List Mgmt. 2019 List Changes, Contract Status, Draft Picks Etc

[jackcass]

Find one.

Be nice but there's a reason most clubs rarely carry full Cat B rookie quota's.

 

[loki04]

Be nice but there's a reason most clubs rarely carry full Cat B rookie quota's.

Nah cop out shit. Was started for athletes outside the system.

 

[jackcass]

Go back to Ireland or USA (drop the 2m+ height requirement) and find real elite athletes (drop the USA heightist AFL/role nonsense they can only be 2m ruck options or super tall flawed fwds) and get genuine 6'3 to 6'6 sized athletic freak that would make Franklin look like Madgen.


If you can learn ruck and FF then you can learn all parts of this game it is a flawed concept that mature cat b recruits are positionally incapable especially when it's never been tested as ALL USA recruits have been uber talls.

Imagine a 6'4 10sec 100m ex basket baller on the list not only is he lightning quick he'd also be vastly more agile then all previous USA rookies.
It's mind blowingly narrow minded and short sighted to do this only ruck height shit.

Only allowed 1x Irish player as a Cat B so that quota is already full.

Is there actually a 2m height requirement on potential USA recruits or is that simply a by-product that those players who show interest largely come from basketball and seem unlikely to gain contracts at the top levels there so they look elsewhere? Aren't the "athletic freaks" already engaging in other sports like NBA, or NFL, or soccer, or hockey? What will attract them to relocate 1/2 way across the world?

 

[jackcass]

Nah cop out shit. Was started for athletes outside the system.

Every club has exactly the same access to the development prospects in the Ireland, the US, Africa, NZ, Asia and Europe yet they can't find the players to consistently fill a quota of 3 prospects, and that's a cop-out? Seriously?

 

[loki04]

Every club has exactly the same access to the development prospects in the Ireland, the US, Africa, NZ, Asia and Europe yet they can't find the players to consistently fill a quota of 3 prospects, and that's a cop-out? Seriously?

Yes.

Because they are narrowed in on height atm, also we and others have filled it often.


When you eliminate 95% of the population 5hrough putting a 2m plus height requirement you are going to struggle to find suitable (non aussie) athletes.

 

[jackcass]

Perhaps agents only help get trades done at deadline? Jenkins was out of the country, for example.

Run of the mill contract extension/signing is the player only?

Email generally allows most stuff to get done I'd have thought but most of that would be driven by urgency. Trade period would bring that urgency whereas re-signing likely less so. I'd imagine that we wouldn't need anymore than an in-principle agreement to include a player in our list lodgement. Formal documentation would need a players signature though.

 

[jackcass]

Yes.

Because they are narrowed in on height atm, also we and others have filled it often.


When you eliminate 95% of the population 5hrough putting a 2m plus height requirement you are going to struggle to find suitable (non aussie) athletes.

According to whom?

 

[loki04]

Only allowed 1x Irish player as a Cat B so that quota is already full.

Is there actually a 2m height requirement on potential USA recruits or is that simply a by-product that those players who show interest largely come from basketball and seem unlikely to gain contracts at the top levels there so they look elsewhere? Aren't the "athletic freaks" already engaging in other sports like NBA, or NFL, or soccer, or hockey? What will attract them to relocate 1/2 way across the world?

All of the invited candidates screen at us screenings were 6'8 plus. They are sought. They believe that ruck is easier to learn and adjust then nominal positions at their age.

No not all of the athletic freaks make it to USPro some college drop outs would humiliate our AFL athletes in many exercises in regards to explosive movements (20-100m, vert leap + running vert) and agility.

 

[loki04]

According to whom?

To them. Has been numerous articles on the screenings over there and specifically looking for ruck sized people. Under 6'8 don't even get invited.

 

[MyManLynch]

Newnes was just signed as a DFA by Carlton despite having a contract from St Kilda in front of him.

Sam Gray will be signed as a DFA by Sydney despite having a contract from Port in front of him.

Did they change the rules?
Or do clubs come to an agreement with the player & agree to delist (hence DFA) to enable them more flexibility in finding another club via DFA.
What about Jack Martin?

 

[grayza2018]

Did they change the rules?
Or do clubs come to an agreement with the player & agree to delist (hence DFA) to enable them more flexibility in finding another club via DFA.
What about Jack Martin?

I'm pretty sure Port and St Kilda ended up delisting Gray and Newnes when it became obvious they couldn't come to an agreement

Which hasn't happened with Martin or Wills yet

 

[PonsfordMagpie]

Updated.

Not sure about the contracts of some current players (i.e. Varcoe, Reid, Cameron, Broomhead, Madgen, Lynch and Noble).

