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We can all see this list build coming together now, with the KPPs drafted first starting to look good at the level and the midfield depth developing well. To me clearly the things we’d benefit most from are 1) a genuine line-breaker clean-kicking outside player in the back half, and 2) a really good, goal-hungry small fwd who (ideally) could join midfield rotation.

To me that means the dream targets are a Whitfield and a Gresham. Neither are likely to be obtainable realistically, so who sits below them in the pecking order across the league who might be more gettable?

Shopping list:

Whitfield (dream get)
Lloyd
Witherden
Salem
Crisp
Milera
Williams

Gresham (dream get)
Papley
Fantasia
Higgins
Rioli
Josh Thomas

Not suggesting these folks are available, but I think this is the start of SOS shopping list. And if it can’t be bought, is this where we draft next? A Gryan Miers would be pretty freakin handy right now.
 

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Darcy Parish dropped again.

I'd be circling him. Has the potential to be an elite wingman. Out of contract at the end of the year.

Still believe he would be a perfect replacement for Murphy.
Parish doesn't have the pace or skill to be an effective outside mid at AFL level.

He's an inside mid who is a decent tackler and clearance player but doesn't have the size to compete at a consistent level in that position.

Essendon aren't doing him any favours at the moment but he's a bog ordinary footballer who doesn't have the weapons of a Murphy or a Billings who are or have been light years ahead of him as a footballer.

He'll probably look elsewhere at the end of this year and good luck to any club who pays the hefty price Essendon will slap on him. I'd take him at Carlton because he's young enough to make it but I'm certainly not giving up much to get him.
 

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Just a bit of info about Shai Bolton guys, He is not a small foward but more a high HF / Mid/Wing

so in relation to looking at him as the small pressure foward or mercurial small foward pocket like a betts dont think he would be the player that would suit

He is also rated very highly at richmond and we wouldnt want to lose him, He was dropped due to not having a big enough tank and the 4 day break but speaking with people who are connected to the club Shai is very highly rated.
 
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I remember you being the first to draw attention to the all new Liam Jones morphing in the reserves a few seasons ago so your comments this week re the young Collingwood reserves ruckman pricked my interest.
It seems others in attendance at the reserves last week also noticed the performance of Max Lynch, no doubt our recruiting staff also took note and he appears to tick a lot of boxes of need for Carlton.
As this season is his last contracted rookie year at the woods , how and what do you see as being needed to lure him to Princes Park ?
I don't know Red Bull. I do think he has another year of a rookie contract to go though.
It's just that his qualities stood out and more so for our needs. If it was just another quality mid I wouldn't be excited. If it was a small forward I thought would fit into our list, then I would be.

This sounds rightly silly, but I saw him in Navy Blue. Almost like I thought that SOS is going hard for him and that's after me saying that we don't need ruckmen this year. Saw him and it changed my mind immediately. That's not to say he's a star in the making but he just looked.... Right for us.
 
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I don't know Red Bull. I do think he has another year of a rookie contract to go though.
It's just that his qualities stood out and more so for our needs. If it was just another quality mid I wouldn't be excited. If it was a small forward I thought would fit into our list, then I would be.

This sounds rightly silly, but I saw him in Navy Blue. Almost like I thought that SOS is going hard for him and that's after me saying that we don't need ruckmen this year. Saw him and it changed my mind immediately. That's not to say he's a star in the making but he just looked.... Right for us.
According to Footywire, Lynch is out of contract at the end of this year. He's been on their rookie list for 3 years.
Don't know the rules regarding uncontracted rookies at the end of the year....whether we could pick him up as a dfa, or would need to trade.
He was bloody impressive though.
 
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Lachie Whitfield, Brad Crouch, Jack Viney are slated to become Free Agents next year.

Given the trend of trading them a year earlier to maximise return, it wouldn’t surprise me if one these players was a target for Adelaide’s pick.
Whitfield is everything we need!
 
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Parish doesn't have the pace or skill to be an effective outside mid at AFL level.

He's an inside mid who is a decent tackler and clearance player but doesn't have the size to compete at a consistent level in that position.

Essendon aren't doing him any favours at the moment but he's a bog ordinary footballer who doesn't have the weapons of a Murphy or a Billings who are or have been light years ahead of him as a footballer.

He'll probably look elsewhere at the end of this year and good luck to any club who pays the hefty price Essendon will slap on him. I'd take him at Carlton because he's young enough to make it but I'm certainly not giving up much to get him.
I must be the only person here who rates Parish :think:

He's an outside mid with good running capacity. Essendon aren't doing him any favours because he's playing inside the contest more often than not.

A pick around 30 would get the job done. He's out of contract.

Also, he's not as slow as what some say he is. He's not quick off the mark but his top speed is alright.
 
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I must be the only person here who rates Parish :think:

He's an outside mid with good running capacity. Essendon aren't doing him any favours because he's playing inside the contest more often than not.

A pick around 30 would get the job done. He's out of contract.

Also, he's not as slow as what some say he is. He's not quick off the mark but his top speed is alright.
How did you rate his game today? I thought he was terrible.
 

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I must be the only person here who rates Parish :think:

He's an outside mid with good running capacity. Essendon aren't doing him any favours because he's playing inside the contest more often than not.

A pick around 30 would get the job done. He's out of contract.

