Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion II

murphster

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I'd probably rather us back in Matt Owies at this stage.

Thought he was stiff not to get an opportunity in the back end of the season. Showed a lot.

He's one that I think will surprise in 2020.

Heard a lot of talk about us needing a small forward, but not much about his development and potential to fill that role for us next year.
Here here I agree wholeheartedly showed plenty in the second half of the year and if he continues that form, which after a full pre season he should, will push his way into the senior side, I have really high hopes for Owies good at pressure and tackling as well as hitting the scoreboard, kicked a bag of 5 didn’t he, maybe even twice.
 

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Eiffel 65

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Here here I agree wholeheartedly showed plenty in the second half of the year and if he continues that form, which after a full pre season he should, will push his way into the senior side, I have really high hopes for Owies good at pressure and tackling as well as hitting the scoreboard, kicked a bag of 5 didn’t he, maybe even twice.
Yea, bags of 5 and 4.

Kicked 1 goal in his first 5 VFL games compared to 16 goals in the final 12 rounds.

Keep in mind we were beaten quite comprehensively in some of those matches, so he wouldn't have had many opportunities either.
 

Jimmae

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HARKER

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Next years signings won't be stressing out our List Managers too much at all.

Even this far out it's really only Marchbank and Plowman as relative 'must keeps'
Really want to see Williamson and Macreadie in that group also. Get these two going and we'll be some way in front.

The next two in line I'd like to see show plenty in 2020 are BSilvagni and Cottrell. There's really something about Cottrell that looked good this year.
 

Wickzki

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Absolutely not sold on Beatson from Sydney as SOS's replacement


2010-2018 period

Academy / Father Son Players

2018 Nick Blakey (21 games)
2015 Callum Mills (77 games)
2014 Isaac Heeney (102 games)
2014 Jack Hiscox (1 game)
2014 Abe Davis (0 games)
2014 Jordan Foote* (6 games)
2013 Lloyd Perris (0 games)
2012 Dane Rampe (159 games)
2012 Daniel Robinson (25 games)
2012 Brandon Jack (28 games)
2012 Sam Naismith (28 games)
2011 Tom Mitchell (65 games with Sydney from '13 to '16)
2011 Jack Lynch (0 games)
2010 Eugene Kreuger (0 games)

Traded Tom Mitchell + pick 57 for picks 14 + 52 then traded picks 14 + 17 and 31 for 9, 19 and 49. Sydney drafted Florent, Hayward and Cameron.

Could have had Jarrod Witts as an academy selection.

Actual Picks

2018 James Rowbottom (12 games)
2018 Justin McInerney (1 game)
2018 Zac Foot (0 games)
2017 Matthew Ling (0 games)
2017 Tom McCartin (34 games)
2017 Ryley Stoddart (4 games)
2016 Oliver Florent (53 games)
2016 Will Hayward (53 games)
2016 Jack Maibaum (0 games)
2016 Darcy Cameron (1 game, traded)
2015 Tyrone Leonardis (0 games)
2015 Jordan Dawson (25 games)
2014 James Rose (14 games)
2013 Zak Jones (90 games, traded)
2013 George Hewett (93 games)
2013 Toby Nankervis (12 games, traded)
2013 Aliir Aliir (50 games)
2012 Dean Towers (57 games)
2012 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2012 Tim Membrey (1 game, delisted)
2012 Matthew Dick (0 games)
2011 Jordan Lockyer (0 games)
2011 Alex Brown (0 games)
2010 Jed Lamb (12 games)
2010 Luke Parker (195 games)
2010 Alex Johnson (47 games)
2010 Matthew Spangher (6 games)

Traded premiership ruck Toby Nankervis for '16 pick 46 (Jack Maibaum, 0 games)

Delisted Tim Membrey who went to St. Kilda and kicked 169 goals in 91 games

Traded premiership Hawk Matt Spangher to the Hawks with pick 70 (redrafted Michael Osborne) for pick 64 (selected Matthew Dick)

