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Cogs through FA & T.Kelly trading out our first.Our midfield set and the premiership window swings open.
Because he is a Restricted FA I think the Giants likely match any offers and force a trade.

What would RFA compo be?
What trade would be required?
Is there an Option C?
 

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Hypothetical question here, but if we started getting frustrations among the tall forward ranks toward the end of season (due to, say, lack of playing opportunity/$)
- Which one would you be most prepared to jetison?
- Who would be some player trade targets you'd go for?

I think it would have to be one of Taberner or Dixon. I'd rather keep Cox who I feel is a better footballer & can play both ends, but suspect he'd have higher trade currency at this stage.
Players I'd be going for:
-Angus Brayshaw;
-Tim English;
-Jack Martin;
-Sam Petrevski Seton;
-Zac Fisher;
-Tim Kelly;
-Jordan Clark.

Notwithstanding, there would need to be pick swaps, my first preference would be Brayshaw - fearless player & great character. Unlikely, given he just extended.

Also like Jordan Clark - could develop into a classy player.

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Jordan Clark has already extended.

I really rate Zac Fisher, but there's no way Carlton are letting him go.

Personally unless it's FA or for a second I'd prefer to now keep all our high picks and pick the eyes out of the academy.

With Cerra and Brayshaw developing we now need to put some time into developing a well rounded list.
A mobile young ruck or two, we have Henry already in the book. Perhaps another tall back and a fast, accumulating wingman or an inside bull...although this could be affected by how Valente progresses.

Depends also how the Kelly negotiations go between WC and Geelong too I guess.

If we're sitting there with pick 8-10 and wc have 16 or something, and we already have Henry, then lobbing it in 8-10 in front of Geelong wouldn't be the worst thing in the world
 
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Because he is a Restricted FA I think the Giants likely match any offers and force a trade.

What would RFA compo be?
What trade would be required?
Is there an Option C?
Currently the free agent compensation for them is pick #14
Our first pick is currently #16

If they can match the deal, which is reasonable because they need only match the total dollars and years in anyway they want, then the difference between pick #14 and receiving pick #16 and #16 in trade is worth the match.

If GWS and Fremantle are very far apart, then it gets interesting.
Freo top four, GWS bottom four - trading late teen picks for Coniglio over pick #4 wouldn't happen
Freo bottom four, GWS top four - trading top five pick for Coniglio over a compensation pick in the late teens is more likely

What happens if the Cats aren’t happy with anything anyone offers them and Kelly refuses to sign another contract? Is he forced out of footy for a year?
Uncontracted players can nominate their terms in the national draft.
 

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What happens if the Cats aren’t happy with anything anyone offers them and Kelly refuses to sign another contract? Is he forced out of footy for a year?
Not forced out because he would be out of contract. A deal will get in the last few minutes of trading. Geelong won't be happy. OR a player from us or WC wants to go back to Vic and a deal gets done earlier. I think that will be Geelong's preference, but not what the WA clubs would want.
 
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Not forced out because he would be out of contract. A deal will get in the last few minutes of trading. Geelong won't be happy. OR a player from us or WC wants to go back to Vic and a deal gets done earlier. I think that will be Geelong's preference, but not what the WA clubs would want.
Keep an eye on West Coast signing a Victorian young player to a one year extension for a bit of leverage.
 
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Because he is a Restricted FA I think the Giants likely match any offers and force a trade.

What would RFA compo be?
What trade would be required?
Is there an Option C?
This is the thing Weagles supporters refuse to see. There is no way Eagles can afford top price for Coniglio and Kelly and to get Conilgio through FA its going to have to be 1.1m+ at least I would think, which they obviously cant afford otherwise GWS match.

It will be literally impossible for them to satisfy GWS and Geelong with assets for both those players (short of trading out a couple of b22 players), they'll struggle to do it for one

If they can convince Coniglio to come back, Kelly is essentially ours
 
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Currently the free agent compensation for them is pick #14

Freo top four, GWS bottom four - trading late teen picks for Coniglio over pick #4 wouldn't happen
Freo bottom four, GWS top four - trading top five pick for Coniglio over a compensation pick in the late teens is more likely
From what I have seen of GWS so far incl. the flogging to West Coast and our last quarter Masterclass - there is no way GWS is a bottom four team. Top 8 for mine. No idea where Freo end up - probably 6-13. I think GWS will force a trade if it comes to it. They will then be forced as you say to take a lowish ball offer which would be our first pick - probably a pick around 8-12. This would of course rule us out of any negotiations regarding Martin and Kelly.

I personally think Cogs will stay. If we trade for Kelly with our top pick which is fine for me - I would be demanding something back - ie a third because we don’t have one and will need some points. If Geelong go all crazy arse with their demands then let them have it with West Coast who I believe will finish higher than us.

A good point was raised above re: West Coast and the reduced impact of Sheed with Gaff back in the team. Tim Kelly would be wondering how that would impact him given both will be going nowhere next season.

He will obviously see that we’re trending in the right direction and see that he will fill a key need for Freo in a developing midfield. Mundy (if he plays on in 2020) would play a reduced midfield role. Bell also gets on well with his d*#khead manager so I don’t think him coming to Freo will be an issue for this trade period.


