Mega Thread 2019 List Management, Free Agency & Trade thread #2

[Lach72]

Draft Central Power Rankings: November 2019 - 20-1

AS the 2019 AFL National Draft is just around the corner, we work up to the November 27-28 event with a three-part Power Rankings series, counting down our top 60 players heading into the AFL Draft. We have not taken into account any draft selections or club needs, it is purely our opinion...

afl.draftcentral.com.au

 

[theGav56]

Of course it was.

I actually read you post as calling Joao ignorant for calling it out, which now on re-reading it I have no idea how I did so.

Uh Oh. The perils of the internet. Hope Joao got the right slant.

 

[Purple Jesus]

Is Sokol on our radar?

If he's not he bloody should be.

 

[theGav56]

To me Serong projects as a more forward leaning version of Neale. An excellent prospect who is aggressive, attacking and ultra-competitive.

 

[Quokka]

Absolutely stoked Luke Ryan signed on, getting new talent in the door is always exciting but the quickest way to go backwards is to watch talented players walk out the other way and Ryan would have had plenty of offers thrown his way next year.

 

[Purpellian Anchor]

Balmer and Knightmare both hearing that Adelaide are very high on McAsey. Is everything coming up Millhouse for Freo?

If Freo will do anything at all trading picks they'll probably do it at the last minute after watching all the hands laid out...has been our form of late

 

[Ysaye]

If he's not he bloody should be.

His 20m sprint of 3.30sec would not have done his chances much good (or his poor jump readings), remembering he is at the club in the WAFL with the most resources to pour into improvement in that area, and his main trick as an undersized forward is getting out on a lead, marking and goal. Yes measurements aren't everything and he definitely has game sense and consistency of skills that may be able to compensate a bit but I wouldn't want him anything earlier than pick 70.

Edit: to try and put that sprint time in perspective Scott Jones (as a mature ager) ran a 3.01 in the year we drafted him.

 

[Lach72]

 

[G Mus]

His 20m sprint of 3.30sec would not have done his chances much good (or his poor jump readings), remembering he is at the club in the WAFL with the most resources to pour into improvement in that area, and his main trick as an undersized forward is getting out on a lead, marking and goal. Yes measurements aren't everything and he definitely has game sense and consistency of skills that may be able to compensate a bit but I wouldn't want him anything earlier than pick 70.

Edit: to try and put that sprint time in perspective Scott Jones (as a mature ager) ran a 3.01 in the year we drafted him.

Reeks of state league hero who can’t make the step up against bigger quicker opponents ala Sam Collins

 

[nurries]

Reeks of state league hero who can’t make the step up against bigger quicker opponents ala Sam Collins

Or a club has guaranteed him a spot if he sandbags the combine

 

[Ysaye]

Reeks of state league hero who can’t make the step up against bigger quicker opponents ala Sam Collins

Im not saying he can't step it up but as an aspiring AFL player you would want to demonstrate that you were willing to put the hard work in and not just rely on talent alone. There may be another story (eg he was performing the tests injured) but the measurements in this instance doesn't paint a great picture of what you might get dedication-wise.

Or a club has guaranteed him a spot if he sandbags the combine

Clubs apparently make claims / say rubbish to potential recruits all the time; if your dream was to play AFL and you had got to almost halfway through your playing life (and not being picked up) would you hedge your bets on such a claim by one club? Or would you give yourself the best chance of getting picked up?

 

[Paracleet]

Reeks of state league hero who can’t make the step up against bigger quicker opponents ala Sam Collins

You’d think at AFL level Sokol would be a high half forward, doing the hard running, linking up, defending space etc, or nothing*. He’s not going to play full forward trying to get out in front of, or wrestling with, defenders that are 10 cm taller, faster and more athletic.

*The likelihood of him not making is high anyway, most players going fourth round onwards / rookie draft don’t make it anyway. If clubs thought he was a can’t miss mature ager he’d be going second round (e.g. Kelly, Ryan).

 

[apuchar]

We've spoken to Miles Bergman and Cooper Stevens. Bergman's highlights look good.

 

[apuchar]

For those that don't scan other websites. Twomey's Nov phantom form guide.

Cal Twomey's 2019 Phantom Form Guide: November update

AFL.com.au's draft guru ranks the best young footy talent in the land

www.afl.com.au

 

[Monument Hills]

Twomey has Sharp and Taylor at 27 and 29, respectively. Hope we trade in for one of them.

 

[Taylor]

Twomey has Sharp and Taylor at 27 and 29, respectively. Hope we trade in for one of them.

If we took Sharp at #11 and Henry wipes out most of the remaining picks would it be a poor result?

I don't really mind buying a player ahead of where you think they are valued in principle.

 

[fnerd]

We've spoken to Miles Bergman and Cooper Stevens. Bergman's highlights look good.

Yeah both promote as exciting talents.
Stephens in particular impresses as a genuine mid with some good athletic traits... if he was still there at 22 and (we still have it, and sharp/rivers are off the table I’d be quite happy for us to take him.

 

[Vimal Anand]

If we took Sharp at #11 and Henry wipes out most of the remaining picks would it be a poor result?

I don't really mind buying a player ahead of where you think they are valued in principle.

I dont personally think sharp being available after 20 may be even after 15

 

[Alfonz]

We've spoken to Miles Bergman and Cooper Stevens. Bergman's highlights look good.

It doesn't really matter who "we've spoken to". It means nothing. We would (or should) have spoken to 100 players.

 

[theGav56]

Yeah both promote as exciting talents.
Stephens in particular impresses as a genuine mid with some good athletic traits... if he was still there at 22 and (we still have it, and sharp/rivers are off the table I’d be quite happy for us to take him.

I see Stephens in the same position and quality as Robertson, but having had an injury he has slipped. He would be great value if we decide not to spend our early currency on an inside mid, which with Brayshaw, Cerra and Valente all projecting into that position would be quite possible.

 

[CapitalA]

I would if we didnt manage to get stephens, young or ash an they were gobe by our second pick.

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[fnerd]

I see Stephens in the same position and quality as Robertson, but having had an injury he has slipped. He would be great value if we decide not to spend our early currency on an inside mid, which with Brayshaw, Cerra and Valente all projecting into that position would be quite possible.

Yeah fair point , tho it’s more of a scenario where some of our other/early targets are already off the table that I was envisioning us taking him

 

[Eski3]

If we took Sharp at #11 and Henry wipes out most of the remaining picks would it be a poor result?

I don't really mind buying a player ahead of where you think they are valued in principle.

Tbh with picks 3-25 as even as they are, Sharp being a local boy filling a need as an excellent outside mid with senior level WAFL experience, I'm starting to come around to using pick 10 on him

 

[theGav56]

Yeah fair point , tho it’s more of a scenario where some of our other/early targets are already off the table that I was envisioning us taking him

Should be under consideration. I see C Stephens as less one positional as Robertson is, but Robertson obviously has the runs on the board. In that 18-30 range where we could end up having a pick, there are quite a few nice options for us.

 

[theGav56]

Tbh with picks 3-25 as even as they are, Sharp being a local boy filling a need as an excellent outside mid with senior level WAFL experience, I'm starting to come around to using pick 10 on him

The question is also about strategy; can we get Sharp plus something later, or help pay for Henry?