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Thought I'd start the stats thread for this year as some stats were in the Melbourne game review thread that shouldn't be just left in there.

Start off with the stats info Janus got from Fox Footy.

ATTACK

Time in forward half - Port 52%, Melbourne 48%

Disposals - Port 426, Melbourne 333

Disposal Efficiency - Port 76%, Melbourne 72%

Kick Efficiency - Port 71%, Melbourne 69%

Contested Possessions - Port 151, Melbourne 150 (This is what happens when everyone goes when it's their turn and plays as a team)

Ground Ball Gets - Port 99, Melbourne 99

Hard Ball Gets - Port 38, Melbourne 40

Contested Marks - Port 12, Melbourne 8

Uncontested Possessions - Port 276, Melbourne 183 (This is what happens when you run and spread effectively)

Kicks - Port 231, Melbourne 210

Short Kicks - Port 103, Melbourne 77

Long Kicks - Port 60, Melbourne 67

Handballs - Port 195, Melbourne 123

Free Kicks - Port 20, Melbourne 28

Inside 50s - Port 59, Melbourne 45

Kicks Backward - Port 11, Melbourne 7

Clangers - Port 61, Melbourne 65

Marks - Port 102, Melbourne 76

Uncontested Marks - Port 90, Melbourne 68 (This is what happens when you keep players on the outside)

Marks Inside 50 - Port 15, Melbourne 14

Marks on Lead - Port 6, Melbourne 1

Goals Per Inside 50 % - Port 20%, Melbourne 20%


STOPPAGE

Hitouts - Port 32, Melbourne 29

Hitouts to Advantage - Port 12, Melbourne 12

Clearances - Port 30, Melbourne 33

Centre Clearances - Port 9, Melbourne 15 (Told you it wouldn't make a difference)

Scores From Stoppage - Port 6.3 (39), Melbourne 2.1 (13)


DEFENCE

Intercept Possessions - Port 84, Melbourne 75

Intercept Marks - Port 14, Melbourne 7 (Much better than excessive spoiling)

Turnovers - Port 75, Melbourne 83

Spoils - Port 30, Melbourne 23

Shepherds - Port 7, Melbourne 4

Smothers - Port 9, Melbourne 9

Tackles - Port 71, Melbourne 53 (Means we were dominant in close)

Tackles Inside 50 - Port 8, Melbourne 12

Pressure Factor - Port 1.87, Melbourne 1.76 (+0.11 differential. To put this in perspective, Collingwood were 1st to June last year with a differential of +0.078)

Scores From Turnover - Port 6.11 (47), Melbourne 7.6 (48) (Should have been a lot more...how many times did we **** up on the break with an errant handball? Too many times to count) [ I jotted down from stats on screen mid 4th quarter when we were 12.10 that we kicked 6.3 from stoppages and 0.1 from kick ins and 6.6 from turnovers so last 5 scoring shots came from turnovers]
 

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RussellEbertHandball

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Doctor Feel's graphics.

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And this article smithy7 linked


https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-03-26/the-stats-files-how-handballhappy-port-dismantled-the-demons
The stats files: The other trick Port used to dismantle Dees
HAS PORT Adelaide unearthed the blueprint to banish the Demons?
Port ranked 15th, 14th and 13th over the past three seasons for average handballs and never racked up more than 161.1 per game in that period.

It was more of the same in the JLT Community Series, yet the Power super-charged their handball count to 195 at the MCG on Saturday and gained 406 metres in the process.
Both those figures ranked second for the round.

Hinkley's men had 72 more handballs and 93 extra uncontested possessions than the Dees, and played on from marks an AFL-most 54 per cent of the time, excluding in the forward 50. Port Adelaide last had that many handballs in round 21, 2017 (199), while you have to go back further to find a Power side that matched the uncontested possession buffer (round 19, 2016) and mark, play on percentage (round 19, 2015).
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Janus from the 6-6-6 impact thread.

