News 2019 Rumour File - discuss rumours here! (Part 2)

[DangerSloane]

And?

And 3 and 9 are different by a lot.
#quickmafs

 

[Elite Crow]

And 3 and 9 are different by a lot.
#quickmafs

We will get draft picks when they leave. This fills up the 9 spots.

We have a number of players in the SANFL that need games:

Butts, Scholl, Hamill, NED, Gallucci, Himmelberg, Pohohkle, McAdam, Stengle, Davis, Wilson

Plus pick 4
Plus Frampton
Plus what else we bring in

From our last AFL game there are 6 AFL players we need replacing. But we have ROB and Doedee to come in.

So out of the list of players I listed above, only 4 need to play.

We have enough depth, this notion we need Mackay for experience is just bullshit. Go through the experience profile of our list and there is still a heap of experience.

All Mackay will do is tie up a list spot with ZERO positive impact on our next premiership. The player we could have grabbed with that late pick may have, but we've removed that chance.

 

[ChilliP]

Cheap insurance for what? What are we doing next year?

As for not going to kill the club, no ones said that but with the spot we are wasting on him we potentially miss out on a good player who could be part of our next premiership. It’s only a small chance but Mackay has no chance.

If we delist him this year, we get nothing for him so we will need to replace him with our 9th or 10th pick, replace him next year when we don't have such a large exodus and we replace him with our 4th or 5th pick. He's one of our most professional players with his training and preparation so he has something to teach the SANFL kids he will be playing alongside so he has more to offer than the last rookie we could take on a 1-year contract.

 

[Elite Crow]

If we delist him this year, we get nothing for him so we will need to replace him with our 9th or 10th pick, replace him next year when we don't have such a large exodus and we replace him with our 4th or 5th pick. He's one of our most professional players with his training and preparation so he has something to teach the SANFL kids he will be playing alongside so he has more to offer than the last rookie we could take on a 1-year contract.

I don't care if we replace him with pick 110. That player has more chance of playing in our next premiership and thats a fact.

 

[ChilliP]

I don't care if we replace him with pick 110. That player has more chance of playing in our next premiership and thats a fact.

Next year's pick 40 has a better chance of being a better player than this year's pick 110. If you're forced to take 110 on a 2-year contract you then can't take the kid at pick 40 next year. On top of that, there are unmeasurable benefits to having guys with hundreds of AFL game experience playing in the SANFL side instead of top-up players.

 

[TazHawk15]

Is Sam Manure a Hawks supporter? Patton for pick 80?
Seriously!

No he is a payed up Hawk hater.

However GWS need to get the 800k contract Patton is on off their books plus the fact he has had 3 knee recos, means he will come cheaply.

I agree with you about pick 80 though, I think our 3rd rounder either this year or next gets the deal done.

 

[Elite Crow]

Next year's pick 40 has a better chance of being a better player than this year's pick 110. If you're forced to take 110 on a 2-year contract you then can't take the kid at pick 40 next year. On top of that, there are unmeasurable benefits to having guys with hundreds of AFL game experience playing in the SANFL side instead of top-up players.

You seriously think delisting Mackay next year is crucial to us using pick 40? We need to make 3 changes next year and we can easily achieve that as we will make more calls on some players who havent developed, some will leave and worse case scenario? If pick 110 doesn't show anything you delist him and whats it cost us? A year of minimum wage and given the salary cap we are freeing up who gives a shit.

I replace your unmeasurable (ie not backed up by anything) with a measurable, Mackay will have ZERO impact on our next premiership.

 

[pjcrows]

You know what s**ts me about AFL.com.au?

they hardly have articles anymore.

it's all videos of people i don't care about telling me things i don't think are true.

I don't want to have to put headphones on to hear rubbish, write it down so I can quickly skimread it between work assignments, not so i have to stop and listen and watch a stupid 5 minute video of idiots.

It's cheaper to pay a couple of talking heads to make videos than it is to employ real journalists. Way cheaper.

 

[DangerSloane]

We will get draft picks when they leave. This fills up the 9 spots.

We have a number of players in the SANFL that need games:

Butts, Scholl, Hamill, NED, Gallucci, Himmelberg, Pohohkle, McAdam, Stengle, Davis, Wilson

Plus pick 4
Plus Frampton
Plus what else we bring in

From our last AFL game there are 6 AFL players we need replacing. But we have ROB and Doedee to come in.

So out of the list of players I listed above, only 4 need to play.

We have enough depth, this notion we need Mackay for experience is just bulls**t. Go through the experience profile of our list and there is still a heap of experience.

All Mackay will do is tie up a list spot with ZERO positive impact on our next premiership. The player we could have grabbed with that late pick may have, but we've removed that chance.

Those SANFL guys are already on the list!