Preseason Draft

2012 Kurt Tippett (74 games)

Rookie Draft

2018 Durak Tucker (0 games)
2018 Harry Reynolds (0 games)
2017* Angus Styles (0 games)
2017* Joel Amartey (0 games)
2016 Ben Ronke (31 games)
2016 Robbie Fox (24 games)
2016 Shaun Edwards (0 games)
2016 Toby Pink (0 games)
2015 Tom Papley (82 games)
2015 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2015 Kyle Galloway (0 games)
2015 Sam Murray (0 games, traded)
2015 Colin O'Riordan (15 games)
2014 Sean McLaren (0 games)
2014 Nic Newman (31 games, traded)
2014 Lewis Melican (37 games)
2013 Patrick Mitchell (0 games)
2012 Jake Lloyd (137 games)
2012 Xavier Richards (12 games)1
2011 Shane Biggs (6 games)
2010 Max Otten (0 games)
2010 Ben Haren (0 games)

Traded Murray and pick 70 to Collingwood for 2018 2nd (used on an academy selection, Briggs, delisted)

Traded Newman to Carlton for 2019 fourth

Traded premiership Dog Shane Biggs w/ pick 39 (Declan Hamilton, 0 games) for pick 37 (James Rose, 14 games)

Category B rookies

2018 Samuel Wicks (0 games)
2017 James Bell (2 games)
2017 Jake Brown (0 games)
2016 Sam Fisher (0 games)

Pre-season Supplemental Selections

2018* Hayden McLean (4 games)


Free Agency

2018 Daniel Menzel (7 games)
2013 Lance Franklin (118 games)
2013 Jeremy Laidler (61 games)
2013 Tom Derickx (13 games)

There's a lot of misses beyond their academy.

Traded a Brownlow medalist for unders.

Traded multiple future premiership players.

A few nice hits there but anyone semi-competent can have some hits every now and again. At our list management worst we managed a few hits too!

Not including incoming trades but I can do that extra leg work if people would like me to.
 

BigBreakfast

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Absolutely not sold on Beatson from Sydney as SOS's replacement


2010-2018 period

Academy / Father Son Players

2018 Nick Blakey (21 games)
2015 Callum Mills (77 games)
2014 Isaac Heeney (102 games)
2014 Jack Hiscox (1 game)
2014 Abe Davis (0 games)
2014 Jordan Foote* (6 games)
2013 Lloyd Perris (0 games)
2012 Dane Rampe (159 games)
2012 Daniel Robinson (25 games)
2012 Brandon Jack (28 games)
2012 Sam Naismith (28 games)
2011 Tom Mitchell (65 games with Sydney from '13 to '16)
2011 Jack Lynch (0 games)
2010 Eugene Kreuger (0 games)

Traded Tom Mitchell + pick 57 for picks 14 + 52 then traded picks 14 + 17 and 31 for 9, 19 and 49. Sydney drafted Florent, Hayward and Cameron.

Could have had Jarrod Witts as an academy selection.

Actual Picks

2018 James Rowbottom (12 games)
2018 Justin McInerney (1 game)
2018 Zac Foot (0 games)
2017 Matthew Ling (0 games)
2017 Tom McCartin (34 games)
2017 Ryley Stoddart (4 games)
2016 Oliver Florent (53 games)
2016 Will Hayward (53 games)
2016 Jack Maibaum (0 games)
2016 Darcy Cameron (1 game, traded)
2015 Tyrone Leonardis (0 games)
2015 Jordan Dawson (25 games)
2014 James Rose (14 games)
2013 Zak Jones (90 games, traded)
2013 George Hewett (93 games)
2013 Toby Nankervis (12 games, traded)
2013 Aliir Aliir (50 games)
2012 Dean Towers (57 games)
2012 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2012 Tim Membrey (1 game, delisted)
2012 Matthew Dick (0 games)
2011 Jordan Lockyer (0 games)
2011 Alex Brown (0 games)
2010 Jed Lamb (12 games)
2010 Luke Parker (195 games)
2010 Alex Johnson (47 games)
2010 Matthew Spangher (6 games)

