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Black 18

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They will probably filter out all the ones they know came from 'Bigfooty'.
Don't worry, mate. I know plenty of supporters that have never used BigFooty that are just as annoyed as we are. Infact, a high percentage of the supporters I know are not forum tragics like us.

They'll be getting the message loud & clear, they just won't acknowledge that though. They'll say there was a little unrest but overwhelmingly the fans wanted what they intend to give us in any form they please.

That is how Koch operates.
 

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I had no choice but to select the obvious for home games - completely unrealistic and will be written off as me and everyone else being deluded or uneducated on the realities of the situation.

But if you don’t select it at all the stats will be used as justification it’s not a battle worth fighting and enthusiasts are just an ageing vocal minority trapped in the past.

Also forced to choose silver for the clash - I prefer the white which wasn’t even listed, teal is a distant twelfth and the current home black isn’t a genuine option as a clash, let alone the “black and white stripes”.

Urgh.
This post describes my experience and thought process word for word. It's blatant manipulation. But there's nothing we can do about it, which was exactly the club's goal in setting it up that way.
 

El_Scorcho

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This post describes my experience and thought process word for word. It's blatant manipulation. But there's nothing we can do about it, which was exactly the club's goal in setting it up that way.
I've got on twitter and called them out on it because just answering the survey isn't direct enough.

I know my tweet will simply be ignored as well but they need to be called out on this sort of s**t publicly as often as possible
 

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Steve Dore

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It's come up a few times about AO Members nominating which team they support. I just logged in to send my ticket to an Essendon supporter for Friday night and this is from the Member Details screen.

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bomberclifford

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It's come up a few times about AO Members nominating which team they support. I just logged in to send my ticket to an Essendon supporter for Friday night and this is from the Member Details screen.

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My question has always been, what happens when someone selects 'Hawthorn' in that preference?

Since the total number of AO Members get allocated to Port or Crows based on a ratio, how are the non-SA supporters dealt with?

I'd also be interested to know if there is a 'none' option and what the default setting is.


One last observation, 'Receive Info from Club of Support' is interesting wording.
I wonder if this is tied to the 'Member Pack' requirement for AFL to include it in official membership counts.
 

Steve Dore

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My question has always been, what happens when someone selects 'Hawthorn' in that preference?

Since the total number of AO Members get allocated to Port or Crows based on a ratio, how are the non-SA supporters dealt with?

I'd also be interested to know if there is a 'none' option and what the default setting is.


One last observation, 'Receive Info from Club of Support' is interesting wording.
I wonder if this is tied to the 'Member Pack' requirement for AFL to include it in official membership counts.
Yes, there's an option for every AFL club plus "Both Adelaide and Port Adelaide" and "None" so it is not cut and dried. Allocating members by their preference and then splitting the neutrals along the same percentage as the Camry Crows/Ports declared support would be fairer than the Olsen-Whicker Formula.

The receive info from the club has nothing to do with membership packs. Before they brought that in I used to receive marketing spam from both the Camry Crows and Ports.
 

bomberclifford

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Yes, there's an option for every AFL club plus "Both Adelaide and Port Adelaide" and "None" so it is not cut and dried. Allocating members by their preference and then splitting the neutrals along the same percentage as the Camry Crows/Ports declared support would be fairer than the Olsen-Whicker Formula.

The receive info from the club has nothing to do with membership packs. Before they brought that in I used to receive marketing spam from both the Camry Crows and Ports.
Thanks for that info.

If a neutral is someone who selects 'none' or 'any club other than Crows/Port', why would they need to be split according to the Crows / Port ratio?
Either they should all be allocated to both clubs or split 50/50.

They're technically a member of both clubs by nature of the ticket that they have, but the AFL doesn't like the two SA teams double dipping on membership numbers, so I get why they need to be split.

Why the assumption that they need to be allocated according to an unrelated ratio?
 
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Steve Dore

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Thanks for that info.

If a neutral is someone who selects 'none' or 'any club other than Crows/Port', why would they need to be split according to the Crows / Port ratio?
Either they should all be allocated to both clubs or split 50/50.

They're technically a member of both clubs by nature of the ticket that they have, but the AFL doesn't like the two SA teams double dipping on membership numbers, so I get why they need to be split.

Why the assumption that they need to be allocated according to an unrelated ratio?
Why do they need to be allocated at all?

I'm saying that allocating neutrals based on the actual supporter split is fairer than the current system of allocating all members using the Olsen-Whicker Formula which is 70/30 or similar.

As I have posted a number of times previously, the SMA increased memberships by $100 some years back so that $50 could go to each of the clubs that play home games at AO so all members would be counted as members of both clubs. Despite this members are still split between the two clubs.

I think we agree that AOFMs are effectively members of both SA based AFL clubs for the purpose of membership counts.
 

bomberclifford

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I'm saying that allocating neutrals based on the actual supporter split is fairer than the current system of allocating all members using the Olsen-Whicker Formula which is 70/30 or similar.
I thought the 70/30 split was the support split?


As I have posted a number of times previously, the SMA increased memberships by $100 some years back so that $50 could go to each of the clubs that play home games at AO so all members would be counted as members of both clubs. Despite this members are still split between the two clubs.
From what I've heard, this is what the AFL put a stop to. They didn't like the fact that they were double counted.
 
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