We will get draft picks but which ones?
Jenkins and Betts will net us nothing before pick 50
Greenwood might get us something 2nd round.
CEY gone for free
Douglas/Otten retired
Hunter delisted

So lets just assume for the sake of the argument that we get 50 and 51 for Betts and Jenkins and 21 for Greenwood.

We then go with 4, 21, 23, 28, 50, 51, 101.

So 8 out the door minimum. 6 picks before 100.

By your theory none of our older players will be there for the next flag so lets get rid of them all. Sloane, Tex, Talia... trade them all coz theres no way theyre contributing to our next flag.

 

[Thetrader15]

No he is a payed up Hawk hater.

However GWS need to get the 800k contract Patton is on off their books plus the fact he has had 3 knee recos, means he will come cheaply.

I agree with you about pick 80 though, I think our 3rd rounder either this year or next gets the deal done.

I'd have thought a couple of 3rds with a 4th coming back

 

[ChilliP]

You seriously think delisting Mackay next year is crucial to us using pick 40? We need to make 3 changes next year and we can easily achieve that as we will make more calls on some players who havent developed, some will leave and worse case scenario? If pick 110 doesn't show anything you delist him and whats it cost us? A year of minimum wage and given the salary cap we are freeing up who gives a s**t.

I replace your unmeasurable (ie not backed up by anything) with a measurable, Mackay will have ZERO impact on our next premiership.

The players we delist next year won't change regardless of if DMac is added to the list, but there will be much less than we need to make this year (3-4 rather than 9-10). Keeping DMac for 1 year then using pick 40 and having an extra $100k in the cap vs paying out a rookie you weren't keen on in the first place just so you can still use pick 40? Keep Dmac for one more year every day of the week. $80-100k can be the difference between signing a player and them choosing another side. It's not something you just throw away, no matter how personal your opinions of DMac are.
The standards he sets off the field is what got him the Brian Sando award a couple of years ago, if he can teach those standards to the kids in the SANFL then that will help us win our next premiership.

 

[Thetrader15]

It's cheaper to pay a couple of talking heads to make videos than it is to employ real journalists. Way cheaper.

apparently it's also what generates clicks

 

[Elite Crow]

Those SANFL guys are already on the list!

We will get draft picks but which ones?
Jenkins and Betts will net us nothing before pick 50
Greenwood might get us something 2nd round.
CEY gone for free
Douglas/Otten retired
Hunter delisted

So lets just assume for the sake of the argument that we get 50 and 51 for Betts and Jenkins and 21 for Greenwood.

We then go with 4, 21, 23, 28, 50, 51, 101.

So 8 out the door minimum. 6 picks before 100.

By your theory none of our older players will be there for the next flag so lets get rid of them all. Sloane, Tex, Talia... trade them all coz theres no way theyre contributing to our next flag.

I know they are on our list already, I referenced them to highlight our depth and players that need game time, it supports my rationale we don't need Mackay, surprised you didnt get that.

We have 4, 23, 28.

Keath - 1 pick
Greenwood - 1 pick
CEY - 1 pick, we will get compo for him
Betts - 1 pick
Jenkins - 1 pick

So we have 8 picks plus we have the capacity to pick swap for future years if we are short of picks. Where those picks are is irrelevant, they would all have more chance of contributing towards our next premiership than Mackay and thats a fact.

As for your last line, thats not even comparable. They are all under contract, all quality players, they are not the ones receiving a 1 year contract extension at 32.

 

[Elite Crow]

The players we delist next year won't change regardless of if DMac is added to the list, but there will be much less than we need to make this year (3-4 rather than 9-10). Keeping DMac for 1 year then using pick 40 and having an extra $100k in the cap vs paying out a rookie you weren't keen on in the first place just so you can still use pick 40? Keep Dmac for one more year every day of the week. $80-100k can be the difference between signing a player and them choosing another side. It's not something you just throw away, no matter how personal your opinions of DMac are.
The standards he sets off the field is what got him the Brian Sando award a couple of years ago, if he can teach those standards to the kids in the SANFL then that will help us win our next premiership.

How much do you think Mackay will be on? You dont seem to have an issue with wasting that cap space.

The players we will delist next year will allow us to use pick 40 which was your concern.

You know we have a heap of experience left and coaches to teach standards right? That excuse has to be the biggest load of wank.

 

[DangerSloane]

I know they are on our list already, I referenced them to highlight our depth and players that need game time, it supports my rationale we don't need Mackay, surprised you didnt get that.

We have 4, 23, 28.

Keath - 1 pick
Greenwood - 1 pick
CEY - 1 pick, we will get compo for him
Betts - 1 pick
Jenkins - 1 pick

So we have 8 picks plus we have the capacity to pick swap for future years if we are short of picks. Where those picks are is irrelevant, they would all have more chance of contributing towards our next premiership than Mackay and thats a fact.

As for your last line, thats not even comparable. They are all under contract, all quality players, they are not the ones receiving a 1 year contract extension at 32.

