News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[feenix67]

The idea of splitting 4 is dumb.

Quality >>>>>>> quantity

Except that you can throw a blanket over 3 to 30, according to decent draft analysis this year. This year's draft is much more about drafting for need rather than best available. So the thinking is, maximise your picks in the top 30. I don't mind it.

 

[Elite Crow]

I get it but why are some believing this is the biggest issue at the club.
I don't believe you get it.
The 4 day camp was s**t. but the problem exist befor the camp. yes the problem existed before the camp. remove the camp and there would there still would have been a problem.
So stoip using the Camp as the biggest reason.
Put the blame where it should lie.

Nah you’ve just shown again you don’t get it, oh and I’ve never used the camp as the biggest reason.

 

[Elite Crow]

Except that you can throw a blanket over 3 to 30, according to decent draft analysis this year. This year's draft is much more about drafting for need rather than best available. So the thinking is, maximise your picks in the top 30. I don't mind it.

But you still get your first choice the earlier the pick

 

[ad victoriam]

You do realise he was answering a question where the camp was one of a number of things right? Not the only thing.

Also the camp still affecting the players is not them being weak...the fact is the club never really acknowledged they made a mistake or made it up to the players, and currently outside of pyke, the guys who led it like burton are still at the club...so the situation and resentment still lingers.

Classic victim blaming, calling them weak.

Club and company cultures start from the top.

Victim blaming WOW, Let not turned them into Victims lets not go down that path.

Club and Company Culture start at all levels. to blame the top is a excuse and does not fix or find the problem,

 

[Morning_Fog]

He made the point differentiating them because they were indigineous
I made the point one in all in

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Dude, you said this..

Who gives a toss .. why does that make them different.

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You have now changed your tune.

And it still doesn’t matter, he has every right to be offended. You walk into the common area at your work and slap a lady on her arse? I bet she will be offended.

workplace harassment based on gender, cultural beliefs, and ethnicity is not acceptable. You can not say he is not allowed to be offended.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

If someone gets through to Trade Radio before I do, I suggest you bring up their commentary around the ‘Camp’ as pretty problematic.

Most Crows fans acknowledge that the camp was a disaster, even if its been widely reported that those negatively effected were in a minority. I think a majority weren’t bothered by it, and Sloane even came out and said it was hugely beneficial to him personally. I feel as if we ostracised and divided the playing group with our indigenous boys. They were vocal in their discontent, and other players might have even resented them for this discontent. I think this is where a lot of division within the club started, and a bit of love lost between players, in turn affecting their performance.

My issue is that the media have driven their own agenda with this, and it’s hard to see the coverage of the camp itself not being a massive issue for the players.

Dal Santo and McClure (along with Barrett) driving this with their own agenda and pure clickbait. Dal Santo even hypothesising that despite all the players leaving there will be ‘still be players at the club who will be affected until the end of their careers’

Both went on to point out that both the leading people at CM weren’t registered psychologists.

Well neither are Dal Santo and McClure. Something should be highlighted to these two, and the wider media in general, that hypothesising players current mental health, or what it ‘must be’ going forward, is extremely dangerous.

If the camp of preseason 2018 started the fire, then the media coverage and sheer hyperbole since has been the fuel.

At some stage the players, former players, coaches, the club, fans, and most of all the media, need to move on from the camp.

Pyke alluded to this in his final press conference, and stated that in the current media environment, pure fiction is treated as gospel, and it’s affecting the players enjoyment of the game.


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[Crowmurder]

Although I am of the opinion that all involved do need to get over it and move on it is common knowledge that the main camp issues stem from the cultural insensitivity towards our indigenous players. On day one having a ‘Welcome to Country’ including an indigenous talking stick presented by someone who’s background was unknown was a massive oversight. From there it simply snowballed. To deny this is to simply have your head up your arse. Instead of tackling this head on the club chose to lie and deny it and that is why this s&@t is still being discussed..

 

[ad victoriam]

Nah you’ve just shown again you don’t get it, oh and I’ve never used the camp as the biggest reason.

Maybe you have not but a few others have and still are.
or do you speak for tham aswell.

 

[Elite Crow]

Maybe you have not but a few others have and still are.
or do you speak for tham aswell.

No they haven’t either, find a quote where someone has, you made the claim

 

[feenix67]

He made the point differentiating them because they were indigineous
I made the point one in all in

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Surely you recognise the cultural differences, not to mention the fact that an Aboriginal totem was used in what was seen as a disrespectful manner. One size does not fit all in a group of 50 people mate.

 

[Golumless]

It's been aired over and over
Bringing it up is just playing into the Vic media
It doesn't help the club
They're on good money
If you're going f off already

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It does though. Not in the short term but if it helps get rid of the perpetrators of destroying this sides premiership aspirations, then being slammed is worthwhile.

If they are not held accountable, you can be guaranteed when push comes to shove, they'll destroy our rebuilded side. We've already seen the same dickheads do it twice, once with the Tippett sanctions, and now this.

