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RedV3x

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A decade ago, I would have been hoping that things would have been better than they are now
To say that countries "can't seem to bridge the gap" is simply because the number and depth of top countries keeps rising.
Canada is on track to have enough participants for Australian Football to be declared a national sport
but as of yet it hasn't climbed the ladder. That's disappointing for Canada but not Australian Football.
With the establishment of AFL Switzerland, Italian clubs are playing more games than before.
AFL Pacific is booming with investment in PNG and Fiji and football is played in the other smaller islands as well.
Europe has seen major developments which has shaded Scandinavia but Scandinavia is still there.
AFL Asia has seen major developments with add hoc expat clubs now organized and stocked with nationals.

*Countries playing Australian Football in regular competition.*

O1.Abu Dhabi, AFLME
02.Argentina, AFLArgentina
03.Australia, AFL
04.Austria, EU
05.Bahrain, AFLME
06.Brunei, BAFL/AFLAsia
07.Cambodia, AFLAsia
08.Canada, AFLC, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
09.China, AFLAsia IC
10.Colombia, CAFL
11.Croatia, CAAF, ECP, IC, EU
12.Czech Rebublic, CAFL, EU
13.Denmark, DAFL, ECP, IC
14.Dubai, AFLME
15.East Timor, AFLTimorLeste, IC
16.England, AFLEngland, IC, ECP, EU
17.Fiji, AFLFiji, IC
18.Finland, FAFL, IC, ECP, EU
19.France, CNFA, IC, EU
20.Germany, AFLGermany, ECP, EU
21.Hong Kong, AFLAsia
22.Iceland, AFLIceland, ECP, EU
23.India, AFLIndia, IC
24.Indonesia, AFLIndonesia, IC
25.Ireland, AFLIreland, IC, ECP
26.Italy, AFLItaly
27.Japan, JAFL, IC
28.Kuwait, AFLME
29.Laos, AFLAsia
30.Macau, AFLAsia
31.Malaysia, AFLAsia
32.Myanmar, AFLAsia
33.Nauru, NAFA, IC
34.Netherlands, DAFA, EU
35.New Zealand, AFLNZ, IC
36.Norway, NAFL, EU
37.Oman, AFLME
38.Pakistan, PAFL, IC
39.Papua New Guinea, AFLPNG, IC
40.Philippines, PAFL
41.Qatar, AFLME
42.Russia, AFLRussia, EU
43.Samoa, SAFA, IC
44.Scotland, AFLScotland, EU
45.Singapore, AFLAsia
46.Solomon Islands, SIAFL
47.South Africa, AFLSA, IC
48.Sri Lanka, AFSL, AFLSia, IC
49.Sweden, SAFL, IC, ECP
50.Switzerland, AFLSwitzerland, EU
51.Thailand, AFLAsia
52.Tonga, AFLTonga, IC
53.United States America, USAFL, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
54.Vanuatu, AFLVanuatu
55.Vietnam, AFLAsia
56.Wales, WARFL

*Countries playing Australian Football in irregular Competition*

01.Andorra, Andorra Crows, CAFL
02.Belgium, AFLBelgium, EU
03.Catalonia, LFAC, IC, EU
04.Chile, Santiago Saints, internationls
05.Mongolia, AFLMongolia, internationals
06.Portugal, AFLPortugal, EU
07.Poland, AFLPoland, EU, internationals
08.Spain, AFLSpain, IC
09.Israel, IC, EU
10.Palestine, IC. EU

*Countries playing Australian Football in informal Competition*

01.Bermuda, Bermuda Lions
02.Botswana, FootyWild Brazil,
03.Brazil Carnaval Georgia, EU
04.Ghana, FootyWild
05.Kenya, FootyWild, internationals
06.Lebanon, Lebanon Falcons
07.Malta, Auskick
08.Montenegro, IC
09.Rwanda, FootyWild
10.Senegal, IAFC
11.South Sudan, Footywild
12.Tanzania, FootyWild, internationals
13.Uganda, FootyWild, internationals
14.Zimbabwe, FootyWild, internationals

Recently

01.Bulgaria, AFLBulgaria, internationals
02.Estonia, AFLEstonia
03.Hungary, Budapest Bats
04.Nepal, AFLAsia
05.Malawi, Auskick
 

RedV3x

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. Doesn't mean it hasn't had any growth
Well let's look at the growth then.

