Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion II

[Keyza]

Not sure if already shared....

FoxSports has a crack at our list changes...

AFL trades, out of contract players, free agents: Verdict on every out of contract player at end of 2019

Cut, keep or trade bait: Verdict on every out-of-contract AFL player

www.foxsports.com.au

I agree with most of those players.
Something I found odd was Newman being out of contract this year. It is unusual for a player to change clubs on a one year contract.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I agree with most of those players.
Something I found odd was Newman being out of contract this year. It is unusual for a player to change clubs on a one year contract.

Not really a hard thing to nut out. Kerr is the one that must surely be included on the list of possible delists. Can't see him getting a game anywhere else either. Lang stays dependent on what we can get in.

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

Don't like this, but it's hard not to agree with you. Only question is whether, being a KP forward, he could develop with a bit more time.

Sure its possible of course, however I still see him in position 6 or 7 as an option.

 

[thylacine60]

I agree with most of those players.
Something I found odd was Newman being out of contract this year. It is unusual for a player to change clubs on a one year contract.

only 2 I waver on are lang and kerr...........agree with the rest............

 

[Opine]

Sure its possible of course, however I still see him in position 6 or 7 as an option.

Hard to disagree.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not really a hard thing to nut out. Kerr is the one that must surely be included on the list of possible delists. Can't see him getting a game anywhere else either. Lang stays dependent on what we can get in.

Key Forwards are hard to fill and although we have an embarrassment of riches...I think Kerr would slot in easily as the 3rd or even 2nd option at multiple clubs.

Melbourne for example.

The options seem to be re-contract/delist/retire

I'd say sign-and-trade for Kerr

 

[Keyza]

Not really a hard thing to nut out. Kerr is the one that must surely be included on the list of possible delists. Can't see him getting a game anywhere else either. Lang stays dependent on what we can get in.

What I find hard to nut out is that Newman was only given a one year contract, which is what I was talking about.

 

[Blue and Blue]

What I find hard to nut out is that Newman was only given a one year contract, which is what I was talking about.

True. I suppose its all part of the strategy mapped out for the years ahead.
I wouldn't have thought a player of his calibre is on a one year trial. But then we could have said the same about Fasolo a couple of years back.
Strange times indeed.

 

[Blue__Balls]

What I find hard to nut out is that Newman was only given a one year contract, which is what I was talking about.

Gives him an opportunity to renegotiate salary I suppose.

Assuming he was earning peanuts at Sydney, and we only traded a fourth rounder for him, I can't imagine we were offering much more money than Sydney. He may have backed himself in to have a strong first year and then negotiate a better deal for the following few years.

 

[Thehurdle]

List manager very keen on Newman last year based on his knowledge of him at the Swans. Let’s hope he likes Papley also.

 

[mochacinolatte]

No idea on his contract status, but Shumachers game today ranks as one of the worst debut games ive ever seen. Staggered if he is sighted again this season, and even more staggered if he is anywhere near an AFL list next year

idk, Kade Simpson had 0 possession in his first game was probably worse that Shumachers. Look at where he is now, 300 + gamer and heart and soul of the club.

Don't write players off 1 game.

 

[Malifice]

Article on Cogs:

Carlton has poached plenty of Giants, but they could land the biggest one yet

Carlton has recruited 11 players from Greater Western Sydney, but they may be about to add the best player to depart the AFL’s newest franchise.

The Blues are reportedly leading the chase to secure the services of Stephen Coniglio — the most sought after free agent in this year’s pool.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/c...t/news-story/3f0d5924f0bf8f4f8c60298afab43c43

 

[Blueboys11]

idk, Kade Simpson had 0 possession in his first game was probably worse that Shumachers. Look at where he is now, 300 + gamer and heart and soul of the club.

Don't write players off 1 game.

Struggling to see the relevance. I’m not looking at stats. I’m looking at how I viewed him on the ground. Anyway all will be revealed in a few weeks

 

[Mister Carlton]

Struggling to see the relevance. I’m not looking at stats. I’m looking at how I viewed him on the ground. Anyway all will be revealed in a few weeks

Also wasn’t exactly setting the world on fire at VFL level either. Can’t see him on our list next season.

 

[thylacine60]

don't be come that guy, mclovin............

 

[footyfan1978]

Amused by some Hawk fans not realising that the choice by more recent list management to neglect re-generation strongly through the draft will hurt as time goes on. The way they originally got to a strong list last decade was from previous list management mostly building through the draft for the core group.

Last night will fool some of them, they will be alright...