Traded premiership ruck Toby Nankervis for '16 pick 46 (Jack Maibaum, 0 games)

Delisted Tim Membrey who went to St. Kilda and kicked 169 goals in 91 games

Traded premiership Hawk Matt Spangher to the Hawks with pick 70 (redrafted Michael Osborne) for pick 64 (selected Matthew Dick)

Preseason Draft

2012 Kurt Tippett (74 games)

Rookie Draft

2018 Durak Tucker (0 games)
2018 Harry Reynolds (0 games)
2017* Angus Styles (0 games)
2017* Joel Amartey (0 games)
2016 Ben Ronke (31 games)
2016 Robbie Fox (24 games)
2016 Shaun Edwards (0 games)
2016 Toby Pink (0 games)
2015 Tom Papley (82 games)
2015 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2015 Kyle Galloway (0 games)
2015 Sam Murray (0 games, traded)
2015 Colin O'Riordan (15 games)
2014 Sean McLaren (0 games)
2014 Nic Newman (31 games, traded)
2014 Lewis Melican (37 games)
2013 Patrick Mitchell (0 games)
2012 Jake Lloyd (137 games)
2012 Xavier Richards (12 games)1
2011 Shane Biggs (6 games)
2010 Max Otten (0 games)
2010 Ben Haren (0 games)

Traded Murray and pick 70 to Collingwood for 2018 2nd (used on an academy selection, Briggs, delisted)

Traded Newman to Carlton for 2019 fourth

Traded premiership Dog Shane Biggs w/ pick 39 (Declan Hamilton, 0 games) for pick 37 (James Rose, 14 games)

Category B rookies

2018 Samuel Wicks (0 games)
2017 James Bell (2 games)
2017 Jake Brown (0 games)
2016 Sam Fisher (0 games)

Pre-season Supplemental Selections

2018* Hayden McLean (4 games)


Free Agency

2018 Daniel Menzel (7 games)
2013 Lance Franklin (118 games)
2013 Jeremy Laidler (61 games)
2013 Tom Derickx (13 games)

There's a lot of misses beyond their academy.

Traded a Brownlow medalist for unders.

Traded multiple future premiership players.

A few nice hits there but anyone semi-competent can have some hits every now and again. At our list management worst we managed a few hits too!

Not including incoming trades but I can do that extra leg work if people would like me to.
Nice work.
 

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ferrisb

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Absolutely not sold on Beatson from Sydney as SOS's replacement


2010-2018 period

Academy / Father Son Players

2018 Nick Blakey (21 games)
2015 Callum Mills (77 games)
2014 Isaac Heeney (102 games)
2014 Jack Hiscox (1 game)
2014 Abe Davis (0 games)
2014 Jordan Foote* (6 games)
2013 Lloyd Perris (0 games)
2012 Dane Rampe (159 games)
2012 Daniel Robinson (25 games)
2012 Brandon Jack (28 games)
2012 Sam Naismith (28 games)
2011 Tom Mitchell (65 games with Sydney from '13 to '16)
2011 Jack Lynch (0 games)
2010 Eugene Kreuger (0 games)

Traded Tom Mitchell + pick 57 for picks 14 + 52 then traded picks 14 + 17 and 31 for 9, 19 and 49. Sydney drafted Florent, Hayward and Cameron.

Could have had Jarrod Witts as an academy selection.

