Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[gardiner stand]

You think Williamson lines up round 1?

Depends on his conditioning and form but he’ll be in the 22 early on in the season

 

[Toddski]

Very content with our period of trade and drafting but I'm concerned about our lack of speed and tenacity.

New rule changes will favour the teams with line breakers and I struggle to see ours in the short term. Bombers have Saad, Fantasia, Shiel, McKenna, Tippa. Who do we have?

We have some great runners now in LOB and Walsh but I'm concerned we are missing express pace. If only Yaz wasn't a basket case... we have missed him a lot.

Any one have an opinion on this?

 

[CJMB]

This is the best 22 team that SOS has put together for our long term success...

Docherty Macreade Weitering
Plowman Marchbank Williamson
Walsh Cripps Settlefield
JSilvagni McKay CCurnow
McGoven Kerr Petrovski-Seton
DeKoning Kennedy Fisher
O’Brien Stocker Polson Cuningham

Pretty sure Dow gets a game. Also I wouldn’t be that keen on playing all of Charlie, Mitch, Harry, Pat and Jack in the same forward line.

Considering current listed players only, I’d be thinking more along the lines of this:

FB: Plowman, Macreadie, Marchbank
HB: Docherty, Weitering, Williamson
C: Walsh, Cripps, O’Brien
HF: McGovern, Curnow, Petrevski-Seton
FF: Polson, McKay, Fisher
FOL: De Koning, Dow, Setterfield
INT: Kennedy, Stocker, Cuningham, Pickett

Depending on who’s still on the list, EMG from: Kerr, Lang, Silvagni x 2, Schumacher, Garlett, O’Dwyer, LeBois, Owies, Goddard, Newman, Fasolo, any new players, etc

Reasonable spread of positions in that emg list, except we should add another ruckman next year, would guess that only one of Phillips or Lobbe are still with us come 2020.


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[Blues_fest]

First time in forever the best 22 is hard to fit in actual best 22 quality. Right now this would be my dream team.

Moving forward (if all play to potential) all I see is stocker works his way into team, tdk takes kruze if/when injured , and we find a Rioli in 2019 to replace faz.

Otherwise this can be 90% our premiership team

2019 POTENTIAL TEAM

Docherty Weitering Pickett
Plowman Marchbank Williamson

Walsh Cripps Murph
Kruze Kennedy Dow

Fish CCurnow Cuningham
McGoven McKay Fasolo


O’Brien, SPS, Setterfield E curnow

Emergency: stocker, Tdk, daisy , polson, macreadie,


Contentious picks:

Pickett off hb as line breaker and small def (obv has to earn but not a forward imo and elite speed on hbf so crucial these days against the press)

Cuningham great shot for goal and speed ( finally not expected to be getting 20+, just impact and pressure)

Pros:
-Elite speed on each line
-Skills
-Midfield running power
-McGovern the swing if injury down back.

Cons:
-Both pickett, Cuningham only there on potential. If they don’t come on stocker, daisy, Newman or polson instead
-Is Kennedy’s ankle going to be full health. Can’t afford a long term injury that reduces his speed.
-Our list is just short an elite, dangerous small forward like Eddie.. i would go hard for rioli if avail.

THANKYOU SOS




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[Jimmae]

Stocker will be the interesting one as they'll need to tailor a fitness program to take his endurance to the next level, so it might be the 2nd half of the season before we see him in the seniors.

I think the way he plays around the contests is so smart that he can play 70-75% game time splitting between midfield and resting forward, and have a real impact.

He knows how to pace himself to finish out matches stronger than most, and has apparently already upped his training regiment since the combine.

 

[BlueView]

Very content with our period of trade and drafting but I'm concerned about our lack of speed and tenacity.

New rule changes will favour the teams with line breakers and I struggle to see ours in the short term. Bombers have Saad, Fantasia, Shiel, McKenna, Tippa. Who do we have?

We have some great runners now in LOB and Walsh but I'm concerned we are missing express pace. If only Yaz wasn't a basket case... we have missed him a lot.

Any one have an opinion on this?

