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Listening to radio this morning both ABC and 6PR there were similar comments around the Hill brothers.

BHill on a contract where the belief from Young is that he is underpaid. Similar scenario to Neale. SHill’s offer from GCS hasn’t decreased it sounds like he has been offered a little more and is quite likely to happen - 3 years at >$700,000 per year. St Kilda are looking at throwing a heap of cash at BHill, nothing official from WB yet but they have cash to burn with retirement of Boyd.

With Sandi, Ballantyne, HB, BHill, SHill, Kersten we suddenly have quite a bit of money.

Maybe Langdon can be held onto at the rice price. Top 10 pick or direct swap for T.Kelly. Will be at least band 2 for SHill.

Would the masses be satisfied with:
T.Kelly (trade swap for BHill), hang onto our 1st pick (6-8 in ND), Pick 19-20 (compo for SHill), hang onto 2nd pick 25-27 in ND, re-sign Langdon and a new coach? Trade 19-20 for a couple of 2nd round picks.
 
Listening to radio this morning both ABC and 6PR there were similar comments around the Hill brothers.

BHill on a contract where the belief from Young is that he is underpaid. Similar scenario to Neale. SHill’s offer from GCS hasn’t decreased it sounds like he has been offered a little more and is quite likely to happen - 3 years at >$700,000 per year. St Kilda are looking at throwing a heap of cash at BHill, nothing official from WB yet but they have cash to burn with retirement of Boyd.

With Sandi, Ballantyne, HB, BHill, SHill, Kersten we suddenly have quite a bit of money.

Maybe Langdon can be held onto at the rice price. Top 10 pick or direct swap for T.Kelly. Will be at least band 2 for SHill.

Would the masses be satisfied with:
T.Kelly (trade swap for BHill), hang onto our 1st pick (6-8 in ND), Pick 19-20 (compo for SHill), hang onto 2nd pick 25-27 in ND, re-sign Langdon and a new coach? Trade 19-20 for a couple of 2nd round picks.
If it is a money thing I'd rather keep Billy than Ed. Otherwise don't mind it. Trading 19-20 would be dependent on where we think Henry bids are coming in. Better off getting up the order ahead of his bids if possible.

Still can't get used to the idea that Kelly is coming to us. Reckon WC have to be favourites.
 
I would be open to any interest in Cerra and Brayshaw. If they weren't top ten draft picks they would struggle to get a game.

Cerra sure. Keep Brayshaw.

Cerra has been shite this year and that effort on the wing where he went to toe poke it stunk of a softness you’d berate a player for in an under 14 match.
 
I know it’s a bit raw, and close to just being thumped by that mob down the road. But what I saw is that our guys fumbled a wet ball, and rushed instead of thinking through the options. On top of that the olde defensive pressure was missing.

I could go into where, when and why.

But at the end of the day we need guys who have clean hands, good foot skills, have a go, and can make the play with good thought process.

I think some of our drafting recently certainly hasn’t addressed these needs, and has been focussed on physical/athletic attributes.

It’s a balance to be sure but it’s out of kilter right now.

In this draft which is a good one for exactly the people we need I would like to draft people with the right skill sets.

Re trade..... only trade if it’s bringing in people with right attitude, and skill sets.

Big broom needs to go through the list, I suspect this year.
 
IF GC were really offering that much coin to S Hill surely the AFL would have to step in and stop it, it would be the type of move that could bring that club to their knees.
 
Listening to radio this morning both ABC and 6PR there were similar comments around the Hill brothers.

BHill on a contract where the belief from Young is that he is underpaid. Similar scenario to Neale. SHill’s offer from GCS hasn’t decreased it sounds like he has been offered a little more and is quite likely to happen - 3 years at >$700,000 per year. St Kilda are looking at throwing a heap of cash at BHill, nothing official from WB yet but they have cash to burn with retirement of Boyd.

With Sandi, Ballantyne, HB, BHill, SHill, Kersten we suddenly have quite a bit of money.

Maybe Langdon can be held onto at the rice price. Top 10 pick or direct swap for T.Kelly. Will be at least band 2 for SHill.

Would the masses be satisfied with:
T.Kelly (trade swap for BHill), hang onto our 1st pick (6-8 in ND), Pick 19-20 (compo for SHill), hang onto 2nd pick 25-27 in ND, re-sign Langdon and a new coach? Trade 19-20 for a couple of 2nd round picks.
Give both Hills the cash. We got heap of salary cap with players leaving. Stephen is a loyal passionate one to keep. We kept Ballas for one year after year? Stephen deserves it way more then a Ballas.
Brad is a must. We have no one to replace him, running and speeding in what he does for us. Cerra is nowhere going to get there and Brayshaw is still young.
Want to keep picks for a KPD. We need talls desperately. Meek, Jones and Sandi gone. Have to replace them
 
Should’ve drafted Naughton instead of Cerra.
Brad Hill wants more money. It’s obvious but he’s happy either way. He knows Victoria. He stays or goes is dependence on how much we value him.
We wanted To draft mids and trade for KP players. Should of done the opposite
 
IF GC were really offering that much coin to S Hill surely the AFL would have to step in and stop it, it would be the type of move that could bring that club to their knees.
Wait. Did I read 2.1 for 3 years? 700k per year. That’s nuts. Where would that be valued at compensation wise?
 

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Should’ve drafted Naughton instead of Cerra.
Brad Hill wants more money. It’s obvious but he’s happy either way. He knows Victoria. He stays or goes is dependence on how much we value him.
Hindsight is a lovely thing. Naughton was a defender, no one, not a single person predicted him being a gun afl forward. We needed midfielders more than we needed defenders. Dogs played him their because Boyd and Schacke are spuds. Not a single afl recruiter would've overlooked Cerra. Also worth noting how ridiculously poorly coached Cerra has been. We're suppose to be rebuilding, yet Cerra, Brayshaw and Blakely barely spend time in the middle. That "rebuild" hey?
 
