Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion II

[djholmes]

Starting team next season:

B: Plowman-------------------Jones--------------------Marchbank

H: Docherty-----------------Weitering------------------Newman

C: Dow-----------------------Cripps---------------------O'Brien

H: Cuningham--------------C.Curnow------------------*Martin

F: *Betts--------------------McKay--------------------McGovern

Foll: Kreuzer, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Simpson, E.Curnow, SPS, Murphy

 

[Blue__Balls]

Starting team next season:

B: Plowman-------------------Jones--------------------Marchbank

H: Docherty-----------------Weitering------------------Newman

C: Dow-----------------------Cripps---------------------O'Brien

H: Cuningham--------------C.Curnow------------------*Martin

F: *Betts--------------------McKay--------------------McGovern

Foll: Kreuzer, Setterfield, Walsh

Bench: Simpson, E.Curnow, SPS, Murphy

Silvagni a big omission - his effort and ability to set teammates up for scoring shots was outstanding this year, and I can't see Teague wanting to leave him out.

Fisher missing is a bit of an eyebrow-raiser too. He underperformed a bit later in the season, so I can see why he might be on the edge in 2020, but I've got a feeling he'll bounce back in a big way next year.

Dow and O'Brien the two I'd drop to fit both in - subject to pre-season form of all four.

 

[Jeremias]

Fisher missing is a bit of an eyebrow-raiser too.

You're not at all familiar with DJ's work, are you?

 

[Blues_Man]

Dan Butler meeting with the Blues today ..be a handy pick up..what do you think ..a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder...is still only 23 and gives us a bit more pace in the forward half.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Dan Butler meeting with the Blues today ..be a handy pick up..what do you think ..a late 2nd or early 3rd rounder...is still only 23 and gives us a bit more pace in the forward half.

Less.

4th rounder or swap of thirds. He's worth peanuts and Richmond don't dick around trying to get overs for fringe players who want out.

 

[Blues_Man]

Less.

4th rounder or swap of thirds. He's worth peanuts and Richmond don't dick around trying to get overs for fringe players who want out.

Cheaper the better

 

[Faz 2000]

Yeh, at a third or fourth rounder Butler is an absolute no-brainer. Has performed the small forward role on an elite team better than anyone we have - even if he's not a world-beater, at that price he can bring us some energy, speed and at just 23yo has time to re-establish himself at the level. Small forwards are not usually *stars*, anyway. It's a role-player we need. A star would be a bonus.

 

[CJMB]

Less.

4th rounder or swap of thirds. He's worth peanuts and Richmond don't dick around trying to get overs for fringe players who want out.

They let Lloyd go to the dogs for pick 64, couldn't see Butler going for anything earlier than a 4th unless there's other pick swaps in our favour involved

 

[Opine]

Yeh, at a third or fourth rounder Butler is an absolute no-brainer. Has performed the small forward role on an elite team better than anyone we have - even if he's not a world-beater, at that price he can bring us some energy, speed and at just 23yo has time to re-establish himself at the level. Small forwards are not usually *stars*, anyway. It's a role-player we need. A star would be a bonus.

I agree with everything you’ve said, above; but wish you would’ve left out any reference to his current team being elite.

 

[Opine]

They let Lloyd go to the dogs for pick 64, couldn't see Butler going for anything earlier than a 4th unless there's other pick swaps in our favour involved

It’s because of Neil Balme. He doesn’t play hard ball with welfare of players; particularly those who aren’t getting a go. He’s a damn good operator; refer H Scotland trade to Blues while he was in charge at Pies.

 

[David C]

Yeh, at a third or fourth rounder Butler is an absolute no-brainer. Has performed the small forward role on an elite team better than anyone we have - even if he's not a world-beater, at that price he can bring us some energy, speed and at just 23yo has time to re-establish himself at the level. Small forwards are not usually *stars*, anyway. It's a role-player we need. A star would be a bonus.