2008 premiership team and how they were recruited:

Hodge, Luke	National Draft pick 1 (Priority)
Roughead, Jarryd	National Draft pick 2 (Priority)
Ellis, Xavier	National Draft pick 3 (Priority)
Franklin, Lance	National Draft pick 5
Lewis, Jordan	National Draft pick 7
Rioli, Cyril	National Draft pick 12
Crawford, Shane	National Draft pick 13
Birchall, Grant	National Draft pick 14
Ladson, Rick	National Draft pick 16
Renouf, Brent	National Draft pick 24
Brown, Campbell	National Draft pick 32
Mitchell, Sam	National Draft pick 36
Williams, Mark	National Draft pick 43
Dew, Stuart	National Draft pick 45
Bateman, Chance	National Draft pick 48
Croad, Trent	Traded for #10
Guerra, Brent	Pre-Season Draft pick 3
Sewell, Brad	Rookie Draft pick 7
Osborne, Michael	Rookie Draft pick 11
Young, Clinton	Rookie Draft pick 18
Campbell, Robert	Rookie Draft pick 27
Gilham, Stephen	Rookie Draft pick 34

 

[HARKER]

I have little interest in Wines.
Don't see how he'd necessarily make us a better team next year, let alone the years following.
I just don't think he's the type we need, let alone factoring in the cost.
ECurnow & Murphy can support the young mids as required and after that, the training wheels are off.

A couple of months on and nothing has changed and should the scenario discussed earlier be manufactured, we'd be off and running.
The Conglio/Papley netting would be brilliant for The Blues. Missing on one is O.K. but missing on both, would make for a disappointment.
Martin is OK for a second round should we manufacture something 'unexpected' via our 2020 1st, we can grade ourselves with an A+

 

[Red Bull]

Martin is a tricky one.
You would imagine the Adelaide pick would be needed in Papley/Cameron negotiations.
We don’t hold a second rounder this year.
Without trading a player, that leaves our future picks.
Doubt a future 2nd is enough to land Martin.
Our future 1st for Martin + a 2nd rounder coming back ?
I dunno ... but Silvagni will ...

 

[HARKER]

Martin is a tricky one.
You would imagine the Adelaide pick would be needed in Papley/Cameron negotiations.
We don’t hold a second rounder this year.
Without trading a player, that leaves our future picks.
Doubt a future 2nd is enough to land Martin.
Our future 1st for Martin + a 2nd rounder coming back ?
I dunno ... but Silvagni will ...

Here's what I playing out -

Our first for Papley which now could be a #10 and a third, for Sydneys second.
That second, approx #22 may be close for Martin.

The 2020 first has to be earmarked for an 'unbelievable' outcome and not for Matin in any shape or form.


EDIT: I'd actually sooner Papley than Coniglio

 

[Juddernaut08]

Where does Martin slot in?

HBF we already have Newman, Doch, SPS and even Willo/DT

HFF we have guys like Cunners, Fisher but mostly rotating mids

He will be overpaid and a mistake IMO. Still living off his early hype but he has not shown any more performance wise than someone like Newman.

 

[Red Bull]

Here's what I playing out -

Our first for Papley which now could be a #10 and a third, for Sydneys second.
That second, approx #22 may be close for Martin.

The 2020 first has to be earmarked for an 'unbelievable' outcome and not for Matin in any shape or form.

Like it and agree involving our future 1st for Martin doesn’t sit comfortably.
Just not sure GC would come at that pick for Martin though after it has been pushed out a few places.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Besides we needs the cap space for Cogs.

 

[Red Bull]

Here's what I playing out -

Our first for Papley which now could be a #10 and a third, for Sydneys second.
That second, approx #22 may be close for Martin.

The 2020 first has to be earmarked for an 'unbelievable' outcome and not for Matin in any shape or form.


EDIT: I'd actually sooner Papley than Coniglio

Really don’t see us having to make a choice between Papley and Coniglio as long as “the books” are ticked off.
What an outcome both would be for Carlton.

In : Coniglio Papley Stocker Cameron
Out : 2019 ~ pick 4

 

[HARKER]

Like it and agree involving our future 1st for Martin doesn’t sit comfortably.
Just not sure GC would come at that pick for Martin though after it has been pushed out a few places.

They may not like it but should Martin call out our name, they may have to accept it.....providing we do have it.

I agree that Martin is worth more but maybe not too much more and there is no way I'd want our 2020 slip out the door for him, even though we may not ultimately be using that pick come the following year.

I can see SOS dangling the 2020 first, but now thinking that it may be a hard to get the right player with it as next years picks are discounted, given the 12 month wait to utilise them.

 

[Red Bull]

They may not like it but should Martin call out our name, they may have to accept it.....providing we do have it.

I agree that Martin is worth more but maybe not too much more and there is no way I'd want our 2020 slip out the door for him, even though we may not ultimately be using that pick come the following year.

I can see SOS dangling the 2020 first, but now thinking that it may be a hard to get the right player with it as next years picks are discounted, given the 12 month wait to utilise them.

The nomination does count for something and Martin is ooc.
We haven’t really got much in the way of sweeteners either.
Would GC be interested in our future 2nd and say Kerr ?