Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

[true blue19]

So I think the list is really starting to look better.

If we take a conservative look at the Best 22:

B: Newman, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Fisher, Cripps, Murphy
HF: Petrevski-Seton, C. Curnow, Thomas
F: Fasolo, H. Mckay, McGovern
R: Kreuzer, Kennedy, Dow

I/C: Setterfield, O'Brien, E. Curnow, Williamson

And the Reserves:

B: Schumacher, Jones, MacReadie
HB: B. Silvagni, Goddard, Garlett
C: Walsh, Stocker, Bugg
HF: Polon, Kerr, J. Silvagni
F: Pickett, Casboult, De Koning,
R: Lobbe, Lang, Cuningham,

I/C: Phillips, Le Bois, Owies, O'Dwyer

Obviously a lot of water to go under the bridge, and I have tended to select players with a bit more polish into the senior side and no draftees.

My guess is that by the end of the pre-season, players like Walsh will be in the Best 22 and Bugg will be the go to pressure forward.

I have selected Fasolo, primarily because there isn't a good back-up goal sneak who has the same sort of scoreboard impact. If his defensive pressure isn't to standard, I can see him missing.

That is a very solid team and I really like the defence. The only changes I would make is move Thomas to the bench, Bugg in the forward line and Setterfield to the reserves. It's not that I don't rate Setterfield it's just I think 2019 should be able getting his body right and fitness back. As for Bugg and Fasolo I think they complement each other and are the Yin yang of our forward line. I'm also hoping JSOS has a big preseason and improves his endurance and has a massive 2019.

 

[slashin_velvet]

Agree. I have said it all along that if you finished 12th and up, you would take Rankin at 1. If Rankin fulfils his potential, his ceiling is higher than Walsh. Walsh is a safe bet that is almost a guaranteed gun. Rankin is highly probably to becoming a superstar.

Not sure I agree with "highly probable" - particularly at the gc.

He has the talent and potential to be the best player in the draft, however the environment he starts his career in will have a large impact. He said in interviews that he was happy to play interstate, yet the talk was the he wanted the crows to draft him.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

Eh I didn't read it that way. GWS just reckon Rankine was better at 1, remember that's for them. Their midfield is stacked. They'd be looking at cream type players like Rankine. Later their list manager basically praised our trade for Stocker. Don't think it's a negative or agenda based article.

Yeah, I was probably over-reacting a bit. The GWS list manager is entitled to his point of view on what HE would have done. I'm sure every list manager would have had their own strategy and would not all have made the same choices as SOS did.
I was more annoyed at the media using quotes like this to sh!t-stir. I shouldn't have fallen for it.

 

[F_therest]

So I think the list is really starting to look better.

If we take a conservative look at the Best 22:

B: Newman, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Fisher, Cripps, Murphy
HF: Petrevski-Seton, C. Curnow, Thomas
F: Fasolo, H. Mckay, McGovern
R: Kreuzer, Kennedy, Dow

I/C: Setterfield, O'Brien, E. Curnow, Williamson

And the Reserves:

B: Schumacher, Jones, MacReadie
HB: B. Silvagni, Goddard, Garlett
C: Walsh, Stocker, Bugg
HF: Polon, Kerr, J. Silvagni
F: Pickett, Casboult, De Koning,
R: Lobbe, Lang, Cuningham,

I/C: Phillips, Le Bois, Owies, O'Dwyer

Obviously a lot of water to go under the bridge, and I have tended to select players with a bit more polish into the senior side and no draftees.

My guess is that by the end of the pre-season, players like Walsh will be in the Best 22 and Bugg will be the go to pressure forward.

I have selected Fasolo, primarily because there isn't a good back-up goal sneak who has the same sort of scoreboard impact. If his defensive pressure isn't to standard, I can see him missing.

Our list is looking pretty good now on paper, though obviously still a bit young.

I mean i read your best 22 and thought it made sense, then i looked at the reserves team and there's still some good names in there who will definitely play some AFL football next year.

 

[Blubagger71]

FWIW I've been giving this a bit of thought.

I specifically refer to Bolts comments to Stocker immediately after he was selected.

Along the lines of "you're a competitor- and that's what we love about you".

Are Bolts and SOS concerned they have a few too many guys that aren't "competitors"? I.e. Pickett, Garlett, SPS, BSOS, Levi, etc and want more mongrel in the team.

It seemed an unusual comment to make to a new high pick recruit.

So BSOS has had two training days and hasn't faced a single even VFL opponent in anger yet he has no mongrel? OK then...