*Countries playing Australian Football in regular competition.*

O1.Abu Dhabi, AFLME
02.Argentina, AFLArgentina
***03.Australia, AFL
04.Austria, EU
05.Bahrain, AFLME
06.Brunei, BAFL/AFLAsia
*07.Cambodia, AFLAsia
***08.Canada, AFLC, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
**09.China, AFLAsia IC
*10.Colombia, CAFL
*11.Croatia, CAAF, ECP, IC, EU
12.Czech Rebublic, CAFL, EU
13.Denmark, DAFL, ECP, IC
14.Dubai, AFLME
15.East Timor, AFLTimorLeste, IC
**16.England, AFLEngland, IC, ECP, EU
**17.Fiji, AFLFiji, IC
18.Finland, FAFL, IC, ECP, EU
*19.France, CNFA, IC, EU
**20.Germany, AFLGermany, ECP, EU
*21.Hong Kong, AFLAsia
22.Iceland, AFLIceland, ECP, EU
***23.India, AFLIndia, IC
*24.Indonesia, AFLIndonesia, IC
25.Ireland, AFLIreland, IC, ECP
26.Italy, AFLItaly
27.Japan, JAFL, IC
28.Kuwait, AFLME
29.Laos, AFLAsia
*30.Macau, AFLAsia
*31.Malaysia, AFLAsia
*32.Myanmar, AFLAsia
33.Nauru, NAFA, IC
*34.Netherlands, DAFA, EU
**35.New Zealand, AFLNZ, IC
36.Norway, NAFL, EU
37.Oman, AFLME
*38.Pakistan, PAFL, IC
***39.Papua New Guinea, AFLPNG, IC
*40.Philippines, PAFL
41.Qatar, AFLME
*42.Russia, AFLRussia, EU
43.Samoa, SAFA, IC
*44.Scotland, AFLScotland, EU
*45.Singapore, AFLAsia
*46.Solomon Islands, SIAFL
47.South Africa, AFLSA, IC
*48.Sri Lanka, AFSL, AFLSia, IC
49.Sweden, SAFL, IC, ECP
*50.Switzerland, AFLSwitzerland, EU
*51.Thailand, AFLAsia
52.Tonga, AFLTonga, IC
*53.United States America, USAFL, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
*54.Vanuatu, AFLVanuatu
*55.Vietnam, AFLAsia
*56.Wales, WARFL

*Countries playing Australian Football in irregular Competition*

01.Andorra, Andorra Crows, CAFL
02.Belgium, AFLBelgium, EU
03.Catalonia, LFAC, IC, EU
*04.Chile, Santiago Saints, internationls
05.Mongolia, AFLMongolia, internationals
06.Portugal, AFLPortugal, EU
*07.Poland, AFLPoland, EU, internationals
08.Spain, AFLSpain, IC
09.Israel, IC, EU
10.Palestine, IC. EU

*Countries playing Australian Football in informal Competition*

01.Bermuda, Bermuda Lions
02.Botswana, FootyWild Brazil,
03.Brazil Carnaval Georgia, EU
04.Ghana, FootyWild
05.Kenya, FootyWild, internationals
06.Lebanon, Lebanon Falcons
07.Malta, Auskick
08.Montenegro, IC
09.Rwanda, FootyWild
10.Senegal, IAFC
11.South Sudan, Footywild
12.Tanzania, FootyWild, internationals
13.Uganda, FootyWild, internationals
14.Zimbabwe, FootyWild, internationals

Recently

01.Bulgaria, AFLBulgaria, internationals
02.Estonia, AFLEstonia
03.Hungary, Budapest Bats
04.Nepal, AFLAsia
05.Malawi, Auskick
 

Gigantor

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At least Vietnam can boast of a current premiership player having played in their competition.
Who can forget the sight of Tony Liberatore going up in the ruck at the centre bounce, streaming out and kicking a goal from 50m.
 