Yeh, if you want Butler and he nominates Carlton then Richmond will make it happen without too much fuss. Watch the last quarter of the VFL match against Essendon last Saturday if you want to see him at his best. Reports are suggesting the Doggies are leading the chase for Martin. You'll probably have to pay overs to get Papley out of Sydney so I'd be surprised if that one happens. Good luck on your trade targets.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Yeah they did. If we can draft a better small forward than papely with pick 8 then we should do it.

Small forward is basically the only difference between us and brisbane. They have cameron, mccarthy, rayner and sometimes zorko while our best is cuningham who plays once every ice age.

But it all due respect to Brisbane they don’t have a curnow and McGovern next to a Mackay — with silvagni as the extra medium defensive forward — they need those smalls— we just need reliable crumbers — Richmond were based around riewolt so had to do what they did... WC just got a jackpot ..with Kennedy deterioration maybe they follow Richmond or target a key forward that’s why I surprised they would go heavy at kelly— if don she’d want to make way for kelly come to Carlton please

 

[Jeremias]

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=421336

Mick Agresta on the Road to the Draft podcast.

 

[Burgers45]

AFL greats at odds over Eddie Betts' mooted return to Carlton

“From a Carlton point of view, I don’t like it."

www.sen.com.au

 

[Stamos]

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=421336

Mick Agresta on the Road to the Draft podcast.

This is fantastic listening

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

Yeh, at a third or fourth rounder Butler is an absolute no-brainer. Has performed the small forward role on an elite team better than anyone we have - even if he's not a world-beater, at that price he can bring us some energy, speed and at just 23yo has time to re-establish himself at the level. Small forwards are not usually *stars*, anyway. It's a role-player we need. A star would be a bonus.

Agree i think he's a better option than martin given the price and what we need. Martin i think is a midfielder who can play forward (same as sam gray) while butler is a pure small forward.

 

[The Dominator7]

https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode?id=421336

Mick Agresta on the Road to the Draft podcast.

Thanks Jeremias that was really interesting.

...and for everyone else out there who argued back and forth over TDK and Fwd/Ruck or Ruck/Fwd, his best position or where we see him etc etc....we got the definitive and very short answer.

Mick Agresta “He’s a ruck”

 

[Opine]

Agresta’s comment, that there are more ruck prospects in this draft than in previous draft/s, is interesting; given that we need to broaden our future ruck stocks.

 

[windows1]

$900k x 4 years from the saints

How much more could you "UP' the dollar ?

As much as we ****inf feel like

 

[windows1]

read it again.......

**** me am I missing context again and again and again?

 

[Eiffel 65]

Agresta’s comment, that there are more ruck prospects in this draft than in previous draft/s, is interesting; given that we need to broaden our future ruck stocks.

Also really rated the brothers of a couple of our players.

The other thing to note is that he said the main difference between last year's draft and this year's draft is in the KPP's.

Don't think this draft is as bad as what some are making it out to be.

 

[Stamos]

Also really rated the brothers of a couple of our players.

The other thing to note is that he said the main difference between last year's draft and this year's draft is in the KPP's.

Don't think this draft is as bad as what some are making it out to be.

Sounds like not as strong, but it goes deep

 

[Opine]

Also really rated the brothers of a couple of our players.

The other thing to note is that he said the main difference between last year's draft and this year's draft is in the KPP's.

Don't think this draft is as bad as what some are making it out to be.

If I heard correctly, he said it was lacking depth in respect of KPP's, but plentiful insofar as mids.

 

[sregit]

Agree i think he's a better option than martin given the price and what we need. Martin i think is a midfielder who can play forward (same as sam gray) while butler is a pure small forward.

Butler can play midfield, he has pace to burn and is actually a smart little footballer. He actually needs more opportunity. Martin is overhyped and his price makes him a huge risk. Butler has a fair bit of upside and if you get him for a late pick I think you'll get a solid footballer cheap. He has only just played 50 games and had an injury interrupted start to his career. He's over that now and just unlucky to be out of the Richmond side at the wrong time.

I hope you don't get him because I don't want Richmond help you improve.

 

[ray8182]

Sounds like not as strong, but it goes deep

Top end not as strong as last year but may well be stronger in other areas.


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