Actual Picks

2018 James Rowbottom (12 games)
2018 Justin McInerney (1 game)
2018 Zac Foot (0 games)
2017 Matthew Ling (0 games)
2017 Tom McCartin (34 games)
2017 Ryley Stoddart (4 games)
2016 Oliver Florent (53 games)
2016 Will Hayward (53 games)
2016 Jack Maibaum (0 games)
2016 Darcy Cameron (1 game, traded)
2015 Tyrone Leonardis (0 games)
2015 Jordan Dawson (25 games)
2014 James Rose (14 games)
2013 Zak Jones (90 games, traded)
2013 George Hewett (93 games)
2013 Toby Nankervis (12 games, traded)
2013 Aliir Aliir (50 games)
2012 Dean Towers (57 games)
2012 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2012 Tim Membrey (1 game, delisted)
2012 Matthew Dick (0 games)
2011 Jordan Lockyer (0 games)
2011 Alex Brown (0 games)
2010 Jed Lamb (12 games)
2010 Luke Parker (195 games)
2010 Alex Johnson (47 games)
2010 Matthew Spangher (6 games)

Traded premiership ruck Toby Nankervis for '16 pick 46 (Jack Maibaum, 0 games)

Delisted Tim Membrey who went to St. Kilda and kicked 169 goals in 91 games

Traded premiership Hawk Matt Spangher to the Hawks with pick 70 (redrafted Michael Osborne) for pick 64 (selected Matthew Dick)

Preseason Draft

2012 Kurt Tippett (74 games)

Rookie Draft

2018 Durak Tucker (0 games)
2018 Harry Reynolds (0 games)
2017* Angus Styles (0 games)
2017* Joel Amartey (0 games)
2016 Ben Ronke (31 games)
2016 Robbie Fox (24 games)
2016 Shaun Edwards (0 games)
2016 Toby Pink (0 games)
2015 Tom Papley (82 games)
2015 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2015 Kyle Galloway (0 games)
2015 Sam Murray (0 games, traded)
2015 Colin O'Riordan (15 games)
2014 Sean McLaren (0 games)
2014 Nic Newman (31 games, traded)
2014 Lewis Melican (37 games)
2013 Patrick Mitchell (0 games)
2012 Jake Lloyd (137 games)
2012 Xavier Richards (12 games)1
2011 Shane Biggs (6 games)
2010 Max Otten (0 games)
2010 Ben Haren (0 games)

Traded Murray and pick 70 to Collingwood for 2018 2nd (used on an academy selection, Briggs, delisted)

Traded Newman to Carlton for 2019 fourth

Traded premiership Dog Shane Biggs w/ pick 39 (Declan Hamilton, 0 games) for pick 37 (James Rose, 14 games)

Category B rookies

2018 Samuel Wicks (0 games)
2017 James Bell (2 games)
2017 Jake Brown (0 games)
2016 Sam Fisher (0 games)

Pre-season Supplemental Selections

2018* Hayden McLean (4 games)


Free Agency

2018 Daniel Menzel (7 games)
2013 Lance Franklin (118 games)
2013 Jeremy Laidler (61 games)
2013 Tom Derickx (13 games)

There's a lot of misses beyond their academy.

Traded a Brownlow medalist for unders.

Traded multiple future premiership players.

A few nice hits there but anyone semi-competent can have some hits every now and again. At our list management worst we managed a few hits too!

Not including incoming trades but I can do that extra leg work if people would like me to.
Body of work aside, I struggle to see someone of Beatson's calibre joining us.

Agresta worked under Beatson and has said great things about him. Mick moved to Carlton for higher duties. Would he want to go back to working under Beatson again?

And before you say Beatson would be replacing SOS, I'm not sure I 100% understand how we currently have both a head of list strategy as well as a list manager....
 

Jimmae

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Body of work aside, I struggle to see someone of Beatson's calibre joining us.

Agresta worked under Beatson and has said great things about him. Mick moved to Carlton for higher duties. Would he want to go back to working under Beatson again?