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Les Malone

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At least Vietnam can boast of a current premiership player having played in their competition.
Who can forget the sight of Tony Liberatore going up in the ruck at the centre bounce, streaming out and kicking a goal from 50m.
I think my wife's favorite player Jimmy Bartel played in Denmark for a season or at least a few games.

I am not sure whether she liked him as a player or just liked him, i get the feeling it was the latter.
 

Gigantor

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I think my wife's favorite player Jimmy Bartel played in Denmark for a season or at least a few games.

I am not sure whether she liked him as a player or just liked him, i get the feeling it was the latter.
I have a vague memory that it was Finland
 

BringBackTorps

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The Age M. Gleeson 18.2

The article states there were 586,422 Official regd. female participants in 2019. This is a very good increase of 11.1% from the 530,166 of 2018.

 

TWLS

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Just to make it more clear on the growth in Sydney using the under 12's as an example ...

In 2012 in Sydney there were 42 under 12's boys community club teams (32 in Swans zone, 10 in GWS zone or WS), no private school boys and girls teams, no community club girls teams


In 2019 in Sydney there were 129 under 12 teams

break up as follows

63 boys community club teams
28 girls community club teams
18 private school boys teams
20 private school girls teams

No doubt some double up of players between community and school, they play on different days, one plays Saturday, the other Sunday

Incredible rise really.
Good reporting. The growth in the private school sector extraordinary.
AFLNSW had to overcome stiff opposition from the Rugbyites in some schools to get a foot in the door. It originally started with a small comp after school on Fridays.
I have a question is anybody good at doing maps - IE A map of Sydney indicating where the above teams are.
 

Les Malone

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Jul 28, 2019
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Good reporting. The growth in the private school sector extraordinary.
AFLNSW had to overcome stiff opposition from the Rugbyites in some schools to get a foot in the door. It originally started with a small comp after school on Fridays.
I have a question is anybody good at doing maps - IE A map of Sydney indicating where the above teams are.
Yes that would be interesting, the bulk are in the N/NW suburbs and Eastern suburbs around the city that i am aware of.
 

Our Game

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Well let's look at the growth then.

*Countries playing Australian Football in regular competition.*

O1.Abu Dhabi, AFLME
02.Argentina, AFLArgentina
***03.Australia, AFL
04.Austria, EU
05.Bahrain, AFLME
06.Brunei, BAFL/AFLAsia
*07.Cambodia, AFLAsia
***08.Canada, AFLC, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
**09.China, AFLAsia IC
*10.Colombia, CAFL
*11.Croatia, CAAF, ECP, IC, EU
12.Czech Rebublic, CAFL, EU
13.Denmark, DAFL, ECP, IC
14.Dubai, AFLME
15.East Timor, AFLTimorLeste, IC
**16.England, AFLEngland, IC, ECP, EU
**17.Fiji, AFLFiji, IC
18.Finland, FAFL, IC, ECP, EU
*19.France, CNFA, IC, EU
**20.Germany, AFLGermany, ECP, EU
*21.Hong Kong, AFLAsia
22.Iceland, AFLIceland, ECP, EU
***23.India, AFLIndia, IC
*24.Indonesia, AFLIndonesia, IC
25.Ireland, AFLIreland, IC, ECP
26.Italy, AFLItaly
27.Japan, JAFL, IC
28.Kuwait, AFLME
29.Laos, AFLAsia
*30.Macau, AFLAsia
*31.Malaysia, AFLAsia
*32.Myanmar, AFLAsia
33.Nauru, NAFA, IC
*34.Netherlands, DAFA, EU
**35.New Zealand, AFLNZ, IC
36.Norway, NAFL, EU
37.Oman, AFLME
*38.Pakistan, PAFL, IC
***39.Papua New Guinea, AFLPNG, IC
*40.Philippines, PAFL
41.Qatar, AFLME
*42.Russia, AFLRussia, EU
43.Samoa, SAFA, IC
*44.Scotland, AFLScotland, EU
*45.Singapore, AFLAsia
*46.Solomon Islands, SIAFL
47.South Africa, AFLSA, IC
*48.Sri Lanka, AFSL, AFLSia, IC
49.Sweden, SAFL, IC, ECP
*50.Switzerland, AFLSwitzerland, EU
*51.Thailand, AFLAsia
52.Tonga, AFLTonga, IC
*53.United States America, USAFL, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
*54.Vanuatu, AFLVanuatu
*55.Vietnam, AFLAsia
*56.Wales, WARFL