Hindsight is a lovely thing. Naughton was a defender, no one, not a single person predicted him being a gun afl forward. We needed midfielders more than we needed defenders. Dogs played him their because Boyd and Schacke are spuds. Not a single afl recruiter would've overlooked Cerra. Also worth noting how ridiculously poorly coached Cerra has been. We're suppose to be rebuilding, yet Cerra, Brayshaw and Blakely barely spend time in the middle. That "rebuild" hey?
That’s the other thing. We’re absolutely playing them to the ground. Gifting them but playing games at HF or HB. Why? Let them develop naturally for Peel playing their positions. No shame in that
 
That’s the other thing. We’re absolutely playing them to the ground. Gifting them but playing games at HF or HB. Why? Let them develop naturally for Peel playing their positions. No shame in that
How many of the top 10 normally get played in the middle in their first and second years apart from guns like Walsh. People like Cerra don't have the body strength, muscle or tank to do it in the middle yet and would get bashed around too much.
 
How many of the top 10 normally get played in the middle in their first and second years apart from guns like Walsh. People like Cerra don't have the body strength, muscle or tank to do it in the middle yet and would get bashed around too much.
Exactly. Playing Cerra, who’s not quick enough to be on the small forward, as HB is destroying his confidence. You’d take 1 step forward and 2 steps back with that development. A mixture of Peel and Freo would be a better ideal. Develop his tank that way
 
How many of the top 10 normally get played in the middle in their first and second years apart from guns like Walsh. People like Cerra don't have the body strength, muscle or tank to do it in the middle yet and would get bashed around too much.
Dow, Walsh, Viney, Wines, Oliver, JOM, Swallow, Libba, Taranto, Berry.

Cerra and Brayshaw don't have to be a full time mid yet, but their midfield minutes to date is just low. Blakely should be a starting mid by now, not a defender.
 
Exactly. Playing Cerra, who’s not quick enough to be on the small forward, as HB is destroying his confidence. You’d take 1 step forward and 2 steps back with that development. A mixture of Peel and Freo would be a better ideal. Develop his tank that way
By the time he's built his body and tank, he'd have minimum midfield experience and his confidence will take a massive hit.
 
By the time he's built his body and tank, he'd have minimum midfield experience and his confidence will take a massive hit.
Exactly. His development is stunted. He’d then have to redevelop his midfield skills he learned years before. It’s just dumb.
 
Dow, Walsh, Viney, Wines, Oliver, JOM, Swallow, Libba, Taranto, Berry.

Cerra and Brayshaw don't have to be a full time mid yet, but their midfield minutes to date is just low. Blakely should be a starting mid by now, not a defender.

Yeah. Most high picked AFL mids are spending at least a noticeable amount of time in the middle by year 2. Often happens on s**t teams, which is where the high picked comes from - and despite the last 2 weeks we're not as s**t as the teams those guys came into.

But still. The future midfield is Fyfe Blakely Cerra Brayshaw Tucker or thereabouts. Just ******* get them in there.
 
Should’ve drafted Naughton instead of Cerra.
Brad Hill wants more money. It’s obvious but he’s happy either way. He knows Victoria. He stays or goes is dependence on how much we value him.
Haha I recall being mocked on here leading up to the 2018 draft suggesting we should take Naughton, instead being told it's a high class midfield draft. If you do that 2018 draft again today Naughton goes No 1. But he (or his family) told Fremantle not to waste their time picking him because after impressing in the WAFL seniors he was sacrificed by Ross Lyon to make way for guess who? Zac Dawson who had missed most of the season so he could finish his career in the WAFL finals and went out a premiership player in preference to a local kid who up until that point would have jumped at the chance to be a Fremantle player.

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Haha I recall being mocked on here leading up to the 2018 draft suggesting we should take Naughton, instead being told it's a high class midfield draft. If you do that 2018 draft again today Naughton goes No 1. But he (or his family) told Fremantle not to waste their time picking him because after impressing in the WAFL seniors he was sacrificed by Ross Lyon to make way for guess who? Zac Dawson who had missed most of the season so he could finish his career in the WAFL finals and went out a premiership player in preference to a local kid who up until that point would have jumped at the chance to be a Fremantle player.

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Remembered trying to find Naughton on the team sheet that GF day. Shocked Dawson was playing and Naughton, who played 20 or so games for the local team, was left out. Can imagine that leaving a bitter taste
 
Remembered trying to find Naughton on the team sheet that GF day. Shocked Dawson was playing and Naughton, who played 20 or so games for the local team, was left out. Can imagine that leaving a bitter taste
Naughton played 7 WAFL league in 2017
Dawson played about 20 WAFL league in 2017.
This is Dawson’s last 10 games in the WAFL comp. He played a total of 22 league WAFL games 20 of them in 2017. Dawson played the season down there and was praised for his on field leadership role.
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This is Naughton’s last 10 games in the WAFL comp. A total career of 7 WAFL league. He missed round 20 and the 2nd Semi. From memory he had some difficulty with a thumb injury but was fit for the GF.
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Hindsight is a lovely thing. Naughton was a defender, no one, not a single person predicted him being a gun afl forward. We needed midfielders more than we needed defenders. Dogs played him their because Boyd and Schacke are spuds. Not a single afl recruiter would've overlooked Cerra.


Spot on. And we had just picked Logue with a top ten pick, and brought in Hamling. Reaching for a tall defender made no sense at the time.
 
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