Meters gained measures how far a team moves the ball forward in a match.

Meters gained differential:
1. Fremantle +1197m
2. GWS +916m
3. Brisbane +847m
4. Richmond +661m
5. Western Bulldogs +466m
6. Hawthorn +376m
7. Port Adelaide +105m
8. Geelong +19m
9. St Kilda +4m


No surprises there, and probably reflective of the territory domination of each team against their opponent. Those who win the meters gained differential, win the contest.

Meters gained total:
1. Richmond 6864m
2. Fremantle 6842m
3. Western Bulldogs 6641m
4. Hawthorn 6410m
5. Brisbane 6238m

6. Carlton 6203m
7. St Kilda 6183m
8. GWS 6180m

9. Gold Coast 6179m
10. Adelaide 6034m
11. Sydney 5975m
12. Port Adelaide 5959m
13. Melbourne 5854m
14. Geelong 5694m
15. Collingwood 5675m
16. North Melbourne 5645m
17. West Coast 5391m
18. Essendon 5264m

The thing is...only three teams had an average of over 6000m last year - Richmond (6088m), Melbourne (6072m) and GWS (6024m)
 

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Thanks for the stats REH, very interesting and with our style of play this year they are going to be much different I imagine.
 

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Thanks for the stats REH, very interesting and with our style of play this year they are going to be much different I imagine.
Well we had about +50 uncontested possessions and +40 handballs compared to our average last year, so there's a big difference. We also had big disposal numbers in JLT 2 but that was made up of more kicks instead of handballs - probably because Melbourne had alot of players in tight for us to navigate through whereas North...well who knows what they were doing...not tackling thats for sure.

We also scored about 10 more points from each of stoppages and intercepts against Melbourne, which is an excellent step forward as +20pts per game will get us a lot more winning scores if we can keep it up.
 

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Here's a league wide comparison of Intercepts and Pressure Acts:

MCG

Richmond 307 pressure acts, 74 intercepts

defeated

Carlton 273 pressure acts, 72 intercepts


Geelong 291 pressure acts, 75 intercepts

defeated

Collingwood 287 pressure acts, 81 intercepts


Port Adelaide 267 pressure acts, 84 intercepts

defeated

Melbourne 333 pressure acts, 75 intercepts


Curiously, Port had the least amount of pressure acts of any team that played on the MCG over the weekend, and one of the lowest pressure act differentials in the league (-66), but the highest amount of intercept marks in the games played there and the best rated win against a team that was heavily favoured. Port is equal third with Hawthorn for intercept mark differential with +9, with only GWS (+10) and Fremantle (+12) - who played weaker opponents - faring better...and fourth for total intercept marks.

What does that tell us? That pressure is better when it is applied in a focused manner.

In the other matches, Richmond put enough pressure on Carlton to get the job done (but in doing so they exposed themselves on the break which is why Carlton looked 'good') and Geelong really did have a jammy win against Collingwood.

Adelaide Oval

Hawthorn 377 pressure acts, 96 intercepts

defeated

Adelaide 317 pressure acts, 87 intercepts


The typical MO for beating Adelaide was applied by Hawthorn and it was again successful. Lots of pressure around the ball = the highest number of intercept marks in the league for R1. Adelaide Oval is a smaller ground than the MCG, so the opportunities to apply pressure are higher and more important. I really can't wait to play these campaigners playing our style...it will be a massacre.

Gabba

Brisbane 278 pressure acts, 73 intercepts

defeated

West Coast 285 pressure acts, 71 intercepts


This game shows how important taking intercept marks against West Coast is. If you can get the ball off of them with an intercept turnover before they have a chance to lock the ball in, they will go to water as you hit them on the counter. They also have trouble dealing with a smaller forward line due to playing guys like McGovern, Barrass etc. Everyone who plays them will play a really quick forward, like we did with Johnson. That's their Achilles heel.