*Countries playing Australian Football in irregular Competition*

01.Andorra, Andorra Crows, CAFL
02.Belgium, AFLBelgium, EU
03.Catalonia, LFAC, IC, EU
*04.Chile, Santiago Saints, internationls
05.Mongolia, AFLMongolia, internationals
06.Portugal, AFLPortugal, EU
*07.Poland, AFLPoland, EU, internationals
08.Spain, AFLSpain, IC
09.Israel, IC, EU
10.Palestine, IC. EU

*Countries playing Australian Football in informal Competition*

01.Bermuda, Bermuda Lions
02.Botswana, FootyWild Brazil,
03.Brazil Carnaval Georgia, EU
04.Ghana, FootyWild
05.Kenya, FootyWild, internationals
06.Lebanon, Lebanon Falcons
07.Malta, Auskick
08.Montenegro, IC
09.Rwanda, FootyWild
10.Senegal, IAFC
11.South Sudan, Footywild
12.Tanzania, FootyWild, internationals
13.Uganda, FootyWild, internationals
14.Zimbabwe, FootyWild, internationals

Recently

01.Bulgaria, AFLBulgaria, internationals
02.Estonia, AFLEstonia
03.Hungary, Budapest Bats
04.Nepal, AFLAsia
05.Malawi, Auskick
Seems like the South African AFLSA has fizzled out the Website is not working and you cant get any information beyond 2013.
 

RedV3x

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Seems like the South African AFLSA has fizzled out the Website is not working and you cant get any information beyond 2013.
More information in the International section.

 

Gigantor

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That's four years ago!
When you think back at how strong Sth Africa was 12 years ago, footy in Sth Africa has now fallen off a cliff.
I'm not saying anyone is to blame, planting the seeds of our indigenous game anywhere outside of Australia is a very big ask, and for the most part, you need some sort of Australian connection to keep it going.
Our game is a resource rich game, you're not going to get dozens of volunteers from thin air to get a vibrant competition up and running, and even if you do get one up and running, you need constant re-vitalisation of people to keep it going - it's a very big ask.
12 years ago (giver or take 3 years), we even had a Samoan team coming over for an IC and getting a couple of wins - all of that was on the back of one Australian introducing the game there, as soon as he left, it pretty much died. You can't rely on a one-off catalyst, it needs ongoing investment/input, and you need to maintain some sort of Australian connection to keep it going.
 

Gigantor

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So what are you doing about it?



No. The fact is that the most successful leagues are run by locals.
In some cases, Australians have been responsible for holding the game back.
In some cases, yeh, sort of, but you'd have trouble pointing to any league, you know a league with more than a handful of clubs, who can field at least 16 players, where there are zero aussies involved.
 

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RedV3x

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In some cases, yeh, sort of, but you'd have trouble pointing to any league, you know a league with more than a handful of clubs, who can field at least 16 players, where there are zero aussies involved.
I have no trouble at all at pointing to leagues and clubs that are successfully run by locals, the development is done by locals and that players are locals players. I've visited many European teams and have only met a handful of Australians in total - coaches and umpires, but no players. In North America, there's a bit more representation but again, it's the local content that drives the game and ensures the vibrancy of the game. Britain is the best example when it was the BARFL. As soon the league altered it's attitudes towards non-traditional football, the game bloomed with the formation of new clubs all around the UK and new leagues. Even the expat-driven region of Asia has invested heavily in boosting local recruitment. What other team sport has such a wide international competition as AFL Asia?
Today, we have the right blend of 9-a-side local competition and 18-a-side representative competition.
We see the main role of Australians (overseas) is as coaches and not administrators or player or umpires.
Local administrators know the best way to appeal to their countrymen and develop the game in their country.
Players are mostly transient. The standard of the football has lifted immensely and Australian players are no longer needed in most cases.
There has been a big effort in training umpires and most leagues now supply their own permanent umpires.
 