 

[kirky]

What a load of Crap. re the Camp. Yes, the Camp divided the team, And yes the people reasonable need to be removed for more reasons than the Camp. A lot more reasons.
But for all this carry on about it affecting the team 2 years later,
Maybe the people who organised the camp were right, Our Players are mentally weak,
Blame the coaches yes, blame Burton, yes, To me, the there biggest issue was getting the wrong people to run the camp a lack of professionalism in today times. But its certainly sounds like some of our players are mentally weak. and when you get several in the same group issue's arise

CEY said the camp did affect him and some of the players maybe just maybe being delisted in 2017, and Rookie listed with a year out of football, and not getting a senior spot may have affected him as well, But if he blaming the Camp 2 year latter he needs to toughen up.
Wow 2 years and it's still an issue and the younger players were not involved.

One good thing is after this trade period most of the players and staff that were affected/involved will not be on the list. maybe we can then toughen up and get on with playing football.
Maybe the club would have been better removing a few of these players last year.

It does play to the theme and yes I am a baby boomer, that millennials do not have the same level of resilience as Gen X and Boomers and have been known to give up when it gets too tough.

Sack those responsible for the camp and the subsequent messaging (or lack of transparency) so we can move on as a group.

 

[ad victoriam]

No they haven’t either, find a quote where someone has, you made the claim

So you do speak for them.
You are saying that poeple on BF have not commented that the camp was the big issue, the start.

 

[feenix67]

But you still get your first choice the earlier the pick

True, but it depends on the Intel you have on what other clubs might be looking for. The order after 2 is basically a lottery this year, there's no definite "top 10 talents". So if you think you can get your mark with a later pick, why not double up? Sure it's a risk, but recruiters and list managers generally have a fair idea on who wants what.

 

[Elite Crow]

So you do speak for them.
You are saying that poeple on BF have not commented that the camp was the big issue, the start.

No I’m speaking to you, you made a claim, I’m asking you to back that up or is that not important?

 

[feenix67]

Club and Company Culture start at all levels. to blame the top is a excuse and does not fix or find the problem,

I'm sorry mate, but culture is driven from the top.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Victim blaming WOW, Let not turned them into Victims lets not go down that path.

Club and Company Culture start at all levels. to blame the top is a excuse and does not fix or find the problem,

what a load of tripe. The culture starts from the top. Everyone follows the behaviors of the boss. The top of the tree.

Then it filters down to the rest.

The unacceptable behaviors from the camp were swept under the carpet because thats what the leaders at the Adelaide Crows try and do. They try and hide and sweep everything under the carpet as if it’s nothing to see. Numerous examples of this behaviors can be given.

It was allowed to fester and players feelings were ignored until the proverbial hit the fan. Now it’s too late.

culture starts and stops at the top.

 

[CutAboveTheRest]

FWIW Betts and cam should STFU

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Not if it helps get rid of that POS Burton

 

[ad victoriam]

No I’m speaking to you, you made a claim, I’m asking you to back that up or is that not important?

no I am not going backl to read all those post about howbad the camp was and how it effect the players,
iot like rewatching 2017 grand final again. no
read them yousleve they are there. for all to see. you only have to go back 1 day to find some.

 

[Elite Crow]

I'm sorry mate, but culture is driven from the top.

I can’t recall which one it was, Chapman, Fagan or Trigg, but one of them said it was their job to set the culture.

 

[Golumless]

I get it but why are some believing this is the biggest issue at the club.
I don't believe you get it.
The 4 day camp was s**t. but the problem exist befor the camp. yes the problem existed before the camp. remove the camp and there would there still would have been a problem.
So stoip using the Camp as the biggest reason.
Put the blame where it should lie.

No doubt there were problems beforehand, you put 40+ people in an area and their is going to be problems. Every club has to continuously deal with that. Not everyone will like everyone, not everyone has an easy to like personality, minor **** ups happen etc.

The camp has without doubt, pushed those minor problems into a full blown fracture, and not only that, destroyed any trust in our coaching group in some players. Once that happens, a side is done.

 

[ad victoriam]

what a load of tripe. The culture starts from the top. Everyone follows the behaviors of the boss. The top of the tree.

Then it filters down to the rest.

The unacceptable behaviors from the camp were swept under the carpet because thats what the leaders at the Adelaide Crows try and do. They try and hide and sweep everything under the carpet as if it’s nothing to see. Numerous examples of this behaviors can be given.

It was allowed to fester and players feelings were ignored until the proverbial hit the fan. Now it’s too late.

culture starts and stops at the top.

Change starts at the Top Culture is a learned behaviour.

 

[Morning_Fog]

Change starts at the Top Culture is a learned behaviour.

no it’s not.

learned behaviors is when I follow an example of a behavior.

 

[ad victoriam]

No doubt there were problems beforehand, you put 40+ people in an area and their is going to be problems. Every club has to continuously deal with that. Not everyone will like everyone, not everyone has an easy to like personality, minor fu** ups happen etc.

The camp has without doubt, pushed those minor problems into a full blown fracture, and not only that, destroyed any trust in our coaching group in some players. Once that happens, a side is done.

Question why did some believe we needed a camp of this nature.
Is the reaction from the camp and excuse poeple can use move, or blame, yes it was done badly,
But the simple fact some believed we needed to run a camp of this type highights there was a problem, whether it was preception or actual belief it was still a problem.

 

[1991firstgamer]

Surely you recognise the cultural differences, not to mention the fact that an Aboriginal totem was used in what was seen as a disrespectful manner. One size does not fit all in a group of 50 people mate.

No I don't
My point is I wasn't making a point about what their background is
Why should it matter
I shouldn't comment cos they're indigineous but I can tell JJ to ?

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