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$1.2 million puts him in the elite category. The trade expectation in terms of draft picks would be 2 decent first rounders, which for us would mean this year and next year's. Or our first plus Ryan perhaps. That would be reasonable for that salary too. GWS won't just role over, and if the AFL can, they will support them.
 
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Hypothetical question here, but if we started getting frustrations among the tall forward ranks toward the end of season (due to, say, lack of playing opportunity/$)
- Which one would you be most prepared to jetison?
- Who would be some player trade targets you'd go for?

I think it would have to be one of Taberner or Dixon. I'd rather keep Cox who I feel is a better footballer & can play both ends, but suspect he'd have higher trade currency at this stage.
Players I'd be going for:
-Angus Brayshaw;
-Tim English;
-Jack Martin;
-Sam Petrevski Seton;
-Zac Fisher;
-Tim Kelly;
-Jordan Clark.

Notwithstanding, there would need to be pick swaps, my first preference would be Brayshaw - fearless player & great character. Unlikely, given he just extended.

Also like Jordan Clark - could develop into a classy player.

Thoughts?

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I'd be looking for a quick mid or two that can break the lines

Unpopular opinion maybe, but i'd put Darcy up for trade. Lobb would just have to accept that Hogan/Tabbs = No Lobb permanent forward. Obviously then look to get a half decent ruck backup to play in the magoos.
 

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I think the length of the deal would scare GWS off anyway, regardless of the $/y amount.

Hawthorn could afford Franklin's deal, but if he was injured and didn't play four years it costs you $5,000,000
With Shiel,Scully & Lobb of their books,gws will have to money to keep Cogs.
 

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With Shiel,Scully & Lobb of their books,gws will have to money to keep Cogs.
Yeah it seems like they have prioritised Cogs and Kelly (fair enough too) and moved others on to keep them.

That's why I reckon the only way we get a look in is if he wants back to WA since I doubt WC have the coin.
 
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Yeah it seems like they have prioritised Cogs and Kelly (fair enough too) and moved others on to keep them.

That's why I reckon the only way we get a look in is if he wants back to WA since I doubt WC have the coin.
Bizarre that they got rid of Shiel - he is a gun. Unless of course he was on astronomical money..
 

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Bizarre that they got rid of Shiel - he is a gun. Unless of course he was on astronomical money..
I think their list management must have been poor (probably overpaying in the early years which is fair enough) and they just didn't have the coin. They also perennially have 2-3 new first rounders to plan future salaries for.

I think Cogs and Kelly are better players and think Taranto will also be.
 

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Just because Darcy is a bit out of sorts atm, don't mistakenly think he isn't still seen as our long term #1 ruck. He is an incredibly good young ruck - it would be incredibly dumb to trade him out. I very much doubt he is upset he isn't playing AFL atm - he knows when he gets himself back in to form and fitness he'll be knocking down the door again. Similarly with Cox - he's a smart footballer and would know that he isn't in top form atm - he was still first in line last week and he might still be in this week (depending on McCarthy). You just don't trade out young talent like them - they still have endless development to go and are already extremely good depth (at worst) in the meantime. I still see both as two of the best young talls in the AFL. Integrity at selection and winning games is the best retainment methodology imo. If players are upset they can't make the team when selection is fair and the team is winning then they aren't team players so why would you want to keep them?

I think our players all seem excited about the future - and so they should be - we should do everything in our power to keep them unless they request to go. That doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to trade in more experienced players but I would rather use picks and make sure they are good value (given who we already have on our list now and into the future) rather than play around with trading out our youngsters to find more currency.
 

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With the likely exodus of Ballas and Sandi, I think it is important to hold onto Barra for at least one more. Especially with Shilly (who would become the oldest player) seemingly struggling to get on the park.

Unless of course, he drops off big time in the back half of this year.
 

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While he will be a big loss, at least we are somewhat prepped for Mundy finishing. Hopefully we are looking promising for 2020 and it keeps him interested.

Be interesting to see Darcy vs English this round. Won't happen due to our team balance, but would be a real contrast of styles and comparative development.
 
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Just because Darcy is a bit out of sorts atm, don't mistakenly think he isn't still seen as our long term #1 ruck. He is an incredibly good young ruck - it would be incredibly dumb to trade him out. I very much doubt he is upset he isn't playing AFL atm - he knows when he gets himself back in to form and fitness he'll be knocking down the door again. Similarly with Cox - he's a smart footballer and would know that he isn't in top form atm - he was still first in line last week and he might still be in this week (depending on McCarthy). You just don't trade out young talent like them - they still have endless development to go and are already extremely good depth (at worst) in the meantime. I still see both as two of the best young talls in the AFL. Integrity at selection and winning games is the best retainment methodology imo. If players are upset they can't make the team when selection is fair and the team is winning then they aren't team players so why would you want to keep them?

I think our players all seem excited about the future - and so they should be - we should do everything in our power to keep them unless they request to go. That doesn't mean we shouldn't seek to trade in more experienced players but I would rather use picks and make sure they are good value (given who we already have on our list now and into the future) rather than play around with trading out our youngsters to find more currency.
You can for other young enough talent that's needed (midfielders). I just doubt we'll be playing the 3 forwards plus Lobb, plus Darcy, unless we get a few more gun midfielders, or at least the full complement of our best midfielders.
 
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