That has no relevance to your point.
Will they be there for our next flag? No...

So according to you, trade anyone that doesnt fit that criteria.

Your argument is pick 100+ will provide more than Mackay next year.
Besides the odds of that being virtually nil, we have another 8 draft picks who can go ahead of him.

 

[Elite Crow]

That has no relevance to your point.
Will they be there for our next flag? No...

So according to you, trade anyone that doesnt fit that criteria.

Your argument is pick 100+ will provide more than Mackay next year.
Besides the odds of that being virtually nil, we have another 8 draft picks who can go ahead of him.

Look if you want to post shit, go ahead.

And it’s good to see once again you’re prioritising 2020 over working towards our next premiership. Can’t wait to finish 14th over 15th, Mackay sure paid off.

 

[ChilliP]

How much do you think Mackay will be on? You dont seem to have an issue with wasting that cap space.

The players we will delist next year will allow us to use pick 40 which was your concern.

You know we have a heap of experience left and coaches to teach standards right? That excuse has to be the biggest load of wank.

We know where that money could be used this year, so we are able to make decisions on how to use it now, we don't know where it could be used next year, so making the decision now would be reckless. pick 40 is an example number not a real number, it's used to illustrate that the pick we will need to use to replace an extra retiring player will be a much earlier pick than it would be this year due to the number of players we are already losing for no compensation this year and the ones we are likely to lose next year.

How many other guys with 100+ AFL games will we likely have, who are on minimum wage playing in the SANFL next year? Jacobs, Douglas, Betts, Jenkins & Otten are all gone.

 

[DangerSloane]

Look if you want to post s**t, go ahead.

And it’s good to see once again you’re prioritising 2020 over working towards our next premiership. Can’t wait to finish 14th over 15th, Mackay sure paid off.

Pick 100+ isnt prioritising anything.
The odds of them being better than Mackay at any point in their career is about 0.1%.

You're losing the plot over something so minor.

 

[Elite Crow]

Pick 100+ isnt prioritising anything.
The odds of them being better than Mackay at any point in their career is about 0.1%.

You're losing the plot over something so minor.

So what you are telling me is there is a chance and there is no chance with Mackay, taken you awhile to get the point.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

How much do you think Mackay will be on? You dont seem to have an issue with wasting that cap space.

The players we will delist next year will allow us to use pick 40 which was your concern.

You know we have a heap of experience left and coaches to teach standards right? That excuse has to be the biggest load of wank.

This Mackay shit crusade you’ve been on for 6 years is really tiresome

We’re here to discuss rumours .... and all you want to do is bang your drum

 

[DangerSloane]

The $300k or whatever Mackay is on is nothing in the scheme of things.

Look at what is going off the books this year (approximates):

Douglas: $350k
Jenkins: $700k
Betts: $500k
Greenwood: $200k ($400k if we retained)
Keath: $200k ($500k if we retained)
Otten: $200k

Thats over $2m ($2.5m if you assume we had money aside for those players).

Assuming we replace with all rookies at minimum wage ($100k approx) + Frampton at $200k
We're left with $1.2m per year left.

 

[Mr MysteryGuest]

I think there’s a lot of lunacy surrounding the age of players personally. 26-29 is a player’s prime. Keath, CEY, Greenwood were all in the first year or two of their prime. By saying they won’t be a part of our next flag tilt, you’re saying that we won’t be contending for the next 4-5 years.

I would suggest that a big part of the reason we won’t be contending is because these players have left. Greenwood is rated as a top 40 player in the league by the official player ratings (the ratings are flawed, but he still does some important stuff when out there and played in the correct position), CEY established himself as a top 5 mid at the club in 2019 and it was repeatedly proven that when he was out of the side we got beaten up in the middle, and Keath will easily finish in the top 3 in votes per game at the B&F. In return for all 3 of these guys, we’ll get the square root of fu** all.

If we do it right, we could be back to the top 4 in 3/4 years. I expect them all to still be playing but our midfields profile is out of balance and we can’t keep all our them. It’s better cash them in now than to waste them in a mid-tier team.
The team/list felt a bit stale this year, and needs to be refreshed.

 

[1990crow]

Jesus leave the Mackay tantrums to his own thread, we get it.
He’s signed, move on like the rest of us have.

 

[Elite Crow]

This Mackay s**t crusade you’ve been on for 6 years is really tiresome

We’re here to discuss rumours .... and all you want to do is bang your drum

Got a rumour?

I can’t even recall how this Mackay discussion started, but yes I’m on crusade, for my club to make smart decisions.

 

[Elite Crow]

Jesus leave the Mackay tantrums to his own thread, we get it.
He’s signed, move on like the rest of us have.

Well clearly not all have as they continue to argue the point. The topic would die pretty quickly otherwise wouldn’t it?