2019 New Zealand vs England (5 T20Is, 2 Tests)

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If Boult isn't fit it will be a struggle for them.
wagner is the key over here, not boult.

boult is obviously an excellent bowler but wagner has time and again proven he can persist (he’s done it again in this match) in a flat pitch and find success. I was a long time doubter of him but he’s convinced me.
 

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They have no real incentive to do it as they already lead the series but with no WTC points in the line I’d love to see NZ try and see off this deficit as quick as possible and make things interesting
 

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wagner is the key over here, not boult.

boult is obviously an excellent bowler but wagner has time and again proven he can persist (he’s done it again in this match) in a flat pitch and find success. I was a long time doubter of him but he’s convinced me.
He didn't really do it again.

England could of batted for another 2 days if they wanted to, they started slogging to accelerate the game.
 

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He didn't really do it again.

England could of batted for another 2 days if they wanted to, they started slogging to accelerate the game.
so what.

someone put their hand up to keep pounding in and again it was wagner and as a consequence NZ’s predicament is much safer than it would have been if they were chasing 150-200 to make England bat again.

on the back of 5-44 last week.
Every one of his 9 five wicket hauls have come on a surface that has produced at least one score of 437 or higher.

I shake my head at how telegraphed his wickets are at times but he is a proven performer on batting tracks. That’s invaluable when you come to australia
 

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Another failure from, Raval, surely he can't hold his spot for the Australian test series now, they'd be better off going back to someone like Rutherford

England probably the only team that can win this test now, NZ will just be looking to bat out a draw and win the series.
 

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Another failure from, Raval, surely he can't hold his spot for the Australian test series now, they'd be better off going back to someone like Rutherford

England probably the only team that can win this test now, NZ will just be looking to bat out a draw and win the series.
Given his domestic record I find ut Gard to believe that raval gets this many chances but Munro can’t get a look in
 

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so what.

someone put their hand up to keep pounding in and again it was wagner and as a consequence NZ’s predicament is much safer than it would have been if they were chasing 150-200 to make England bat again.

on the back of 5-44 last week.
Every one of his 9 five wicket hauls have come on a surface that has produced at least one score of 437 or higher.

I shake my head at how telegraphed his wickets are at times but he is a proven performer on batting tracks. That’s invaluable when you come to australia
I don't doubt that Wagner will be their best bowler here.

Henry and Southee are the two they should be worried about.
 

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NZ is like England light really going down the poaching pathway with Devon Conway looking likely to add to the growing list of players who started their first class overseas and moved to NZ to play for the black caps. This list includes current test players Neil Wagner and Colin DeGrandhome and former player like Luke Ronchi and Grant Elliott
 

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NZ is like England light really going down the poaching pathway with Devon Conway looking likely to add to the growing list of players who started their first class overseas and moved to NZ to play for the black caps. This list includes current test players Neil Wagner and Colin DeGrandhome and former player like Luke Ronchi and Grant Elliott
I haven’t looked into it in depth but I think their method is a lot more un-poaching like than England’s.
They have a generally weaker competition so it’s a useful alternative for players seeking an option if they’re disillusioned with the quota system like wagner
 

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I haven’t looked into it in depth but I think their method is a lot more un-poaching like than England’s.
They have a generally weaker competition so it’s a useful alternative for players seeking an option if they’re disillusioned with the quota system like wagner
Look the Plunket Shield isn’t anywhere near as strong as the County Championship. I agree that New Zealand aren’t actively trying to poach players but they are leaving spots open to qualify players.

It’s a hard one a strong NZ is bloody good for test cricket but we need to make sure South Africa doesn’t go the way of the West Indies
 

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He’s been given one test - 6 years ago - to prove himself. Given how long they persisted with guptill that seems harsh
And Raval has been averaging 8 in FC cricket over the last 12 months. Think they have Conway earmarked to come in next year when he becomes eligible
 

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Of course he’s allowed down tests and can’t dominate every match but it is interesting the series Archer has had. 22 wickets in his first four tests. Now just two so far for 209 runs in this series.
 

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Of course he’s allowed down tests and can’t dominate every match but it is interesting the series Archer has had. 22 wickets in his first four tests. Now just two so far for 209 runs in this series.
that was always the question, very easy to get wickets at home with the Duke ball where it moves. Lets see him do it overseas
 

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I see dobell still crying about pitches and the ball, for a senior cricinfo writer he really does come across like a sooky fan sometimes he was already giving the english quicks excuses after the tour game then basically spent the first three days of the series talking about how unfair the ball was (he clearly felt the game was a surefire draw) then englands batsmen got rolled on the same bowler killer deck and he stops talking about it till this test now he is saying nz are killing test cricket with these pitches.

England need to accept their bowlers aren't good enough without tons of assistance but their batsmen then aren't good enough to survive on those same bowler friendly tracks, there is no pitch that can overcome mediocrity as somebody from your side will be exposed.
 
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I see dobell still crying about pitches and the ball, for a senior cricinfo writer he really does come across like a sooky fan sometimes he was already giving the english quicks excuses after the tour game then basically spent the first three days of the series talking about how unfair the ball was (he clearly felt the game was a surefire draw) then englands batsmen got rolled on the same bowler killer deck deck and he stops talking about it till this test now he is saying nz are killing test cricket with these pitches.

England need to accept their bowlers aren't good enough without tons of assistance but their batsmen then aren't good enough to survive on those same bowler friendly tracks, there is no pitch that can overcome mediocrity as somebody from your side will be exposed.
There isn't a bigger fanboi in cricket writing than Dobell. Would not surprise me if he sleeps with Jos Buttler posters on his wall.
 

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He actually came out and said it was the worst test series he has ever covered, first test was a good finish and this might have been a really good game if not for terrible fielding from both sides and a huge amount of rain.

To me this is the consequence from the over hype with archer, you even had senior writers like agnew calling archer a once in a generation bowler and the man for all seasons who would be the difference maker on dead tracks so when things don't turn out the way you dreamed you either accept you jumped the gun or you blame others.

p.s. before anybody complains im not having a go at archer he is a very promising young quick and it's not his fault so many just assumed he was going to repeat that lords spell on a regular basis wherever he went, he needs plenty of time to learn his trade on pitches that don't offer the quicks that much.
 

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