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It's one contingency that they hadn't thought of it seems. Or we just didn't want him. Someone should have bid on Green, if he was truly as good as some have suggested.
As is typical for Freo. Henry's value couldn't have been in a worse place for us and we had to jerk everything around, to first get him, and also get a bit of a discount. We got three top ten talents, but it was expensive.
Western, next year should fall in a sweet spot.
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As is typical for Freo. Henry's value couldn't have been in a worse place for us and we had to jerk everything around, to first get him, and also get a bit of a discount. We got three top ten talents, but it was expensive.
Western, next year should fall in a sweet spot.
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You bank top ten picks when you can, and having an established relationship with GWS will help when Hill wants to
come home.
Honestly It worked for WC once with Oscar Allen and Liam Ryan, still missed Kelly
But all clubs had the chance with those two previously, that's another story.
WC 2018 picks of O Niell, Foley, Williams in the second rounds doesn't exactly spell success?
This was the year to have second round picks though, even still 3 top ten picks is first place.
Better to reflect on how many WA boys got drafted, and who will want to return?
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Worked with wee Willie as well, at least for a year but that's all they needed to get a Premiership. 3 out 4 ain't bad.You bank top ten picks when you can, and having an established relationship with GWS will help when Hill wants to
come home.
Honestly It worked for WC once with Oscar Allen and Liam Ryan, still missed Kelly
But all clubs had the chance with those two previously, that's another story.
WC 2018 picks of O Niell, Foley, Williams in the second rounds doesn't exactly spell success?
This was the year to have second round picks though, even still 3 top ten picks is first place.
Better to reflect on how many WA boys got drafted, and who will want to return?
Seriously, have you seen Williams play?? He was a steal and future star Fwd/Ruck or other way around.
Happy to see so many WA boys drafted and not sure of the go home factor compared to Vic Metro boys. Someone might have stats?
I think it is very hard to critique the trading without knowing all the options available. We are just speculating on what clubs may have accepted. What we saw was clubs pay a massive premium to move up the draft.
With the port trade, im sure all clubs were canvassed in advance what they would trade for 2020 2nd. Clearly port was the best offer.
We could have downgraded pick 8 or 10. I’d still much prefer a top ten pick.
With the port trade, im sure all clubs were canvassed in advance what they would trade for 2020 2nd. Clearly port was the best offer.
We could have downgraded pick 8 or 10. I’d still much prefer a top ten pick.
That's the thing though we ensured we got Henry, as best as possible, instead of maybe. Imagine if WC had done
better ensuring Kelly?
They would of absolutely smashed it this year on and of the field.
Henry"s such a good character another Coniglio?
Henry looks very slight to me just yet. I hope we don’t do a Melbourne circa 2009 and just dump him in, jack watts style. He may not play any AFL football next season to be honest. Serong and Young are bigger bodies and probably more ready for 2020.
Excited to see Sturt and Valente in action this year though. Still a bit concerned about Valentes injury issues though, someone said the other day that he was having to re-learn a new running style due to his groin problems..
Excited to see Sturt and Valente in action this year though. Still a bit concerned about Valentes injury issues though, someone said the other day that he was having to re-learn a new running style due to his groin problems..
Ole mate on the radio station reckons Wilson’s surgery involves a 10-12 week recovery. He is about 2 weeks or so in. Young a good replacement for Wilson if he is still working his way back into the season.
Ole mate cracked me up though he said he can’t believe the AFL allowed us to match the bid on Henry with a deficit of about 700. It’s only -265 and GWS is around -256.
Otherwise Serong is very likely - Bell already talking him up to start half forward with stints in the midfield. I’m expecting we’ll see some forward time for our 2018 top draftee Sturt as you say.
Henry maybe in the back end. I’d be happy if Valente gets a good solid block at WAFL and puts himself in the frame for selection in the second half of the year.
Henry will be exciting to watch at Peel.
A forward line potentially involving (at times) Cam McCarthy, Sturt and Henry.
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Watson seems like a pretty reasonable prospect from what i've seen (ie. not much). Seems to be a decent size and kick.
It is probably our weakest area. Can't fill every hole though.
I think Logue can fool people a bit in that he's played a bit more for us as a flanker/CHB. But he's 193cm and 101kg. Not to mention only 21 years old and is top-5 in the time trial. I'd back him to be a gun KPD/hybrid thing in a year or two. Cox only 21 too. Personally i'd rather those guys get a few games if we have a Pearce/Hamling injury rather than a mature KPD.
Ruck wise we're at Lobb/Darcy/Meek. Really need to maybe see Meek in an AFL game this year as well. 3 rucks is maybe 1 short (5 was absolutely too many) but there is the mid-season draft which would allow us to grab a mature backup as an emergency if required. Assume we might take one as a rookie next year.
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The problem with analyzing trading is it's reciprocal. We can have the best negotiators in the world but at the end of the day we probably knew or had some idea Carlton were going to bid on Henry and then our hands were completely tied and turning 10 to 8 was always going to be an unpleasant process. Port had no obligation to deal with us at all so we didn't have much room to move. You can only reasonably argue trading is poor when walking away and doing nothing would be the better outcome, which wasn't the case since we still ended up with 3 first round quality players.
I don't particularly like Bell but it's hard to criticize when we got the desired outcome we wanted with minimal negotiating power. Not bidding on Green is the only oversight but I guess we valued goodwill over ruthlessness which I dislike but understand.
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That's all nice, but next year when we don't have a high enough pick to consider Grainger-Barrass because of our points deficit.... bummer. And I highly doubt Serong would be pissed off because we bid on Green.
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Ruthlessness? A number of aligned players were bid on and the bid not matched in this draft. I have no issue with Carlton bidding, and we should have anticipated it. Bidding on a player is an attempt to draft them, and quite legitimate. If Melbourne bid at pick 3 they have a real chance they get Henry.
Green at any of our picks would have been a bargain, and certainly before Serong, and we should have taken a shot. At some point they will be bid on, otherwise may as well just give clubs a free hit.
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I agree it was a poor decision and not something I would have done. I would call it misguided rather than incompetent though. Carlton had every right to bid on Henry and it's a bit childish for some on here to get upset over it.
Carlton had inside knowledge of Henry... May have had a input to there decision making process... or as implied by Twomey the were bidding to bide time whilst they got a down scale trade lined up.
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Complaining about the Carlton bid is like complaining about the umps when you lose a game.
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Don't you mean complaining about the Carlton bid on Henry is like complaining about the umps when you win a game?
The reality is though the GWS academy kid is Not what we were after, exactly the same with Robertson.
JLo wanted skilled, dual players, and yes Carlton wanted Henry.
Imagine GWS not matching and then taking our targeted players.
I reckon Port maybe a little pi**ed that we stole the Monaro.
I've been having a bit of fun on the draft trade board about it but I don't have any issue with Carlton about it.
How high are you expecting us to finish next year? I think we need to be realistic in our expectations for next year, it's quite likely that we go into next year's draft with a high pick that will only slide a little after adjusting for the deficit.
I know Grainger-Barrass is likely to go top 10 but we'd have to turn things around pretty drastically to not have a pick in the draft around about his range.
Heck I'll take the deficit and a QUALITY player with a year's development any day of the week. Let's move on
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