Gigantor

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May 13, 2012
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I have no trouble at all at pointing to leagues and clubs that are successfully run by locals, the development is done by locals and that players are locals players. I've visited many European teams and have only met a handful of Australians in total - coaches and umpires, but no players. In North America, there's a bit more representation but again, it's the local content that drives the game and ensures the vibrancy of the game. Britain is the best example when it was the BARFL. As soon the league altered it's attitudes towards non-traditional football, the game bloomed with the formation of new clubs all around the UK and new leagues. Even the expat-driven region of Asia has invested heavily in boosting local recruitment. What other team sport has such a wide international competition as AFL Asia?
Today, we have the right blend of 9-a-side local competition and 18-a-side representative competition.
We see the main role of Australians (overseas) is as coaches and not administrators or player or umpires.
Local administrators know the best way to appeal to their countrymen and develop the game in their country.
Players are mostly transient. The standard of the football has lifted immensely and Australian players are no longer needed in most cases.
There has been a big effort in training umpires and most leagues now supply their own permanent umpires.
So you're backing up my original point, without any form of Australian input (but most importantly, constant re-generation of Australian input), there is almost zero chance of the full-length version of the game thriving anywhere (by that, I mean getting up more than one scratch match every 4 months or so, I'm talking about proper leagues, with more than 2 clubs who can field 16+ players, and who play more than 3 full games per year).
It is a very, very difficult exercise, despite some of the very best endeavours of locally based enthusiasts, who I agree, deserve plaudits, but it's too big a task for them.
 

RedV3x

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So you're backing up my original point,
No. The exact opposite.Did you read what I said?
"I have no trouble at all at pointing to leagues and clubs that are successfully run by locals, the development is done by locals and that players are locals players. "


without any form of Australian input
That is a ridiculous and meaningless criteria as is your ridiculous attempt at trolling.

These countries below, play Australian Football regularly. That is they that play Australian Football, in an affiliated league, with affiliated clubs in an organised competition with a schedule of games over a season for the right to crowned the premier.
The format is countrry, organisation and International competitions.

O1.Abu Dhabi, AFLME
02.Argentina, AFLArgentina
03.Australia, AFL
04.Austria, EU
05.Bahrain, AFLME
06.Brunei, BAFL/AFLAsia
07.Cambodia, AFLAsia
08.Canada, AFLC, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
09.China, AFLAsia IC
10.Colombia, CAFL
11.Croatia, CAAF, ECP, IC, EU
12.Czech Rebublic, CAFL, EU
13.Denmark, DAFL, ECP, IC
14.Dubai, AFLME
15.East Timor, AFLTimorLeste, IC
16.England, AFLEngland, IC, ECP, EU
17.Fiji, AFLFiji, IC
18.Finland, FAFL, IC, ECP, EU
19.France, CNFA, IC, EU
20.Germany, AFLGermany, ECP, EU
21.Hong Kong, AFLAsia
22.Iceland, AFLIceland, ECP, EU
23.India, AFLIndia, IC
24.Indonesia, AFLIndonesia, IC
25.Ireland, AFLIreland, IC, ECP
26.Italy, AFLItaly
27.Japan, JAFL, IC
28.Kuwait, AFLME
29.Laos, AFLAsia
30.Macau, AFLAsia
31.Malaysia, AFLAsia
32.Myanmar, AFLAsia
33.Nauru, NAFA, IC
34.Netherlands, DAFA, EU
35.New Zealand, AFLNZ, IC
36.Norway, NAFL, EU
37.Oman, AFLME
38.Pakistan, PAFL, IC
39.Papua New Guinea, AFLPNG, IC
40.Philippines, PAFL
41.Qatar, AFLME
42.Russia, AFLRussia, EU
43.Samoa, SAFA, IC
44.Scotland, AFLScotland, EU
45.Singapore, AFLAsia
46.Solomon Islands, SIAFL
47.South Africa, AFLSA, IC
48.Sri Lanka, AFSL, AFLSia, IC
49.Sweden, SAFL, IC, ECP
50.Switzerland, AFLSwitzerland, EU
51.Thailand, AFLAsia
52.Tonga, AFLTonga, IC
53.United States America, USAFL, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
54.Vanuatu, AFLVanuatu
55.Vietnam, AFLAsia
56.Wales, WARFL

It is a very, very difficult exercise, despite some of the very best endeavours of locally based enthusiasts, who I agree, deserve plaudits, but it's too big a task for them.
WTF are you talking about. Do know any of the achievements of these people?
 