And before you say Beatson would be replacing SOS, I'm not sure I 100% understand how we currently have both a head of list strategy as well as a list manager....
SOS oversees list management and recruiting, and that's likely the source of the friction with Liddle, i.e. is his position somewhat ancillary given the hire of Brad Lloyd.
 

gbatman

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Mar 26, 2008
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Other Teams
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Absolutely not sold on Beatson from Sydney as SOS's replacement


2010-2018 period

Academy / Father Son Players

2018 Nick Blakey (21 games)
2015 Callum Mills (77 games)
2014 Isaac Heeney (102 games)
2014 Jack Hiscox (1 game)
2014 Abe Davis (0 games)
2014 Jordan Foote* (6 games)
2013 Lloyd Perris (0 games)
2012 Dane Rampe (159 games)
2012 Daniel Robinson (25 games)
2012 Brandon Jack (28 games)
2012 Sam Naismith (28 games)
2011 Tom Mitchell (65 games with Sydney from '13 to '16)
2011 Jack Lynch (0 games)
2010 Eugene Kreuger (0 games)

Traded Tom Mitchell + pick 57 for picks 14 + 52 then traded picks 14 + 17 and 31 for 9, 19 and 49. Sydney drafted Florent, Hayward and Cameron.

Could have had Jarrod Witts as an academy selection.

Actual Picks

2018 James Rowbottom (12 games)
2018 Justin McInerney (1 game)
2018 Zac Foot (0 games)
2017 Matthew Ling (0 games)
2017 Tom McCartin (34 games)
2017 Ryley Stoddart (4 games)
2016 Oliver Florent (53 games)
2016 Will Hayward (53 games)
2016 Jack Maibaum (0 games)
2016 Darcy Cameron (1 game, traded)
2015 Tyrone Leonardis (0 games)
2015 Jordan Dawson (25 games)
2014 James Rose (14 games)
2013 Zak Jones (90 games, traded)
2013 George Hewett (93 games)
2013 Toby Nankervis (12 games, traded)
2013 Aliir Aliir (50 games)
2012 Dean Towers (57 games)
2012 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2012 Tim Membrey (1 game, delisted)
2012 Matthew Dick (0 games)
2011 Jordan Lockyer (0 games)
2011 Alex Brown (0 games)
2010 Jed Lamb (12 games)
2010 Luke Parker (195 games)
2010 Alex Johnson (47 games)
2010 Matthew Spangher (6 games)

Traded premiership ruck Toby Nankervis for '16 pick 46 (Jack Maibaum, 0 games)

Delisted Tim Membrey who went to St. Kilda and kicked 169 goals in 91 games

Traded premiership Hawk Matt Spangher to the Hawks with pick 70 (redrafted Michael Osborne) for pick 64 (selected Matthew Dick)

Preseason Draft

2012 Kurt Tippett (74 games)

Rookie Draft

2018 Durak Tucker (0 games)
2018 Harry Reynolds (0 games)
2017* Angus Styles (0 games)
2017* Joel Amartey (0 games)
2016 Ben Ronke (31 games)
2016 Robbie Fox (24 games)
2016 Shaun Edwards (0 games)
2016 Toby Pink (0 games)
2015 Tom Papley (82 games)
2015 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2015 Kyle Galloway (0 games)
2015 Sam Murray (0 games, traded)
2015 Colin O'Riordan (15 games)
2014 Sean McLaren (0 games)
2014 Nic Newman (31 games, traded)
2014 Lewis Melican (37 games)
2013 Patrick Mitchell (0 games)
2012 Jake Lloyd (137 games)
2012 Xavier Richards (12 games)1
2011 Shane Biggs (6 games)
2010 Max Otten (0 games)
2010 Ben Haren (0 games)

Traded Murray and pick 70 to Collingwood for 2018 2nd (used on an academy selection, Briggs, delisted)

Traded Newman to Carlton for 2019 fourth

Traded premiership Dog Shane Biggs w/ pick 39 (Declan Hamilton, 0 games) for pick 37 (James Rose, 14 games)

Category B rookies

2018 Samuel Wicks (0 games)
2017 James Bell (2 games)
2017 Jake Brown (0 games)
2016 Sam Fisher (0 games)

Pre-season Supplemental Selections

2018* Hayden McLean (4 games)


Free Agency

2018 Daniel Menzel (7 games)
2013 Lance Franklin (118 games)
2013 Jeremy Laidler (61 games)
2013 Tom Derickx (13 games)

There's a lot of misses beyond their academy.

