NFL 2019 - Pre-Season / Training Camp - Discussion

[J Shuttlesworth]

Albiet old and unstable seeing both DT and Flash in the Patriots box score makes you go...

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

He was played out of position by the Texans the first few years. He is injury prone, but he could be the difference between a contender winning a ring and getting knocked out Divisional round of the playoffs

I don't question his talent, I question his heart. Doesn't seen to want to get better, does enough to get by and lives off being picked at #1.

Has he actually improved his game since his second last year in college? I don't see it...still the same freakish athlete getting by on his quickness. That's why he has plenty of games where he's unsighted...good OTs work him quickly.

Thats main reason I wouldn't give him a silly multiyear deal. Reckon it's a 50/50 chance he mails it in for the rest of his career once paid.

 

[AmericanCrow]

was the player you traded for likely to get cut? or just a depth player?

because giving up assets for players you can get for free in 2 days is how GM's get fired, unless there are multiple other teams sniffing around the player in question. thats the only way a GM can look good giving up something for a player about to get cut.


Also everyone keep an eye on players who were "Injured" and didnt play today, because they are always candidates that teams will try and sneak onto the PS by limiting film on the player. It doesnt always work, Thats how the Packers lost Taysom Hill a few years ago.

Well Buffalo had a surplus of lineman so it is possible he could have been cut but probably more likely another team would have traded for him.

Generally, I agree with you but we have such a serious need for a right guard since the second round pick last year has been a complete disaster anywhere they have tried to place him so far.

Seems Dorsey isn’t a complete genius

 

[AmericanCrow]

Word of caution. If your team went 4-0 in the preseason, Remember both the 2008 Lions and 2017 Browns went 4-0 and went 0-16 in the regular season.

It was a glorious 0-16 though

 

[J Shuttlesworth]

It was a glorious 0-16 though

Would be a shame to miss any opportunity for a parade.

 

[aussiedude]

Well Buffalo had a surplus of lineman so it is possible he could have been cut but probably more likely another team would have traded for him.

Generally, I agree with you but we have such a serious need for a right guard since the second round pick last year has been a complete disaster anywhere they have tried to place him so far.

Seems Dorsey isn’t a complete genius

had a look. He was a 2018 5th round pick, started 7 games last season.
Teller and a 2010 7th for a 2020 5th and 6th

 

[drd23]

Seems reasonable for one of the best Cs in the league

 

[AmericanCrow]

Would be a shame to miss any opportunity for a parade.

If you can’t have fun with 0-16 and 1-31 then why watch ?

 

[aussiedude]

 

[aussiedude]

 

[aussiedude]

Gano on IR. Wonder if teams like the Packers who have 2 kickers in camp both have barely missed, Will get calls about a trade

 

[aussiedude]

 

[aussiedude]

some vets getting cut today, and other players i didnt even know were still in the league.

also TIL Shane Ray and Michael Floyd were in the Ravens camp. a couple of first round busts might be out of the league

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Would like to bring back marshall for at least 10 days

 

[rumply]

bring it on

NFL preseason expected to be shortened; expanded playoffs more likely than 18-game season

Amid mounting criticism of an uncompelling exhibition-season product with sparsely attended stadiums and star players being withheld from games to avoid injury, there is increasing conviction within the NFL to shorten the preseason.

The change could take effect by the summer of 2021 and probably would need to be accompanied by an expansion of the league’s playoff field or regular season to offset the revenue lost from cutting one to two preseason games per team. It is being discussed as part of ongoing negotiations on a new collective bargaining agreement between representatives of the NFL Players Association and team owners, people familiar with the league’s inner workings said.

The options being discussed include the lengthening the regular season from 16 games to 17 or 18 or the expansion of the playoff field from 12 teams to 14. While some owners have not given up on getting players to agree to an 18-game season, the union’s ongoing resistance is increasingly likely to turn the focus to adding playoff games, according to those with knowledge of the situation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the confidentiality of the negotiations.
It is unclear, however, whether owners might push for a 17-game regular season if the NFLPA remains adamantly opposed to 18 and whether players would be receptive.

As for the preseason, it is becoming more certain that it will be cut to two or three games. One person close to the situation said it is “safe to say that the preseason will be shortened at some point.”

Owners have the right, in their view, to shorten the preseason and expand the playoffs without the union’s consent. But it appears, at least at this point, that consideration of those changes is taking place within the context of bargaining between the owners and the NFLPA.
NFL teams play four preseason games each, with the two participants in the annual Hall of Fame Game playing five. All teams are scheduled to play their final games of this preseason Thursday night.

The league has acknowledged the lack of quality of preseason games for close to a decade. In the negotiations that preceded the 10-year labor agreement struck in 2011, owners proposed shortening the preseason to two games and lengthening the regular season to 18 games but abandoned the idea after the NFLPA rejected the proposal on player-safety grounds.

NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has continued to concede in recent months that preseason games are not up to the league’s standards.

“What we should be doing is always to the highest quality, and I’m not sure preseason games meet that level right now,” Goodell said at a June charity event in Buffalo, according to the Associated Press. “I’m not sure, talking with coaches, that four preseason games is necessary any more to get ready for a season to evaluate players, develop players. There are other ways of doing that, and we’ve had a lot of discussions about that.”
Teams have become increasingly willing to leave standout players, particularly star quarterbacks, on the sideline for all or nearly all of the preseason, minimizing or eliminating injury risks. Many games this preseason have been played in nearly empty stadiums.

