Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[The Bighouse]

Surely this season has shown that our priority need is a competitive back up or if available primary ruck. I love Kruez and what he has done as much as anyone, but he has at times this year moved into the liability area far too often.
6 6 6 has increased the importance of first hands in the contest and fact is K is undersized and doesn’t jump like he once did.
I am not suggesting we put MK out to pasture, rather we lighten the load and bring in quality support that can stand up when he cannot.


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Hmmm, perhaps we unleash a combo of MK & TDK...
TDK would have likely been getting games this year if not for his knee injury. It’s what he shows at AFL level as a ruck that’ll be interesting.

 

[goreds]

Hmmm, perhaps we unleash a combo of MK & TDK...
TDK would have likely been getting games this year if not for his knee injury. It’s what he shows at AFL level as a ruck that’ll be interesting.

Here’s a question that’s being thrown around by a few that matter...

 

[gbatman]

The knee injury to TDK was a real pain, I'm sure he would be playing games this year. IMO he may be young but is well ahead of development. Genuine footballer who also happens to be a ruckman. Dominated a VFL game a couple of weeks ago in the ruck then was left to languish in the forward line.

We don't need to spend big on a ruck, use what we have left to get what's available, the ruck we get will likely be short term or a backup.

TDK only has to have a really good preseason and he will push really hard for a game next season.

 

[The Bighouse]

^^^opportunity is all that is required sometimes...O’Brien at ADL is a perfect example.
Stefan Martin, Nankervis etc etc as the mature type post a move.
TDK is young however but Grundy played pretty regular AFL footy from a young age. Black belt though IIRC, helps for the mental battle, especially in a ruck role.

 

[gbatman]

^^^opportunity is all that is required sometimes...O’Brien at ADL is a perfect example.
Stefan Martin, Nankervis etc etc as the mature type post a move.
TDK is young however but Grundy played pretty regular AFL footy from a young age. Black belt though IIRC, helps for the mental battle, especially in a ruck role.

TDK is a bit of a Grundy type, genuine footballer and excellent mover. Grundy is more the exception than the rule, he's one of the best rucks I've seen.

Honestly I think it's going to be all about opportunity. He might struggle in the one on ones with around the ground stuff but Kreuzer struggles at the around the ground stuff against the top level rucks already.

DeKoning is not a permanent forward and we don't need one. Quite capable of playing a forward role but his future is not there.

I believe if we are recruiting a ruck it is someone who is a backup to Kreuzer and DeKoning.

I'd love to see TDK fit and released into the ruck at AFL level to see what he can do. Kreuzer staying fit for most of the year and TDK doing a knee means that seeing that this season is unlikely.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

TDK should be a ripper going on his potential and what he's shown so far at the lower levels.

The issue we have is that Krooz probably doesn't have longevity on the wrong side of 30, Lobbe more than likely retiring at season end, AP adequate at best as a back up, and Levi as a makeshift ruckman also 30 next year...if he's still with us.

But we can't rely on one player with hope to carry us through into the future.....we desperately need to find/develop another ruck like a Lynch or Cameron while we still have Krooz carrying the load.

 

[windows1]

Tippa over-rating is rife here.

Very good player, sure, but inconsistent as any and 27 next year. He's a player I'd trade for if our window was open right here right now, but that isn't the case.

I’m open. I’m open! Kick it to me!

 

[Stiffler's Dad]

Frampton as well

Frampton would come alive if he came to the Blues.

 

[Robbo's my hero]

Frampton would come alive if he came to the Blues.

If he came good Port would have to eat humble pie.

 

[ferrisb]

Walsh has trade value. We have too many (surplus) gun kids. He’s expendable. Get rid of him.

Easily replaced. I mean kids like him come around every couple of .... Generations....

 

[ferrisb]

Pretty ironic seeing Huawei handing out a red card.....

 

[HARKER]

What are they worth? Kelly, Coniglio, Martin and all the top trade targets

Further to the value of players - Here's an article that's just popped up on the AFL website.
Anyone find it interesting that JSilvagni is rated to be the cheapest get from this group?

 

[Dravid's in]

What are they worth? Kelly, Coniglio, Martin and all the top trade targets

Further to the value of players - Here's an article that's just popped up on the AFL website.
Anyone find it interesting that JSilvagni is rated to be the cheapest get from this group?

Not going to go through them all, but Mitch should take his suggestion of a late second rounder for Nick Larkey to the Nth board and so how little love comes his way!

 

[bigdog43]

What are they worth? Kelly, Coniglio, Martin and all the top trade targets

Further to the value of players - Here's an article that's just popped up on the AFL website.
Anyone find it interesting that JSilvagni is rated to be the cheapest get from this group?

Not really. Jack has still only played about 3/4 good games in his career. We would certainly rate him higher internally than what any club would be willing to pay so I doubt he moves.

 

[Faz 2000]

Papley is worth more than AMT and we should prioritise a pursuit of him.

No way we move on Silvagni as he's just starting to establish himself at the level. He's young, improving, and that's just poor asset management to sell now.

A developing ruckman is almost a must, I think. God knows what Preuss was thinking last year - he should have come to Carlton not somewhere that has an AA ruckman in his prime. ROB from Adelaide would be sharp buying if available. People far more informed than I have also mentioned a youngster at the Pies who won't get a look in behind Grundy. Those are the right sort of places to be looking.

