grzesiak does an 8.11 agility test, 86cm standing vertical and a 101cm running vert and also posted a respectable 10.34 3km time.
When they go over there one of the main things that can be quantified is athletic ability outside of height.
Yet the superior short players are overlooked for taller slower less agile uber talls. But you reckon they are looking at everyone equally (despite me posting an article from same year stating otherwise)?

I'd say that's more about the fact they'd be competing against a much greater pool of locally based players when you add KPP to the comparisons. We have local kids in that cohort who get overlooked. It will happen, just those tested thus far haven't been deemed good enough.

We have 0 KPP height kids who test in the top 1% of draft over multiple areas that get overlooked.

They also happy to punt on Irish kids with inferior athletic parameters because they are both younger and have Gealic background.
You notice they don't only have ruck height players come from there but all types the opposite of what we have seen in US to date?

But sure a country of 360 million people with world leading athletes just only have 2m plus people suitable for our sport...gimme a break.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Be Reid and Varcoe

Nope.

 

[jackcass]

Nope.

Grundy & JDG?

 

[Hardas]

Nope.

Nope, as in: I know who it is, or I know who it isn't?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Nope, as in, I know who it is, or I know who it isn't?

I know it isn't that combination of two players.

 

[Hardas]

So, Sier and Kelly then.
Two more years for each.
(Sier til 2021, and Kelly to 2022)

 

[jackcass]

Try not to be so literal with ''2m'' either it is more a guider number on ruck height.

It's hardly being literal when you repeatedly cite it (in both metric and imperial) unequivocally.

As I've said, there are 18 clubs able to watch these combines (US, Europe, international rules comps) and not too many go into every season with a full quota of Cat B rookies so I'll go back to my original observation that it's just not that easy to find these players. The weight of evidence supports that, and your guesses about who is excluded don't change that.

 

[jackcass]

So, Sier and Kelly then.
Two more years for each.
(Sier til 2021, and Kelly to 2022)

Two more for Sier and Kelly

Collingwood young guns Brayden Sier and Will Kelly have each signed a two-year contract extension with the club

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Sier has been expected for a while but Kelly comes as a bit of a surprise given his injury issues this year and limited capacity to show his wares. I guess they rate him within the club.

 

[TradeDraft]

Two more for Sier and Kelly

Collingwood young guns Brayden Sier and Will Kelly have each signed a two-year contract extension with the club

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Sier has been expected for a while but Kelly comes as a bit of a surprise given his injury issues this year and limited capacity to show his wares. I guess they rate him within the club.

He only 19 or so and looked Promising in the Little Game Time he had

 

[loki04]

It's hardly being literal when you repeatedly cite it (in both metric and imperial) unequivocally.

As I've said, there are 18 clubs able to watch these combines (US, Europe, international rules comps) and not too many go into every season with a full quota of Cat B rookies so I'll go back to my original observation that it's just not that easy to find these players. The weight of evidence supports that, and your guesses about who is excluded don't change that.

I have also said 198 plus and used the term ruck height ya dig?

The weight of evidence supports that they have ignored some serious athletic prospects in the sub 196cm ranges for mostly 198cm to 211cm types. They have also repeatedly stated the focus will be on taller types and ruck sized for they feel they can translate better in less time.

Not my guesses as again they have had interviews with people and discussed the parameters of what they were looking for and putting invites out for.

There is obviously an open invitation (prior to the current on hold status) but I didn't think I needed to differentiate between sought out invite and open testing for you.

Again Cat B was originally for athletes foreign to the game to sit outside the cap and learn. It's utter b.s. that they couldn't find any like you suggest.
If clubs aren't filling it then it's by choice not because there are a lack of athletes out there. Some clubs simply don't think it's worth it.

 

[Gabbo64]

Two more for Sier and Kelly

Collingwood young guns Brayden Sier and Will Kelly have each signed a two-year contract extension with the club

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Sier has been expected for a while but Kelly comes as a bit of a surprise given his injury issues this year and limited capacity to show his wares. I guess they rate him within the club.

Very happy with these. If they come through they will make a significant improvement to our team.

 

[Maggie5]

Two more for Sier and Kelly

Collingwood young guns Brayden Sier and Will Kelly have each signed a two-year contract extension with the club

www.collingwoodfc.com.au

Sier has been expected for a while but Kelly comes as a bit of a surprise given his injury issues this year and limited capacity to show his wares. I guess they rate him within the club.

I only saw him once at Vic Park and thought he had potential.

 

[Apex36]

How can they morally not upgrade Mihocek? Surely you'd have a hard time looking in the mirror.

He’s on the same coin he’d be getting on the senior list and there’s no playing restrictions on rookies anymore, so could you please explain this ‘moral’ reason for upgrading him? I seriously doubt he gives a crap which list his name is on, as long as he’s playing senior footy, if that’s your reasoning.

 

[Finnishpie]

He’s on the same coin he’d be getting on the senior list and there’s no playing restrictions on rookies anymore, so could you please explain this ‘moral’ reason for upgrading him? I seriously doubt he gives a crap which list his name is on, as long as he’s playing senior footy, if that’s your reasoning.

See discussion above.

 

[TradeDraft]

I would of Kept Aish and Traded Sier

 

[Professor Knowall]

I would of Kept Aish and Traded Sier

Sier would probably be much cheaper to keep than Aish.

 

[Soups]

I would of Kept Aish and Traded Sier

I don’t think anyone would have given anything up after Phill Inn.