Also, he's not as slow as what some say he is. He's not quick off the mark but his top speed is alright.
He's got the nick graham's.
 

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I must be the only person here who rates Parish :think:

He's an outside mid with good running capacity. Essendon aren't doing him any favours because he's playing inside the contest more often than not.

A pick around 30 would get the job done. He's out of contract.

Also, he's not as slow as what some say he is. He's not quick off the mark but his top speed is alright.
Need to be damaging to make it as an outside mid, either through run and carry or sublime disposal. Parish doesn't have that element to his game. You're going to have to produce an elite thesis to prove to me that he isn't ass. :p
 

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After watching Collingwood Essendon today, I’d have to say I am glad we didn’t get Shiel last year - under pressure in a big game his use of the ball was consistently bad.
Here here. Never did and glad we didn't. Needs to be going much much higher that 59% de. Think thats 3 games this year in the 50s. Nothing over 75% if i remember correctly.
 
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Here here. Never did and glad we didn't. Needs to be going much much higher that 59% de. Think thats 3 games this year in the 50s. Nothing over 75% if i remember correctly.
It’s a hard stat to judge because it works against people who kick a lot or actually try and be truly “effective” with their kicks, not just chip sideways. That’s what hurts Shiel and why Weitering only went at 63% last week. Dusty is another player who suffers from it.
 
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It's not hindsight drafting at all.

We had gaps to fill that are still clearly there today and we haven't even tried to fill them at worst, via the rookie draft.
I know I've said this many times over, but isn't it clear that this is the case and isn't it clear that no defence stands up?

Yes, Stack is someone we could have done with, but even take that name out of the equation, where has our willingness been in trying to find speedy players and goal-kickers. It's about types and in the past two years, we've completely ignored them for the sake of recycled players that have come to naught.

Why is LeBois still on the list three years later, even after showing next to nothing and being inured for a large part of the time? Why? It's because he's a type we could do with, so what's happened in the past two years for us to go the path we've taken via DFA's and Rookies? Experience for the sake of experience doesn't count, when one doesn't really want to put in as was the case with some of those guys who were ousted after one year on the roster.

There may be a reason for it, but I can't see how it could possibly be a good one...and please; None of this 'we can't do everything in only a few years' stuff.
If that's the argument, one's missed the point.
We drafted Gallucci and LeBois as rookies in the first two years so we didn't completely ignore it. We also traded in players who we incorrectly believed could play that role. I Ihink it was fine to overlook it for a year (third) and back in who we had, which you have to do with any specialist positions.

Last year though was a huge mistake to not address it given no one on our list had shown any real promise. The fact that we spent the preseason training Ed, Polson and Gibson in a role foreign to them shows we identified the position as a clear issue for the team, making our decision to ignore it in the draft even more perplexing.

It will quickly be forgotten if we address it this year, but I don't agree with the general sentiment I've seen that it is the last piece of the puzzle. Having a quality pressure forward that can snag goals is a must these days, and would greatly help the development of the side.
 
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We can all see this list build coming together now, with the KPPs drafted first starting to look good at the level and the midfield depth developing well. To me clearly the things we’d benefit most from are 1) a genuine line-breaker clean-kicking outside player in the back half, and 2) a really good, goal-hungry small fwd who (ideally) could join midfield rotation.

To me that means the dream targets are a Whitfield and a Gresham. Neither are likely to be obtainable realistically, so who sits below them in the pecking order across the league who might be more gettable?

Shopping list:

Whitfield (dream get)
Lloyd
Witherden
Salem
Crisp
Milera
Williams

Gresham (dream get)
Papley
Fantasia
Higgins
Rioli
Josh Thomas

Not suggesting these folks are available, but I think this is the start of SOS shopping list. And if it can’t be bought, is this where we draft next? A Gryan Miers would be pretty freakin handy right now.
There's a few running defenders and small forwards in the top end of this years draft. If we can't trade one, then draft one.

Jack Martin will be the small forward to watch with interest. If Gold Coast drop off and only win around 4 games, he may request a trade.

Said it a few months ago but I reckon Darcy Tucker from the Dockers would be a great replacement as a running defender. He's not going to be a superstar but he'll be able to cover for Simmo's retirement no problems. Out of contract at the end of the year too.

I would suggest Ed Langdon but his kicking can be dodgy at times.

Dan Butler is one to watch. Could be out of favour come the end of the year.
 
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We can all see this list build coming together now, with the KPPs drafted first starting to look good at the level and the midfield depth developing well. To me clearly the things we’d benefit most from are 1) a genuine line-breaker clean-kicking outside player in the back half, and 2) a really good, goal-hungry small fwd who (ideally) could join midfield rotation.

To me that means the dream targets are a Whitfield and a Gresham. Neither are likely to be obtainable realistically, so who sits below them in the pecking order across the league who might be more gettable?

Shopping list:

Whitfield (dream get)
Lloyd
Witherden
Salem
Crisp
Milera
Williams

Gresham (dream get)
Papley
Fantasia
Higgins
Rioli
Josh Thomas

Not suggesting these folks are available, but I think this is the start of SOS shopping list. And if it can’t be bought, is this where we draft next? A Gryan Miers would be pretty freakin handy right now.
Oh, and if North have a terrible year and wield the axe, lets just wait and see what happens to Jy Simpkin. He's handy across half forward :)
 
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