 

[Juddernaut08]

What are they worth? Kelly, Coniglio, Martin and all the top trade targets

Further to the value of players - Here's an article that's just popped up on the AFL website.
Anyone find it interesting that JSilvagni is rated to be the cheapest get from this group?

No, happy for our players to be underrated.

What surprised me/disappointed me was no papley mentioned!

 

[bluebunz]

Some interesting names listed in in that AFL.com article - some that haven't been discussed around here.

What are your thoughts on the following? (these all address some deficiencies in our team):

Ed Langdon (HBF - unreliable disposal?)

Zak Jones (Super hard nut defender with pace)

Mason Redman (Small defender with dash)

Bailey Williams (HBFer)

Riley Bonner (Small backman with a cannon-like foot)

Brayden Sier (big-bodied mid)

Aiden Bonar (Super talent starved of opportunity at Giants)

 

[Blue__Balls]

Melbourne midfield taking a hammering at the moment would like to shake a mid free. Petracca or oliver would be handy additions.

Need to look over their list with a view to what we actually need.

Ruckman - Gawn, Preuss
Outside pace - Hunt, Salem, Stretch, Baker
Small defender - Fritsch, Kolodjashnij
Small forward - Sparrow, Neal-Bullen, Hannan, Spargo, Bedford
More mids - Oliver, Brayshaw, Viney, Petracca, Harmes

Too old: Jones, Lewis, Hibberd, Garlett, Jetta
Wrong position: McDonald, other McDonald, May, Lever, Weideman, Hore, Petty, Frost
Too shit: Wagner, Smith, Kennedy-Harris, Vandenberg
Who?: Nietschke, Jordon
**** off!: Melksham

Petracca is an interesting proposition. Probably one of those players that was drafted with a view to him becoming a mid, but it doesn't look like happening. If he was better a ground level I think he could work for us, but we've got a stack of marking targets already and that's pretty much his go now. Actually think Matt Kennedy is going past him as a forward/mid if we persist in that space.

In most cases, Harmes would be the mid I'd target in that group, but we've already got Ed in that niche role and he has a few more really good years in him.

Can't see either ruckman shaking loose.

The small defenders are more small-ish interceptors/rebounders, which we have a few of already.

I'd be looking to squeeze one of the runners out, along with a small forward.

Hunt or Salem would complement our list pretty well, and I like Neal-Bullen or Hannan as mature bodied small pressure forwards (either would be a reasonable consolation if Papley didn't happen).

 

[Soapy V]

Karl Amon out of contract at Port and doesn't have an offer. Been good this year and heaps of upside at 23.

 

[Pafloyul]

Still think with the 'small pressure forward' situation we are fixated on symptoms a bit too much instead of the cause. My intuition is greater than my observational skills but I have an inkling that having more and better options further up the ground will improve our game plan and will change the way we view our forward set up. I think we are thinking too much how things stand at the moment instead of where we need them to be. So, with that in mind, I disagree with the 'resting midfielders need not apply' sentiment expressed in another thread. I'm not saying we don't trade for small forwards at all, I just think we should be economical and very deliberate in the way we go about it and that it be in tangent with other priorities.

 

[Mr_Plow]

Still think with the 'small pressure forward' situation we are fixated on symptoms a bit too much instead of the cause. My intuition is greater than my observational skills but I have an inkling that having more and better options further up the ground will improve our game plan and will change the way we view our forward set up. I think we are thinking too much how things stand at the moment instead of where we need them to be. So, with that in mind, I disagree with the 'resting midfielders need not apply' sentiment expressed in another thread. I'm not saying we don't trade for small forwards at all, I just think we should be economical and very deliberate in the way we go about it and that it be in tangent with other priorities.

Further to this point, whom shall we target, if anybody?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Still think with the 'small pressure forward' situation we are fixated on symptoms a bit too much instead of the cause. My intuition is greater than my observational skills but I have an inkling that having more and better options further up the ground will improve our game plan and will change the way we view our forward set up. I think we are thinking too much how things stand at the moment instead of where we need them to be. So, with that in mind, I disagree with the 'resting midfielders need not apply' sentiment expressed in another thread. I'm not saying we don't trade for small forwards at all, I just think we should be economical and very deliberate in the way we go about it and that it be in tangent with other priorities.

We've certainly got some mids who can rotate through there and be effective.

Still think we need a starting 22 small forward specialist. Someone who makes defenders panic when the ball spills into space.

I think a player like that complements our talls well and improves the balance of the forward line.

 

[thylacine60]

^^^opportunity is all that is required sometimes...O’Brien at ADL is a perfect example.
Stefan Martin, Nankervis etc etc as the mature type post a move.
TDK is young however but Grundy played pretty regular AFL footy from a young age. Black belt though IIRC, helps for the mental battle, especially in a ruck role.

what position did TDK play his junior footy at the stingrays?

 

[Juddernaut08]

what position did TDK play his junior footy at the stingrays?

Likely KPP or Ruck

 

[The Bighouse]

what position did TDK play his junior footy at the stingrays?

Good point - forward if I was to say but seems he was a ruckman. Kicked a bag of 9 goals as a 16yo vs the Northern Knights.
Nickname also Bongy...