2019 List Management Thread

Orasia Fantazio

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I put my trade block up a couple months ago but while we’re talking trades I’ll just chuck out there a lot of my forwards are still on the table. All except for Rozee and to a lesser degree the King twins and Naughton who I could be persuaded with a mega deal.

Up for grabs I’ve got:
Finlayson
Mitch Lewis
AMT
Mihocek
Todd Marshall
K Langford
McStay
J Cripps
Hanrahan
Brennan Cox
Stoddart
Oskar Baker
Lachie Schultz

Looking for mids and Backs aged 25 or under or Draft picks
 
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Orasia Fantazio

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Mortgage their future on Coniglio? The dude is 25 and a consistent top 20 player 9 cat player. I think I'm pretty justified in trying to get a top 10 pick in the deal. 😅 You'd do well as a Melb fan with such positivity 🤣
Yeah a top 10 pick is pretty reasonable. Unfortunately I’m not interested because he’s not in the age demographic I’m looking at, but definitely fair!
 

richcogs

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Smith is high risk/high reward. He was a top 10 player across the comp in the previous season for me and his possession and tackle numbers are elite. It fills a need for TW with his tackle category letting him down previously.
Fair.

What I will do when I get a moment between Philippines and South America is to analyse all LWP trades and see the winner and loser from each of his trades. I think everyone should analyse somebody else and I will LWP. I remember a time when others were disputing my putting up a wall to his trades, now we can look back and reflect a while later 😀 Everyone can take some learning therefrom!

Trading youth for experience has been horrible for me I'll just say right now. Cripps and Kelly trades diabolical. I was drunk when making that Kelly trade.
 

tenderwarrior

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Fair.

What I will do when I get a moment between Philippines and South America is to analyse all LWP trades and see the winner and loser from each of his trades. I think everyone should analyse somebody else and I will LWP. I remember a time when others were disputing my putting up a wall to his trades, now we can look back and reflect a while later 😀 Everyone can take some learning therefrom!

Trading youth for experience has been horrible for me I'll just say right now. Cripps and Kelly trades diabolical. I was drunk when making that Kelly trade.
It is a great idea, but I don't have time for that right now. I do recall a few trades getting vetoed back in the day that would have turned out huge wins for the coach that others thought was being slaughtered in the deal.

If somebody has a bit of spare time, rather than analyzing 8 years of trading, maybe they can do a "community service" and start the '2020 list management thread' for us this off-season?
 

deeman87

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For every trade where someone got a kid with high upside who turned into an absolute gun for an established guy, the opposite exists. It's much easier to focus on the above because it's glaringly obvious, but the trade where the kid doesn't work out gets forgotten because the kid gets forgotten. When you look through the 1st round 5 years later there's always half the round that's a bust. Trading for experienced premium players is a much safer way to do business if you can do it well, but you do need a decent young core to build around for sure.
 

tenderwarrior

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Smith is high risk/high reward. He was a top 10 player across the comp in the previous season for me and his possession and tackle numbers are elite. It fills a need for TW with his tackle category letting him down previously.
Warriors glad to get Smith back, and we will trust our use of the late picks and FA list to find some good kids this year.
 

Rockford

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Ouch. I know UF doesn’t align exactly with Champion Data but seeing Dunkley and Billings lose F status while the likes of Devon Smith and Whitfield gain F status and Greene and Dusty retain their F status suggests it’s going to be a big hill to climb to get a competitive F line this season. Anyone looking for mids, let me know..
 

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tenderwarrior

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Ouch. I know UF doesn’t align exactly with Champion Data but seeing Dunkley and Billings lose F status while the likes of Devon Smith and Whitfield gain F status and Greene and Dusty retain their F status suggests it’s going to be a big hill to climb to get a competitive F line this season. Anyone looking for mids, let me know..
Warriors will be playing 9/10 forwards per week by the sounds of it 😅
 

richcogs

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For every trade where someone got a kid with high upside who turned into an absolute gun for an established guy, the opposite exists. It's much easier to focus on the above because it's glaringly obvious, but the trade where the kid doesn't work out gets forgotten because the kid gets forgotten. When you look through the 1st round 5 years later there's always half the round that's a bust. Trading for experienced premium players is a much safer way to do business if you can do it well, but you do need a decent young core to build around for sure.
But you also need the list to be trading for experienced star. If your not competing for a premiership then it's useless. A 25/26 year old will be 30/31 by the time your competing for glory! Then you have resting before finals and injury a more of a concern. If anyone wants to look into a proper rebuild analysis Rockford trades over the years.
 

deeman87

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But you also need the list to be trading for experienced star. If your not competing for a premiership then it's useless. A 25/26 year old will be 30/31 by the time your competing for glory! Then you have resting before finals and injury a more of a concern. If anyone wants to look into a proper rebuild analysis Rockford trades over the years.
I agree. Why do you think i traded all my oldies and am building through the draft. But once you have that core in place to compete and you're in the top 5 or 6 teams, trading for established stars is a pretty proven way of winning.
 

richcogs

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I agree. Why do you think i traded all my oldies and am building through the draft. But once you have that core in place to compete and you're in the top 5 or 6 teams, trading for established stars is a pretty proven way of winning.
Yes, so then there is really just 5/6 teams in the market. Would you say a list like LWP's would benefit from having an A grader thats 25/26?
 

deeman87

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Yes, so then there is really just 5/6 teams in the market. Would you say a list like LWP's would benefit from having an A grader thats 25/26?
Well that depends. Would you say it's okay to just lay into someone over and over like a common despicable school yard bully. Wtf did LWP ever do to you for you to just lay into him post after post and in PMs. Are your social skills and understanding of gaming etiquette really that non existent? No but seriously WHY THE **** would I discuss my thoughts on optimal strategy for peoples lists with an entire league I was trying to beat...Your posting is totally out of line the last week. You dont just take a dump on people's trade blocks like you did to TWs thus making anyone who trades for them lose face in front of the whole league. You dont tell people how they should and shouldn't play a game. You certainly don't continually try to dissuade people from trading for a player with the sole intention of trying to drive down their value so you can try to trade for them yourself... 🤦‍♂️🙄

And yes Coniglio is 25 and may play til hes 35 who knows. He would improve every single teams list including LWP. He would certainly be a great addition for the top 8-10 lists. Whether its optimal for that list is up to that coach.
 

tenderwarrior

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At the risk of being ridiculed.. 😅

Updated Trade List.
- Will Hoskin-Elliott
- Tex Walker
- Jeremy McGovern
- Allan Christensen
- Sam Mayes

Just after draft pick offers for the above. Not a fire sale, but I think I am reasonable to trade with.

I would also entertain offers for Joe Daniher, looking to swap in a Centre.
 

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