Traded a Brownlow medalist for unders.

Traded multiple future premiership players.

A few nice hits there but anyone semi-competent can have some hits every now and again. At our list management worst we managed a few hits too!

Not including incoming trades but I can do that extra leg work if people would like me to.
Agree, his record is fairly bloody ordinary. His previous record at Brisbane before being moved on was horrendous. Very overrated recruiter. I think Sydney's current list is a sign of that. Burner of early draft picks and there is very little to suggest he's some gun when it comes to late picks. Some Sydney supporters blame it on the go home factor but I could not bring myself to warm to his recruiting.

I think our list and salary cap would make enticing a good recruiter fairly easy as long as our CEO doesn't put them off.
 

HavUEvaSeenTheRain

Premiership Player
Apr 20, 2006
4,617
4,894
AFL Club
Carlton
Absolutely not sold on Beatson from Sydney as SOS's replacement


2010-2018 period

Academy / Father Son Players

2018 Nick Blakey (21 games)
2015 Callum Mills (77 games)
2014 Isaac Heeney (102 games)
2014 Jack Hiscox (1 game)
2014 Abe Davis (0 games)
2014 Jordan Foote* (6 games)
2013 Lloyd Perris (0 games)
2012 Dane Rampe (159 games)
2012 Daniel Robinson (25 games)
2012 Brandon Jack (28 games)
2012 Sam Naismith (28 games)
2011 Tom Mitchell (65 games with Sydney from '13 to '16)
2011 Jack Lynch (0 games)
2010 Eugene Kreuger (0 games)

Traded Tom Mitchell + pick 57 for picks 14 + 52 then traded picks 14 + 17 and 31 for 9, 19 and 49. Sydney drafted Florent, Hayward and Cameron.

Could have had Jarrod Witts as an academy selection.

Actual Picks

2018 James Rowbottom (12 games)
2018 Justin McInerney (1 game)
2018 Zac Foot (0 games)
2017 Matthew Ling (0 games)
2017 Tom McCartin (34 games)
2017 Ryley Stoddart (4 games)
2016 Oliver Florent (53 games)
2016 Will Hayward (53 games)
2016 Jack Maibaum (0 games)
2016 Darcy Cameron (1 game, traded)
2015 Tyrone Leonardis (0 games)
2015 Jordan Dawson (25 games)
2014 James Rose (14 games)
2013 Zak Jones (90 games, traded)
2013 George Hewett (93 games)
2013 Toby Nankervis (12 games, traded)
2013 Aliir Aliir (50 games)
2012 Dean Towers (57 games)
2012 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2012 Tim Membrey (1 game, delisted)
2012 Matthew Dick (0 games)
2011 Jordan Lockyer (0 games)
2011 Alex Brown (0 games)
2010 Jed Lamb (12 games)
2010 Luke Parker (195 games)
2010 Alex Johnson (47 games)
2010 Matthew Spangher (6 games)

Traded premiership ruck Toby Nankervis for '16 pick 46 (Jack Maibaum, 0 games)

Delisted Tim Membrey who went to St. Kilda and kicked 169 goals in 91 games

Traded premiership Hawk Matt Spangher to the Hawks with pick 70 (redrafted Michael Osborne) for pick 64 (selected Matthew Dick)