Gigantor

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No. The exact opposite.Did you read what I said?
"I have no trouble at all at pointing to leagues and clubs that are successfully run by locals, the development is done by locals and that players are locals players. "




That is a ridiculous and meaningless criteria as is your ridiculous attempt at trolling.

These countries below, play Australian Football regularly. That is they that play Australian Football, in an affiliated league, with affiliated clubs in an organised competition with a schedule of games over a season for the right to crowned the premier.
The format is countrry, organisation and International competitions.

O1.Abu Dhabi, AFLME
02.Argentina, AFLArgentina
03.Australia, AFL
04.Austria, EU
05.Bahrain, AFLME
06.Brunei, BAFL/AFLAsia
07.Cambodia, AFLAsia
08.Canada, AFLC, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
09.China, AFLAsia IC
10.Colombia, CAFL
11.Croatia, CAAF, ECP, IC, EU
12.Czech Rebublic, CAFL, EU
13.Denmark, DAFL, ECP, IC
14.Dubai, AFLME
15.East Timor, AFLTimorLeste, IC
16.England, AFLEngland, IC, ECP, EU
17.Fiji, AFLFiji, IC
18.Finland, FAFL, IC, ECP, EU
19.France, CNFA, IC, EU
20.Germany, AFLGermany, ECP, EU
21.Hong Kong, AFLAsia
22.Iceland, AFLIceland, ECP, EU
23.India, AFLIndia, IC
24.Indonesia, AFLIndonesia, IC
25.Ireland, AFLIreland, IC, ECP
26.Italy, AFLItaly
27.Japan, JAFL, IC
28.Kuwait, AFLME
29.Laos, AFLAsia
30.Macau, AFLAsia
31.Malaysia, AFLAsia
32.Myanmar, AFLAsia
33.Nauru, NAFA, IC
34.Netherlands, DAFA, EU
35.New Zealand, AFLNZ, IC
36.Norway, NAFL, EU
37.Oman, AFLME
38.Pakistan, PAFL, IC
39.Papua New Guinea, AFLPNG, IC
40.Philippines, PAFL
41.Qatar, AFLME
42.Russia, AFLRussia, EU
43.Samoa, SAFA, IC
44.Scotland, AFLScotland, EU
45.Singapore, AFLAsia
46.Solomon Islands, SIAFL
47.South Africa, AFLSA, IC
48.Sri Lanka, AFSL, AFLSia, IC
49.Sweden, SAFL, IC, ECP
50.Switzerland, AFLSwitzerland, EU
51.Thailand, AFLAsia
52.Tonga, AFLTonga, IC
53.United States America, USAFL, IC, ECP(AC), 49thP
54.Vanuatu, AFLVanuatu
55.Vietnam, AFLAsia
56.Wales, WARFL



WTF are you talking about. Do know any of the achievements of these people?
Nah, you are still proving my point.
Hardly any of these have a proper league, with more than a couple of clubs, playing more than a handful of full-sized games per year.
You are making the point for me.
 

RedV3x

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Hardly any of these have a proper league, with more than a couple of clubs, playing more than a handful of full-sized games per year.
Spoken like the ridiculously fanciful troll that you are.



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Gigantor

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Spoken like the ridiculously fanciful troll that you are.



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The Canadian league is a shining light for aussie rules overseas, but once again, you are proving the point for me!!
 

RedV3x

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The Canadian league is a shining light for aussie rules overseas, but once again, you are proving the point for me
The Canadian Football league is just one league. There was enough room (according to BF) to post the clubs in the USAFL.
The point for you, is that the 56 odd countries that regularly play Australian Football in affiliated leagues with affiliated clubs with a regular season schedule for a premiership and for numerous international Australian Football competitions have achieved this through the hard work of amateurs.
Yes, most of this fantastic development overseas for Australian Football is due to amateurs and not the AFL.
Yes, I agree with your point, that this fantastic development overseas for Australian Football would be so many times better
if they were supported more by the AFL.