Owners would lose revenue by cutting preseason games — teams charge season ticket holders for them, sometimes at a reduced rate — and would be unlikely to agree to a reduction of the preseason without an accompanying revenue-enhancing measure.

That measure, to many owners, should be an 18-game season, which has resurfaced during these CBA negotiations. A person on the players’ side said it’s “not a secret that NFL owners want more games.”

Some owners point out that increased revenue means more income for players, who receive a share of it under the salary cap system. Owners seem willing to increase roster sizes to get players to agree to a longer regular season. A proposal to limit each player to 16 games in an 18-game season does not appear to have widespread support on either side. But some owners also seem prepared to make concessions to players in other areas, such as the league’s marijuana policy and Goodell’s authority in player discipline.

Still, players and NFLPA leaders have expressed strong public opposition to an 18-game season. The retirements of standout players such as New England Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowskiand Indianapolis Colts quarterback Andrew Luck before their 30th birthdays could reinforce the notion that the sport already takes an often-unmanageable toll on players’ bodies.

But an expanded set of playoffs almost certainly would be more palatable to players, given that players would be asked to play only two additional games.

Under the proposal, seven teams in each conference would qualify for the postseason instead of the current six. One team in each conference, rather than the current two, would receive an opening-round playoff bye. That would make for six first-round playoff games (three in each conference) instead of the current four, one of which might be played on a Monday night. The two additional playoff games probably would be enticing to networks in the NFL’s next set of negotiations for TV rights deals.

It’s not known whether expanding the playoffs would preclude the owners from seeking a 17th regular season game. That probably would involve each team playing one game per season at a neutral site, perhaps in another country.

The current CBA runs through the 2020 season. The league and the union have gotten an early start on bargaining for a new deal, trying to avoid a damaging work stoppage such as the owners’ lockout of the players that preceded the 2011 agreement.

 

[Exe Gesis]

It’s not known whether expanding the playoffs would preclude the owners from seeking a 17th regular season game. That probably would involve each team playing one game per season at a neutral site, perhaps in another country.

Told you Roger has noticed the enormous spike of gamepass subscriptions in India

 

[aussiedude]

how bad did Paxton Lynch play to get beat out by Geno Smith for the Seattle back up.

Also nice to know the Packers are not the only team who is a QB1 injury away from a top 5 pick.

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Don’t like it but I’d prefer the playoffs increased from 12 to 14 teams rather than increasing number of regular season games.

The 17 game proposal which require teams to play one game on a neutral site is ridiculous.

Reducing the pre season to two games seems common sense. The owners are such greedy f****** they want some sort of compensation for losing revenue from two weeks of pre season. Unbelievable!

 

[Exe Gesis]

interesting tussle going on tho.

the NFL owners have the right (without NFLPA involvement) to reduce preseason game and increase playoff games. Just not regular season games without the NFLPAs blessing. The players MIGHT budge on a 17 week reg season and 7 team playoff format by demanding marijuana is taken off the banned list AND removing Goodell from authority on discipline-matters.

the NFLPA's not budging because player safety. that makes no sense, when they constantly complain about how the game is too soft, and it's the NFL obsessed with player safety.

the NFL wants 18 reg season games, more revenue....which the players receive a cut from with all the revenue sharing, so the players can't complain about that.

all i can hope and dream for is the NFLPA agrees to an 18 game regular season on the proviso Roger Goodell is completely removed as commissioner, and that the NFLPA has a vote in the elections of new commissioners moving forward.

 

[rumply]

interesting tussle going on tho.

the NFL owners have the right (without NFLPA involvement) to reduce preseason game and increase playoff games. Just not regular season games without the NFLPAs blessing. The players MIGHT budge on a 17 week reg season and 7 team playoff format by demanding marijuana is taken off the banned list AND removing Goodell from authority on discipline-matters.

the NFLPA's not budging because player safety. that makes no sense, when they constantly complain about how the game is too soft, and it's the NFL obsessed with player safety.

the NFL wants 18 reg season games, more revenue....which the players receive a cut from with all the revenue sharing, so the players can't complain about that.

all i can hope and dream for is the NFLPA agrees to an 18 game regular season on the proviso Roger Goodell is completely removed as commissioner, and that the NFLPA has a vote in the elections of new commissioners moving forward.

Rog would need some Sepp Blatter type s**t to go down before he's shown the front door, no?

 

[Exe Gesis]

Rog would need some Sepp Blatter type s**t to go down before he's shown the front door, no?

Controversy and poor performance from Roger only seems to solidify his hold. But you never know what the owners could do....they're the ones who hire the Commish. If the NFLPA and Owners can edge toward an 18 game deal, on proviso of Roger's removal, the owners would be silly not to take it, they can always find another "roger".

 

[Exe Gesis]

the bigger picture, the end-game....18 game reg season
roger himself is one person with a limited lifespan, and plenty of controversy surrounding him....is a short-term thing, a smaller picture

 

[rumply]

Busy day yesterday, got home late, crack couple coldies, get dinner ready, sit down to watch Eagles Jets thinking maybe it'll be entertaining enough. Yeah nah, if it wasnt for Daeshon Hall (gonna be a player) I would have switched that s**t off end of the first. 4 preseason games is too many & the guys running around yesterday have had plenty of opp's over the first couple games to show their stuff.

 

[rumply]

For those watching Hard Knocks - was that sports science guy working with AB (ep3 I think it was) an Aussie? Sounded a bit like one.

 

[Exe Gesis]

yes