Preseason Draft

2012 Kurt Tippett (74 games)

Rookie Draft

2018 Durak Tucker (0 games)
2018 Harry Reynolds (0 games)
2017* Angus Styles (0 games)
2017* Joel Amartey (0 games)
2016 Ben Ronke (31 games)
2016 Robbie Fox (24 games)
2016 Shaun Edwards (0 games)
2016 Toby Pink (0 games)
2015 Tom Papley (82 games)
2015 Harrison Marsh (25 games)
2015 Kyle Galloway (0 games)
2015 Sam Murray (0 games, traded)
2015 Colin O'Riordan (15 games)
2014 Sean McLaren (0 games)
2014 Nic Newman (31 games, traded)
2014 Lewis Melican (37 games)
2013 Patrick Mitchell (0 games)
2012 Jake Lloyd (137 games)
2012 Xavier Richards (12 games)1
2011 Shane Biggs (6 games)
2010 Max Otten (0 games)
2010 Ben Haren (0 games)

Traded Murray and pick 70 to Collingwood for 2018 2nd (used on an academy selection, Briggs, delisted)

Traded Newman to Carlton for 2019 fourth

Traded premiership Dog Shane Biggs w/ pick 39 (Declan Hamilton, 0 games) for pick 37 (James Rose, 14 games)

Category B rookies

2018 Samuel Wicks (0 games)
2017 James Bell (2 games)
2017 Jake Brown (0 games)
2016 Sam Fisher (0 games)

Pre-season Supplemental Selections

2018* Hayden McLean (4 games)


Free Agency

2018 Daniel Menzel (7 games)
2013 Lance Franklin (118 games)
2013 Jeremy Laidler (61 games)
2013 Tom Derickx (13 games)

There's a lot of misses beyond their academy.

Traded a Brownlow medalist for unders.

Traded multiple future premiership players.

A few nice hits there but anyone semi-competent can have some hits every now and again. At our list management worst we managed a few hits too!

Not including incoming trades but I can do that extra leg work if people would like me to.
Very good post. I actually think if you go through every side like this and take out FS/academy players and top 15 picks you soon realise how hard it is to find players unless they are gifted or you get very high picks. I guess you really only need to find 2-3 long term players per year.
 

djholmes

Team Captain
Oct 9, 2007
430
317
Tasmania
AFL Club
Carlton
Carlton Premiership 22:

B: Plowman----------------Marchbank-------------Newman

H: Docherty----------------Weitering-------------Williamson

C: Newnes------------------Cripps-----------------O'Brien

H: Cuningham-------------C.Curnow--------------J.Martin

F: Papley-------------------McKay----------------McGovern

Foll: Krezuer, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Stocker, Kennedy, SPS, Dow
 

Mr_Plow

That name again...
May 18, 2008
13,098
41,650
Melbourne
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
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Carlton Premiership 22:

B: Plowman----------------Marchbank-------------Newman

H: Docherty----------------Weitering-------------Williamson

C: Newnes------------------Cripps-----------------O'Brien

H: Cuningham-------------C.Curnow--------------J.Martin

F: Papley-------------------McKay----------------McGovern

Foll: Krezuer, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Stocker, Kennedy, SPS, Dow
We weren't able to get Papley, unfortunately.
 

ABigOlDoofus

Team Captain
Aug 20, 2019
330
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AFL Club
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Other Teams
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AFL.com is reporting that former Bulldog Lukas Webb is training with the club. Thoughts? Can't say I know a lot about him apart from he's injured a lot.

EDIT: Looked at his stats and they're certainly not inspiring. Can someone shed some light on why we're giving him a crack?
 

Virgin Dog

Premiership Player
Oct 29, 2017
3,212
5,219
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs

AFL.com is reporting that former Bulldog Lukas Webb is training with the club. Thoughts? Can't say I know a lot about him apart from he's injured a lot.

EDIT: Looked at his stats and they're certainly not inspiring. Can someone shed some light on why we're giving him a crack?
Stoked for Webb, he deserves another crack. Absolutely beautiful foot skills and fairly decent overhead would be his strongest points. At a team with a bit less midfield depth (i.e. Blues) I'm sure he can make it. We just have too many injury-prone midfielders and he's been on our list 5 years, so it made sense to move him on. For minimum wage and a 1 or 2 year contract (possibly even a rookie spot) the Blues will be laughing. Definitely worth the low risk gamble
 

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