Most people criticise the AFL for not supporting Australian Football overseas more and you can take various stances.
1. The AFL could afford to spend much more of Australian Football overseas.
2. The AFL is primarily concerned with Australian Football in Australia.
3. The AFL cherry-picks certain undertakings that show merit especially if it looks to benefit the AFL directly.
The reality is option #3. The AFL does assist to varying degrees based on the strength of the individual business case.
It is always the business case that the AFL looks at. i.e. It is always a cost/benefit analysis to make a decision.
IMO that is creditable but could show much more optimism.

In comparison, The CFL only looks to the USA. The NFL owners have little interest in American Football outside the USA. The GAA has ensured that Gaelic Football remains small-time around the world. RU is focussed on it's major players rather than spreading grassroots. RL, well, they don't seem to know who's in charge to make those sorts of decisions.
 

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That's four years ago!
When you think back at how strong Sth Africa was 12 years ago, footy in Sth Africa has now fallen off a cliff.
I'm not saying anyone is to blame, planting the seeds of our indigenous game anywhere outside of Australia is a very big ask, and for the most part, you need some sort of Australian connection to keep it going.
Our game is a resource rich game, you're not going to get dozens of volunteers from thin air to get a vibrant competition up and running, and even if you do get one up and running, you need constant re-vitalisation of people to keep it going - it's a very big ask.
12 years ago (giver or take 3 years), we even had a Samoan team coming over for an IC and getting a couple of wins - all of that was on the back of one Australian introducing the game there, as soon as he left, it pretty much died. You can't rely on a one-off catalyst, it needs ongoing investment/input, and you need to maintain some sort of Australian connection to keep it going.
In my opinion as regards the South African situation is the present day politics there.
 

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The Canadian Football league is just one league. There was enough room (according to BF) to post the clubs in the USAFL.
The point for you, is that the 56 odd countries that regularly play Australian Football in affiliated leagues with affiliated clubs with a regular season schedule for a premiership and for numerous international Australian Football competitions have achieved this through the hard work of amateurs.
Yes, most of this fantastic development overseas for Australian Football is due to amateurs and not the AFL.
Yes, I agree with your point, that this fantastic development overseas for Australian Football would be so many times better
if they were supported more by the AFL.

Most people criticise the AFL for not supporting Australian Football overseas more and you can take various stances.
1. The AFL could afford to spend much more of Australian Football overseas.
2. The AFL is primarily concerned with Australian Football in Australia.
3. The AFL cherry-picks certain undertakings that show merit especially if it looks to benefit the AFL directly.
The reality is option #3. The AFL does assist to varying degrees based on the strength of the individual business case.
It is always the business case that the AFL looks at. i.e. It is always a cost/benefit analysis to make a decision.
IMO that is creditable but could show much more optimism.

In comparison, The CFL only looks to the USA. The NFL owners have little interest in American Football outside the USA. The GAA has ensured that Gaelic Football remains small-time around the world. RU is focussed on it's major players rather than spreading grassroots. RL, well, they don't seem to know who's in charge to make those sorts of decisions.
The NFL are very keen to have team in London.
Every time a game regular season game is played there it's sold out in less than 24 hours at Wembley and White Hart Lane
The NFL are very aware that in the modern world you can't be insular when it comes to sport.
It's the same when the NBA play a game there and i think I'm right in saying that there is going to be a regular season baseball game there this year.
 

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What? That amateur comps will be run by amateurs? The AFL has little interest in overseas operations.
Where have I mentioned the AFL??
I haven't.
Don't jump in half-cocked without reading the posts properly.
I've said, and I stand by this, no footy league is possible overseas, I mean a proper footy league, playing the full sized version of the game, with more than a handful of clubs, playing more than a handful of games per year, without Australian input over a long period, and by definition, that necessitates re-vitalisation of Australian input over a long period.
 

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The NFL are very keen to have team in London.
Every time a game regular season game is played there it's sold out in less than 24 hours at Wembley and White Hart Lane
The NFL are keen to have a professional presence in London because they make money.
American Football is actually big in England now, but how much is due directly to investment by the NFL?

The NFL are very aware that in the modern world you can't be insular when it comes to sport.
The NFL has been quite reticent in spending money around the world.
The IFAF is headquartered in France!
 
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