Fingers crossed SPS and Fisher can provide in this regard, SPS form this year will play a pivotal role in our fortunes imo

If he gets super fit and we’re able to play through him consistently he could be real damaging. Here’s hoping anyway

 

[bmaurizio]

Pickett, if he's determined to play footy has Lightning strait line speed. Garlett ain't no slouch either.

 

[bmaurizio]

I think the way he plays around the contests is so smart that he can play 70-75% game time splitting between midfield and resting forward, and have a real impact.

He knows how to pace himself to finish out matches stronger than most, and has apparently already upped his training regiment since the combine.

Agree this lad is another ripper, mature skilled, a bull at contest ,competitive his bust speed is a treat too.
Upright youngster in a position we were weakest in , We done Silvagni and team.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Total list turnover, matching like for like as is possible:

Ciaran Byrne (ret) > Nic Newman
Jesse Glass-McCasker (del) > Hugh Goddard
Nick Graham (del) > Liam Stocker
Sam Kerridge (del) > Will Setterfield
Jed Lamb (del) > Tom Bugg
Cillian McDaid (ret) > Matt Owies
Aaron Mullett (del) > Empty List Spot
Cameron O'Shea (del) > Finbar O' Dwyer
Sam Rowe (del) > Mitch McGovern
Matthew Shaw (del) > Sam Walsh
Alex Silvagni (ret) > Ben Silvagni
Matthew Wright (ret) > Alex Fasolo

 

[Juddalenko]

Just looked back at the team for the final game against Adelaide. I’m counting about 10-12 changes to that team for Round 1 against Richmond.

2019 Carlton personnel will be vastly different to 2018 IMO. And probably more importantly - another preseason older.

 

[Blue and Blue]

To add to the talk on the newly drafted midfielders
We know what we get with Walsh. A classy non stop ball winner and all the perks. No 1 for a reason.
But I am so excited about Stocker. The lad is good and has the composure. A bit of argey bargey too if you don't mind.
Not arrogant but confident, and ethical about football and life, same as Walsh. Two beauties.

 

[PrinceCharles]

You think Williamson lines up round 1?

Round 1 will line up for Williamson, if it's lucky.

 

[ETET]

To add to the talk on the newly drafted midfielders
We know what we get with Walsh. A classy non stop ball winner and all the perks. No 1 for a reason.
But I am so excited about Stocker. The lad is good and has the composure. A bit of argey bargey too if you don't mind.
Not arrogant but confident, and ethical about football and life, same as Walsh. Two beauties.

I think we have got a better list sure... my worry is that we will not have the team to deliver the wins next year. All clubs will feel they have improved their list apart from GC. I am just a little concerned we may not have the players to deliver the win.. yet.

We lost a lot of games last year and we have recruited great kids but they will not have much impact first year vs men. We have bought in some journey men in Fasolo.. etc..and some good talent in McGovern. When we compare our round 23 team vs next years 1st we can say it is much better. It it should be, that team was mauled.

I can’t say next year is not going to be another year of 3 goals losses. I think the kids will get there but I think next year will be very tough again. Others have improved their lists and one could argue with match winners.. Freo, Lions, North..before everyone goes off and says our kids are better, yes but kids especially in the mid field are vulnerable.

Here’s hoping but when I look through the draw I would love to be able to lock the wins in but I think that is another couple of years away for me.

Ps Willo will be in our 5 most valuable players next year.

 

[Blue and Blue]

I think we have got a better list sure... my worry is that we will not have the team to deliver the wins next year. All clubs will feel they have improved their list apart from GC. I am just a little concerned we may not have the players to deliver the win.. yet.

We lost a lot of games last year and we have recruited great kids but they will not have much impact first year vs men. We have bought in some journey men in Fasolo.. etc..and some good talent in McGovern. When we compare our round 23 team vs next years 1st we can say it is much better. It it should be, that team was mauled.

I can’t say next year is not going to be another year of 3 goals losses. I think the kids will get there but I think next year will be very tough again. Others have improved their lists and one could argue with match winners.. Freo, Lions, North..before everyone goes off and says our kids are better, yes but kids especially in the mid field are vulnerable.

Here’s hoping but when I look through the draw I would love to be able to lock the wins in but I think that is another couple of years away for me.

Ps Willo will be in our 5 most valuable players next year.

