Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

rgauci

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I agree - It's a big risk trading out our 2020 first-rounder. A 'weak' draft seems to be used often but on reflection, there are still gems available and once trade week rolls around next year rolls - draft picks will again be valuable. Also, it doesn't matter if it's comprised - clubs still need enough currency to use picks to pick up who they want.

We've selected well over the last few years and have a good hand at this year's draft already. Let's keep building each year
I’d debate whether we selected well in 2018. Sturt and Valente could be busts, I’m hoping they emerge from their injuries this year coming.

Other clubs have found extraordinary players from that draft.

We did well in 2016 and 2017. We need to hit 2019 and 2020 as hard as possible then sit back and reap the rewards.

Hopefully a decent free agent comes in the horizon.
 

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Say we have picks #7, #10, #22, #56, #79... We pick a player @ #7, then another @ #10. Then someone bids on Henry at #12. We use pick #22 to match the bid plus #56 to make up the points. So our next available pick is #79. We have an opportunity to package up future picks (and any remaining picks we have this draft) and live trade for another pick. So we might trade for GC's #15 - and then we get another player at that pick. If we had got that pick before the bid had happened then it'd have been used to match the bid (the next pick gets used and so on)
Thanks - that’s pretty much the parts that I understand.

What I didn’t get is when people say ‘oh well just trade back into the first round’. But I think you’ve explained the last part, except for why would GC (for example) want to exchange picks on the night? Seems easier to get all the pick swaps done before draft night, without all the panic in doing it live. Maybe I’m oversimplifying things. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
 

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You can tell your friend I was using big words to sound clever, after I’d asked a seemingly simple question to which I didn’t know the answer. Discombobulating all round. 😆
 

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Thanks - that’s pretty much the parts that I understand.

What I didn’t get is when people say ‘oh well just trade back into the first round’. But I think you’ve explained the last part, except for why would GC (for example) want to exchange picks on the night? Seems easier to get all the pick swaps done before draft night, without all the panic in doing it live. Maybe I’m oversimplifying things. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
Most of the live trades would normally be well discussed by the two (or more) parties before the night. We'd even be talking to other clubs about trading our late picks for future picks in case we didn't use them (ie not spent as points and no list spots left/not taking any more players).

The main problem we'll have to work around this draft is available list spots. Walls and co are going to have to be quite creative to get the best outcome.
 

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Thanks - that’s pretty much the parts that I understand.

What I didn’t get is when people say ‘oh well just trade back into the first round’. But I think you’ve explained the last part, except for why would GC (for example) want to exchange picks on the night? Seems easier to get all the pick swaps done before draft night, without all the panic in doing it live. Maybe I’m oversimplifying things. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️
So far I count three delistings/retirements from Gold Coast's primary list, with the addition of Ellis, Greenwood, Zac Smith (there will be another removal of Martin)

That means they have one pick in the draft and picks #1, #2, #15 and #20.

Assuming they delist three more players to use just those picks, they might be willing to spread some of that value into next season to preserve the points. If they only delist one more player after Martin (by my count) they will only have #1 and #2 in the draft with #15, #20, #78 and #90 disappearing before the draft and everyone else moving up - there is value in not letting those picks go by moving them into next season.
 

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So far I count three delistings/retirements from Gold Coast's primary list, with the addition of Ellis, Greenwood, Zac Smith (there will be another removal of Martin)

That means they have one pick in the draft and picks #1, #2, #15 and #20.

Assuming they delist three more players to use just those picks, they might be willing to spread some of that value into next season to preserve the points. If they only delist one more player after Martin (by my count) they will only have #1 and #2 in the draft with #15, #20, #78 and #90 disappearing before the draft and everyone else moving up - there is value in not letting those picks go by moving them into next season.
I thought the AFL had a rule that clubs must take a minimum 3 picks in the draft?
 

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Out: Hill, Langdon, 26, 2020 3rd, 2020 4th
In: Acres, Aish, 10, 22, 58, 69, 79 Melbourne 2020 2nd, Collingwood 2020 3rd
+ve
- for a side that lacked depth in 2019 we desperately needed some experience to replace Hill & Langdon and we got that in 2 young players with some potential. I see upside in both the players we picked up and they “could” both play 100+ games for us as they are still young.
- points for Henry in both Hill/Lang trades.
- improved our draft positions both this year and next and we really needed to improve our draft position this year. We now have the ability to trade up the draft board a bit or trade into next year.

-ve
- at this stage the loss of Hill/Lang >> the pick up of Aish/Acres.
- we now have a list management issue in that we have more picks than spots on our list.
- there’s an anxious wait until picks 8&9 are out of the way in November and not Henry bids.

Overall I’m happy but really can’t be sure we won anything for a while yet. We definitely needed to get some best 22 players and I think we did that and I’d say we were fairly compensated for the players we lost. We really need Henry to last past 10.
 

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My understanding of next years draft is that the quality is not clearly understood and most teams will be taking 1 or 2 academy or fs players. So when you add the helping hand that the afl give for compensation. Round 1 won’t end at pick 20ish like this year but is probably going to push out to 26 or 27.
There might be a lot of shenanigans around who picks who’s academy player.
IMHO we should seriously consider trading next years 1st for a later 1st this year and another second next year.


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Taylor

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I thought the AFL had a rule that clubs must take a minimum 3 picks in the draft?
Upgraded rookies count as a pick in the draft even though they aren't recorded on the day anymore.

Every club has to make three list changes, that is three delistings, but you don't need to draft three players. I don't know what the minimum number of picks you can take into the draft is.
 

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Thought we did ok, really. The future belongs to those who plan for it, and I think Bell is doing that.
Aish will slot in nicely in the back 6, he's a good player, picked at 7 so he's got the talent.
Free's up someone else to move midfield, maybe Logue.
Additionally, we have picks that if done right can set us up.
I'm bloody glad we didn't sell the farm for Kelly now!!
 

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Thought we did ok, really. The future belongs to those who plan for it, and I think Bell is doing that.
Aish will slot in nicely in the back 6, he's a good player, picked at 7 so he's got the talent.
Free's up someone else to move midfield, maybe Logue.
Additionally, we have picks that if done right can set us up.
I'm bloody glad we didn't sell the farm for Kelly now!!
How about one of the midfielders playing back there??? Just a thought but perhaps Blakely and Cerra should be considered way ahead of a KPD who is untested in the midfield
 

Lach72

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How about one of the midfielders playing back there??? Just a thought but perhaps Blakely and Cerra should be considered way ahead of a KPD who is untested in the midfield
Yeah I'm hoping we actuallu use the players where it best suits.

Acres is a midfielder, Blakely, Cerra and Brayshaw all mids...

we need a mix in there but hopefully we can use Mundy at HF a bit more/rotate with Fyfe and we may see Walters up there a bit more too
 

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Granted, but i'd like to see Logue have a crack, he's a big unit, moves well, and could be a good contested fella.
I'm not sold on his kicking, but you can get away with that in the midfield, not so much in defence.
 

blue shark

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Granted, but i'd like to see Logue have a crack, he's a big unit, moves well, and could be a good contested fella.
I'm not sold on his kicking, but you can get away with that in the midfield, not so much in defence.
Having Fyfe, Walters, Mundy in the midfield for bursts and then unleashed forward, instantly look better.
Acres is a solid player, and will help with the younger guys eased into the centre, add experience.
If we did this previously the midfield would get rolled.
 

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