Which is a major source of delusion
So you understand where it comes from.
Not sure the relevance of the AFL data, damn impressive if it floats your boat.
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Which is a major source of delusion
The point is the AFL has 27 hours of football for half the year averaging 450k viewers per hour (FTA and STV) or about 18 at 600k if you account for overlapping games. Not to mention the 35k average going to games
So you understand where it comes from.
Not sure the relevance of the AFL data, damn impressive if it floats your boat.
99% of AFL fans would’ve loved to see the WC in Australia but no organisation in their right mind would’ve copped what soccer was trying to impose on the AFL. I can’t believe any soccer fan can actually not understand this and can actually try make the AFL the bad guys.That's what the AFL said, but there was so much anti soccer rhetoric at the time which i put down to fear. Fear that kids would take to soccer.
For non AFL fans it came over as insular by the AFL and some AFL fans.
I really can't see any fear of the biggest sporting event in the world coming to Australia, if it gets kids playing sport and away from computer games.
I await the obvious attacks by the insular fans
It's amazing how often this important point is forgotten.
The AFL maintains a high level of interest across 27 hours of football every week for 27 weeks per annum. The sheer volume of interest is why the AFL industry kills it in regard to sponsorship revenue, and daylight is second.
The world cup (which I too follow closely), is four solid weeks every four years. And even then, it's FIFA pulling in the big bucks (the FFA makes a tidy sum for appearing in the group stages, of which 95% is immediately gobbled up in expenses of competing).
It's amazing how often this important point is forgotten.
Apologies, I have previously got the impression you think we should be comparing the A League and the NRL with the state football leagues because there is representative (and thus higher) competitions in those codes. Apologies if I have misinterpreted you on this occasion
We all understand the State leagues are 2nd tier ( Subi ), AFL is the top level, the GF the best we've got.
Your constant need to compare it with a 4th or 5th level soccer comp is disingenuous.
Some of your ilk battle to understand the role of Origin & NEED to compare the codes at GF level, when Jack the blind miner sees through them. IF you were a sports fan IMHO you would understand the difference in psyche of the competitions, given Origin came out of Subi .
Regular season: Aggregate of 89.11 million (LINK) over 198 games - average of just over 450k per game (over 1.35 million viewing hours per games simplifying to 3 hours per game). This does not take into account overlapping games.Only seen it very recently, did I miss a link that supports it?
SOO is important to the NRL, but it's only 3 games (plus a huge distraction from the home and away season).
It's the only time they are getting 50+k attendances (outside of the grand final), whereas the AFL is getting at least one of these at least once every couple of weeks right through the season.
Regular season: Aggregate of 89.11 million (LINK) over 198 games - average of just over 450k per game (over 1.35 million viewing hours per games simplifying to 3 hours per game). This does not take into account overlapping games.
When considering the fact that the two Saturday night games typically run at exactly the same time, as well as two earlier Saturday games and the Sunday game, there are 6 games worth of "unique" hours (it is worth noting that this is inexact however as weeks with Thursday night games, Easter and ANZAC round etc mess the assumptions up).
Finals: Aggregate of 14.335 million (same link as above) over 9 games - average of almost 1.6 million per game (almost 4.8 viewing hours per game using the above simplifications).
Overall: Aggregate of 103.445 million over 207 game - average of just under 500k per game (just shy of 1.5 million viewing hours per game).
We all understand the State leagues are 2nd tier ( Subi ), AFL is the top level, the GF the best we've got.
Your constant need to compare it with a 4th or 5th level soccer comp is disingenuous.
Some of your ilk battle to understand the role of Origin & NEED to compare the codes at GF level, when Jack the blind miner sees through them. IF you were a sports fan IMHO you would understand the difference in psyche of the competitions, given Origin came out of Subi .
You miss the point yet again.
It is got nothing to do with comparing the AFL ratings to a "4th or 5th level soccer comp"
The AFL had over 300 million adult viewer hours on FTA and STV this season. The last A League season has about 15 million. Nobody is making that comparison and suggesting it tells the full story of relative popularity of the sports....
....But this thread started when Bobbi Mori was claiming some great latent support for soccer. But if you add up all the hours of live pro soccer watched, including the world cup pro european leagues etc (probably thousands of hours of content), I would say you are still very unlikely to get over 100 million adult hours in Australia based on available information.
For some reason you can't follow an argument which I guess isn't your fault but it can be quite annoying at times
I dont miss the point, seems the numbers you have recently started using have been linked to Sep 30. The discussion you (again) dont link is not new, the soccer the sleeping giant claim is not a recent invention.
Was it you who claimed its fair to compare GFs code v code. Thru Aussie Rules eyes it understandable, disingenuous though it is.