 

[HARKER]

The CFC only have 2 genuine quality players in that critical ~24-28 age bracket that have played 50 games or more.
They're both at the younger age of the bracket and also happen to be our captains.
Plowman and Jones are debatable but whichever way, we're very skinny in this area.

This alone shows up where our list is at and what it really needs by way of age profile.
If youth is on the agenda this next trade/draft period, we may well be doing it wrong...which we won't be.

 

[Soapy V]

I'm happy with what we got.. grass is not always greener!

Bloody Oath. If after this season I was told we would get McGovern Setterfield Newman Fasolo BSOS, 2 of the best young mids in the draft plus some better mature players, AND lost no one of significance I would have taken it and run.

This is on top of making Cripps & Doc Captains, getting Lloyd AND Russell which is significant in its timing. This is after 2-3 very good trade/draft periods previously.

Could not be happier with how we have gone. Go Blues

 

[gbatman]

DeKoning may not be your typical late developing tall. I expect him to play games this season even. He's got a strong body for his age and an extra level of mobility a lot of rucks don't have. Questions will be over his strength at boundary throw-ins. Will have a very keen eye on DeKoning this season, I think he will take over quicker than people think. He's a Grundy or Kreuzer type ruckman but to what level we aren't sure yet.

 

[Soapy V]

Need to lock him away on a 5 yr contact minimum as soon as possible

I think you will find both will sign 2 year extensions in the next few months

 

[Wily trout]

So I think the list is really starting to look better.

If we take a conservative look at the Best 22:

B: Newman, Weitering, Plowman
HB: Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson
C: Fisher, Cripps, Murphy
HF: Petrevski-Seton, C. Curnow, Thomas
F: Fasolo, H. Mckay, McGovern
R: Kreuzer, Kennedy, Dow

I/C: Setterfield, O'Brien, E. Curnow, Williamson

And the Reserves:

B: Schumacher, Jones, MacReadie
HB: B. Silvagni, Goddard, Garlett
C: Walsh, Stocker, Bugg
HF: Polon, Kerr, J. Silvagni
F: Pickett, Casboult, De Koning,
R: Lobbe, Lang, Cuningham,

I/C: Phillips, Le Bois, Owies, O'Dwyer

Obviously a lot of water to go under the bridge, and I have tended to select players with a bit more polish into the senior side and no draftees.

My guess is that by the end of the pre-season, players like Walsh will be in the Best 22 and Bugg will be the go to pressure forward.

I have selected Fasolo, primarily because there isn't a good back-up goal sneak who has the same sort of scoreboard impact. If his defensive pressure isn't to standard, I can see him missing.

Great work. I love the fact that I really want to slot Walsh and Stocker in the senior, as well as TDK, but I can't see who would reasonably omit to fit them.

 

[HBF]

Adelaide's 1st, 3rd & 5th
Our 3rd
St Kilda's 4th

Be good if SOS could get us back into the 2nd round next year.

 

[HARKER]

To me Walsh will be close to a certain starter and the guy that may have to worry about that may be Petrevski-Seton.
On talent alone, Petrevski-Seton shouldn't have to worry but on output, he may.

We'll juggle things around until we get ourselves a workable balance, but I can't see all of our young mids, being on the field at any one given time.
Cripps, Dow, Fisher and Walsh (yes Walsh) are pretty close to locks for mine. Setterfield next cab off the rank, Kennedy and SPS just a little further behind and then last would likely be Stocker.

I can't see next year being as much as a development* year as I see it being a results year.
* By development, I mean; Let's play him just to give him a feel and get some games into him.

 

[gbatman]

Bloody Oath. If after this season I was told we would get McGovern Setterfield Newman Fasolo BSOS, 2 of the best young mids in the draft plus some better mature players, AND lost no one of significance I would have taken it and run.

This is on top of making Cripps & Doc Captains, getting Lloyd AND Russell which is significant in its timing. This is after 2-3 very good trade/draft periods previously.

Could not be happier with how we have gone. Go Blues

Lloyd and Russell are outstanding gets. I know we've been into Lloyd for a while because he was high in the list of potential coaches when we got Bolton. Russell speaks from himself, will be a massive upgrade from Barker who is a football person and was king of just put in that role.

If you went to the draft and your haul was: Walsh, Setterfield, McGovern, Stocker, Newman, Fasolo, Silvagni, O'Dwyer... You would be over the moon. Especially because for once we have not lost good players.

We've had good hauls in other seasons.