I don't know if our list translates to wins yet ETET. Nobody does. I certainly think the team on paper is far better. Still inexperienced yes but the upside is also in the delistings not just the additions to the squad. I see a few goals improvement just in that alone.Then theres the development of the third and fourth year players, return of Docherty and Kreuzer fit and Williamson playing to that potential. I think now is the time when we can and should be optimistic. We may be brought back to earth, however I am still not ready to judge them only on wins and losses. For now its all rosy and blue skies ahead.

 

[bmaurizio]

The way I look at it Silvagni has been superb and methodical.

Midfield Walsh, Stocker & Setterfield all mature and professional A graders.
Forward line, Bugg, McGcovern & Fasolo experience and XFactor more fire power, I think we’ll kick over 100 pts.
Defense strengthened with Goddard & Newman
Great work

 

[Pafloyul]

We need BOSS to develop into the 2020s version of his father (Long-shot, I know) or poach Ben King down the track, need to find the next Brad Pierce but with more longevity... need a Grant Birchall type half back flanker with some speed (Macreadie a chance?) and also a quality young ruckman.

 

[pinot]

There is nothing left to cut its all about trimming now and bringing in ready made players with first round picks and draft kids with 2nd + 3rd round and allowing them to develop appropriately. I think from this stage we will see about 5 list changes per year.

 

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

There is nothing left to cut its all about trimming now and bringing in ready made players with first round picks and draft kids with 2nd + 3rd round and allowing them to develop appropriately. I think from this stage we will see about 5 list changes per year.

agree totally 4/5 changes next year trade in a high end quality player with first round/s maybe a free agent and 2 kids in the draft If Simmo has another great season surely he'll go on so maybe Casboult Lobbe Thomas are the no brainers I'd like to see us get into the club a classy medium forward another young ruckman a small defender as well as one or two of Kelly Coniglio Martin

 

[The Smoking Gun]

I like what the Crows did. Clearly no burning desire for a certain player/type so facilitated trades for teams who did - simply accumulating draft capital.

On the same token, I also like that Carlton and GWS got involved in the live trading to target players they really wanted. That alone takes some balls, and given how new live trading is & potentially advantageous if you really like a player, shapes as a high-risk high-reward type move.

Cherry-picked comparisons to NBA are laughably ignorant and pretty much sum up why 90% of BigFooty is utter trash. Trading up and down happens very frequently in the NFL and there are countless examples when it works one way, and countless examples where it works the other way.

It requires a different perspective on how valuable a draftee is - evidently, many just look at the pick number and blindly use that. But what’s more important is how good you think a player is and to be even more specific, how you think he will perform at your club. In the specific example of Stocker, SOS is as privy to all the info and speculation about next year as any. That includes the players likely to be available in next year’s draft - he understands the opportunity cost.

It also includes Bolton’s plans for the team, where he sees deficiencies, areas he wants to focus on, etc. so clearly he sees something he likes.

I assume that after Carlton’s 50 #1 picks no one can seriously say ANOTHER year of the exact same strategy, in 12 months time, is the way to go. In fact, SOS & Bolts have been explicit since 2015 about the planned stages of the rebuild and this is exactly in line with that. Sometimes you have a vision for your side and you need to make moves to execute it. May fail but there’s enough there to get me excited. I’m all for it

I may not agree with what you regarding our approach to the Rookie Draft, but this is an absolutely cracking post. Spot on in every element.

 

[No1Suspect]

So no Sam Fish from the NBs?

 

[thylacine60]

Pickett, if he's determined to play footy has Lightning strait line speed. Garlett ain't no slouch either.

did I hear andy walker is no longer in a support role to our indigenous players?

 

[The Smoking Gun]

did I hear andy walker is no longer in a support role to our indigenous players?

Wasn't there last year either.

So no Sam Fish from the NBs?

Nope.

 

[The Bighouse]

did I hear andy walker is no longer in a support role to our indigenous players?

Moved back to Echuca and a P/T role was requested IIRC, not granted.

 

[No1Suspect]

Disappointing

 

[thylacine60]

you wonder if he might have made a little difference for pickett - can't hold a bloke's hand in the world of professional sport but the club initially believed the role was important enough to be created - why wasn't walker replaced then?