I'm also not 100% sure whether players such as Mihocek are on the senior list, or whether they needed to be technically upgraded to the senior list.

Everything else should be correct from what I can gather.

 

[jsdsgn]

Updated.

Not sure about the contracts of some current players (i.e. Varcoe, Reid, Cameron, Broomhead, Madgen, Lynch and Noble).

I'm also not 100% sure whether players such as Mihocek are on the senior list, or whether they needed to be technically upgraded to the senior list.

Everything else should be correct from what I can gather.

Varcoe and Reid 1 year
Noble reportedly 2 year
Lynch upgraded
Mihocek not upgraded i believe

 

[pablo disco bar]

I'm pretty sure Port and St Kilda ended up delisting Gray and Newnes when it became obvious they couldn't come to an agreement

Which hasn't happened with Martin or Wills yet

Wills still unsigned?
Could be still leave ?

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

Varcoe and Reid 1 year
Noble reportedly 2 year
Lynch upgraded
Mihocek not upgraded i believe

Cleary reported during trade week that Noble was just getting a year.

 

[Finnishpie]

Varcoe and Reid 1 year
Noble reportedly 2 year
Lynch upgraded
Mihocek not upgraded i believe

How can they morally not upgrade Mihocek? Surely you'd have a hard time looking in the mirror.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

How can they morally not upgrade Mihocek? Surely you'd have a hard time looking in the mirror.

Because it doesn't make any difference anymore?

 

[sr36]

How can they morally not upgrade Mihocek? Surely you'd have a hard time looking in the mirror.

Job titles in the corporate world have a bearing on future employment, but they don't in the AFL. Why would he care if he's listed as a rookie or a senior listed player? Same job. Same pay. Same future possibilities regardless of which list his name appears in. It's not like the old days when rookies needed a long term injury to be available for selection.

 

[grayza2018]

Wills still unsigned?
Could be still leave ?

Yeah definitely, but might be via the draft now rather than a new home direct via DFA

 

[Finnishpie]

Job titles in the corporate world have a bearing on future employment, but they don't in the AFL. Why would he care if he's listed as a rookie or a senior listed player? Same job. Same pay. Same future possibilities regardless of which list his name appears in. It's not like the old days when rookies needed a long term injury to be available for selection.

I clearly don't understand the rookie system. Isn't he paid less? What's the point of it if it is basically the same as the senior list?

Apologies for ignorance. This seems to have passed me by.

 

[sr36]

I clearly don't understand the rookie system. Isn't he paid less? What's the point of it if it is basically the same as the senior list?

Apologies for ignorance. This seems to have passed me by.

For Cat A rookies, the only real difference for the player is that they were originally recruited on a one year contract. Subsequent contracts can have any value whatsoever. I don't know why they are categorised differently anymore. Seems stupid to me.

For clubs, the other difference is that for some unknown reason the minimum base contract of a rookie doesn't count towards salary cap. For Collingwood, this means that we are likely to continue to go with 38 senior listed + 6 rookies, rather than 40 + 4, whilst we've got a tight cap. As it effectively saves us from including two base salaries in our salary cap - approximately $170,000 - eg. we may not have been able to keep Elliott or someone similar with 40 + 4.

 

[legendstatus]

Maybe Tigers have Rance, Dusty, Lynch, Prestia, Riewoldt & Cotchin as Rookies, don’t know how the **** they aren’t over the Salary cap


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[Pragmatic Shill]

A little frustrating that the club hasn't communicated re-signings beyond Elliott.

Quaynor was revealed as extending for two more years back in July by AFL Media. No announcement by the club.

Greenwood himself said during the week of the QF that he'd extended for a year. No announcement by the club.

Mitch Cleary reported on Trade Radio that Sier and Noble had extended for two years and one year respectively. No announcement by the club.

Mark Stevens reported during Trade Week that Reid and Varcoe were extending for a year. No announcement by the club.

Even when the club announced Lynch would be promoted, there was no announcement from the club as to how long he was extending for.

As of right now there has been radio silence about Broomhead.

 

[jackcass]

To them. Has been numerous articles on the screenings over there and specifically looking for ruck sized people. Under 6'8 don't even get invited.

I'm certainly not convinced. I'd say it's more about who is interested rather than anything else and that seems to be basketballers.

 

[sr36]

I'm certainly not convinced. I'd say it's more about who is interested rather than anything else and that seems to be basketballers.

Clubs are targeting talls. I think they've got it wrong. To me target running backs - easier skills to transfer because its a skill in a heap of invasion sports. Ruck takes ages to learn which is why so many peak so late and kpp rely on reading the ball flight of an oval ball which also isn't a skill that's transferable from other sports. Plus i suspect that they don't practice it enough.