2015
Curnow, Weitering, McKay, Plowman, Cuningham, Wright, Kerridge, Lamb, Phillips, Sumner

2016
Fisher, Petrevski-Seton, Marchbank, Williamson, Macreadie, Polson, Kerr, Pickett, LeBois, Smedts, Palmer

2017
Dow, O'Brien, De Koning, Kennedy, Schumacher, Garlett, Lang, Lobbe, Mullett, O'Shea

I look at that and I begin to think that this season could be our best draft. Top 4 players in most years have been pretty good and again the top 4 in this years are looking pretty good too. If you get 4 players that turn out really good in a year it's probably above average. This year's crop are hopefully more about those players being quality and getting a bit more out of the players outside that top 4.

Next season if we bring in another 4 really good players it will be a hell of an effort. I think we will be more about top end quality.

 

[Soapy V]

To me Walsh will be close to a certain starter and the guy that may have to worry about that may be Petrevski-Seton.
On talent alone, Petrevski-Seton shouldn't have to worry but on output, he may.

We'll juggle things around until we get ourselves a workable balance, but I can't see all of our young mids, being on the field at any one given time.
Cripps, Dow, Fisher and Walsh (yes Walsh) are pretty close to locks for mine. Setterfield next cab off the rank, Kennedy and SPS just a little further behind and then last would likely be Stocker.

I can't see next year being as much as a development* year as I see it being a results year.
* By development, I mean; Let's play him just to give him a feel and get some games into him.

I just want to see a very fit & focussed SPS. IMO it will make all the difference

 

[Blue Pulse]

The headline takes his comments out of context. He said for gws Rankine would be first - which given both arent locals and they've got a strong midfield is probably fair. I think Rankine has the talent to be the best player in the pool, but the go home factor on him was to steep. Pretty happy we played it safe on our selections.

So why take him with the 3rd pick and not the second if the draft order is so important?

 

[HBF]

Make or break years for these lads; Cuningham, JSOS, Garlett, Jones and Pickett.

Older players who will probably move on at the end of 2019; Simpson, Casboult, Thomas, Lobbe.

You wouldn't really want to be making another 9 list changes so hopefully a couple from the first group can step up.

Can see the pressure coming on Garlett, Pickett and Jones for sure. Jones is an interesting one as he is out of contract, and we may want to look to promote younger guys like HMac and even Goddard throughout the year.

 

[HBF]

The 66 game rebuild is complete. SOS has rebuilt. An amazing effort.

List management reverts to a normal state of affairs from now on.

Would love to land a big fish in the 2019 off season.

 

[Jimmae]

Surely you jest with Newman BP for the 'Magoos' !!!

Barring injury he will be in our best starting 22 for sure.

Ahead of whom?

 

[El Topo]

To me Walsh will be close to a certain starter and the guy that may have to worry about that may be Petrevski-Seton.
On talent alone, Petrevski-Seton shouldn't have to worry but on output, he may.

We'll juggle things around until we get ourselves a workable balance, but I can't see all of our young mids, being on the field at any one given time.
Cripps, Dow, Fisher and Walsh (yes Walsh) are pretty close to locks for mine. Setterfield next cab off the rank, Kennedy and SPS just a little further behind and then last would likely be Stocker.

I can't see next year being as much as a development* year as I see it being a results year.
* By development, I mean; Let's play him just to give him a feel and get some games into him.

Looks like we can finally play the young guys together in the 2s until they're physically ready for the big league. To that end, Bam Bam plays in the 1s - he's lean mean and aggressive, exactly what the side needs to physically assert itself against mature opposition.

 

[HBF]

What are our need moving forward? Young developing ruck, lock down defender and small forward. Is there anything else?

TDK is our developing ruckman.

 

[HBF]

As much as I like Williamson, by the time round 1 rolls around he would have missed about 20 months of football.

I suspect Newman maybe ahead of him in the short term..

That and our defence is very tall.

Good point.
Willo will need some time at VFL level I would have thought.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Surely you jest with Newman BP for the 'Magoos' !!!

Barring injury he will be in our best starting 22 for sure.

Maybe. Maybe not.

Our backline is pretty strong and, barring some disruptive injuries, has had the most time to work together.

Plowman, Jones, Weitering
Docherty, Marchbank, Simpson

There's a bench spot there, which could be Newman's, but Willo was very good in his debut year and if he has a good preseason I think there's more upside in getting games into him.

 

[Blue__Balls]

As much as I like Williamson, by the time round 1 rolls around he would have missed about 20 months of football.

I suspect Newman maybe ahead of him in the short term..

That and our defence is very tall.

If he's missed 20 months of football, does that mean everyone else has missed 5 months?

 

[Soapy V]

Ahead of whom?

Not many players are absolute locks. We now have options and players will need to earn their spots. Finally

 

[james Dean]

Plowman would be in the first ten blokes picked every week so I doubt he'll be out of the squad

Disagree. Plowman is in our bottom 6 for me.