Sorry to question your process to compare codes, its as a life long AFL supporter who loves sport.
This is a pretty bizarre comment I think.The irony of a gws fan questioning money spent on stadiums based on crowds - how many times has gws averaged over 50% capacity at spotless for a season.
Another weird one. I think if you're attributing the drop off in A-League viewership entirely to online streaming then you're clutching at straws. Consider the flipside - if this were true, why would Foxtel be unhappy with the deal as it stands. They hold the online streaming rights via Kayo (unless there is another source that the a-league fans are attributing to the fall?).Afl fans are older & less tech savvy.
Soccer is a mature and established player in the region (in fact - I think it is fair to say that western Sydney is the heartland of soccer in Australia). In comparison, AR and GWS are still in their early growth phase. I would hope the top league of soccer in the country, in a bigger and more accessible stadium nonetheless, would be outdrawing the Giants. This is not exactly a problem for the AFL. If the Giants can get to that 20k average mark (very tough to do in the smaller stadium due to the expensive tickets) within 20 years, then that is complete success.Biggest non derby crowd for WSW despite heavy rain & zero marketing - crushes gws.
you are the one who seems to keep comparing soccer support to the AFL/NRL. All i said was that soccer has a large support base, and considering it is a top 5 sport in this country, I think that is a fair statement to make.You miss the point yet again.
It is got nothing to do with comparing the AFL ratings to a "4th or 5th level soccer comp"
The AFL had over 300 million adult viewer hours on FTA and STV this season. The last A League season has about 15 million. Nobody is making that comparison and suggesting it tells the full story of relative popularity of the sports....
....But this thread started when Bobbi Mori was claiming some great latent support for soccer. But if you add up all the hours of live pro soccer watched, including the world cup pro european leagues etc (probably thousands of hours of content), I would say you are still very unlikely to get over 100 million adult hours in Australia based on available information.
For some reason you can't follow an argument which I guess isn't your fault but it can be quite annoying at times
you are the one who seems to keep comparing soccer support to the AFL/NRL. All i said was that soccer has a large support base, and considering it is a top 5 sport in this country, I think that is a fair statement to make.
You obviously don't think that. The fact of the matter is neither of us is right or wrong. large is relative to what we think it is in the end. I hate to be a large bore in this small argument but it really is a pointless thing to discuss
you are the one who seems to keep comparing soccer support to the AFL/NRL
So the A-league has record ratings and crowds at the moment. They are currently at the peak and has the full engagement of the football community.If you recall though, this discussion started when you referring to the FFA / A League said "they have massively failed here and can do way better"
I am saying that they can't do way better and it is unshakable delusion of hard core soccer fans about the level of popularity of soccer in Australia that leads to expectations being raised ridiculously and subsequent let downs and all of the finger pointing and conspiracy theorising that follows.
wow, thats bad. I also saw your tweet regarding the fact the nbl didn't make the Fox top 20 last night (cutoff at 26k) on friday.NBL
Sat - 19k (metro FTA), - no regs available
Sun - 14k (metro FTA) - no regs available
Which is pretty much what he said too. He is a known w***er but does seem to get the job done.
Are the ratings broken up into adult & jnr? When is one considered an "adult"? If so, what are the corresponding ratings for junior viewers in AF & soccer?The AFL had over 300 million adult[?] viewer hours on FTA and STV this season. The last A League season has about 15 million. Nobody is making that comparison and suggesting it tells the full story of relative popularity of the sports....
.... But if you add up all the hours of live pro soccer watched, including the world cup pro european leagues etc (probably thousands of hours of content), I would say you are still very unlikely to get over 100 million[?] adult hours in Australia based on available information.
Especially the Australian tourism industry.The World Cup issue was well covered here at the time, nothing gained then - so much finger pointing, it cost $mils plenty.
We all lost.
A lot of sports fans are uneducated, including AFL fans who's behaviour at times inside and outside the grounds is unacceptable through not being able to handle the grog.I think the main reason is that non-AFL fans are uneducated about the sporting landscape in Australia. Many are still of the view that the Government handed Docklands over to the AFL for nothing. Many don't understand that it's the AFL which makes a 100,000 capacity stadium like the MCG possible.
There was this expectation that the AFL should not play their season, and you'd have to wonder what kind of a moron would have such an expectation?
Then there was surprise expressed by these fans that the AFL had long-term leases over their two primary stadiums.
Then there was surprise by these fans that the Government had zero sway over Docklands and that the AFL's hold on it was watertight. There were calls to change the laws! To send in the troops!
Then there was surprise that even getting a hold of the MCG was going to result in tens of millions of dollars in compensation being paid to the AFL.
Soon after, we received one vote...