Not sure Brisbane are as good as people think they are. They played an opponent that they could exploit with their strength. Jury is out.


Marvel Stadium

Western Bulldogs 265 pressure acts, 74 intercepts

defeated

Sydney 311 pressure acts, 71 intercepts


St Kilda 230 pressure acts, 80 intercepts

defeated

Gold Coast 241 pressure acts, 79 intercepts


It strikes me that Sydney came into their game thinking they would win easily and got shown up in the first quarter - they never quite got it together in spite of being the better team. All of the Dogs, St Kilda and Gold Coast will be 16th, 17th and 18th. They are all horrible.


GIANTS Stadium

GWS 242 pressure acts, 72 intercepts

defeated

Essendon 249 pressure acts, 62 intercepts


This isn't a big surprise, surely? Not sure GWS is as great as people make out either. Essendon didn't even test them - that's how poor they were.

Optus Stadium

Fremantle 309 pressure acts, 86 intercepts

defeated

North Melbourne 318 pressure acts, 74 intercepts


When you're +12 in intercepts, you're going to have an easy win. North were just horrible, but they are built more for Docklands and speed. Fremantle had a good win, but their opponent was poor.
 

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Here's a league wide comparison of Intercepts and Pressure Acts:

MCG

Richmond 307 pressure acts, 74 intercepts

defeated

Carlton 273 pressure acts, 72 intercepts


Geelong 291 pressure acts, 75 intercepts

defeated

Collingwood 287 pressure acts, 81 intercepts


Port Adelaide 267 pressure acts, 84 intercepts

defeated

Melbourne 333 pressure acts, 75 intercepts


Curiously, Port had the least amount of pressure acts of any team that played on the MCG over the weekend, and one of the lowest pressure act differentials in the league (-66), but the highest amount of intercept marks in the games played there and the best rated win against a team that was heavily favoured. Port is equal third with Hawthorn for intercept mark differential with +9, with only GWS (+10) and Fremantle (+12) - who played weaker opponents - faring better...and fourth for total intercept marks.

What does that tell us? That pressure is better when it is applied in a focused manner.

In the other matches, Richmond put enough pressure on Carlton to get the job done (but in doing so they exposed themselves on the break which is why Carlton looked 'good') and Geelong really did have a jammy win against Collingwood.

Adelaide Oval

Hawthorn 377 pressure acts, 96 intercepts

defeated

Adelaide 317 pressure acts, 87 intercepts


The typical MO for beating Adelaide was applied by Hawthorn and it was again successful. Lots of pressure around the ball = the highest number of intercept marks in the league for R1. Adelaide Oval is a smaller ground than the MCG, so the opportunities to apply pressure are higher and more important. I really can't wait to play these campaigners playing our style...it will be a massacre.

Gabba

Brisbane 278 pressure acts, 73 intercepts

defeated

West Coast 285 pressure acts, 71 intercepts


This game shows how important taking intercept marks against West Coast is. If you can get the ball off of them with an intercept turnover before they have a chance to lock the ball in, they will go to water as you hit them on the counter. They also have trouble dealing with a smaller forward line due to playing guys like McGovern, Barrass etc. Everyone who plays them will play a really quick forward, like we did with Johnson. That's their Achilles heel.

Not sure Brisbane are as good as people think they are. They played an opponent that they could exploit with their strength. Jury is out.


Marvel Stadium

Western Bulldogs 265 pressure acts, 74 intercepts

defeated

Sydney 311 pressure acts, 71 intercepts


St Kilda 230 pressure acts, 80 intercepts

defeated

Gold Coast 241 pressure acts, 79 intercepts


It strikes me that Sydney came into their game thinking they would win easily and got shown up in the first quarter - they never quite got it together in spite of being the better team. All of the Dogs, St Kilda and Gold Coast will be 16th, 17th and 18th. They are all horrible.


GIANTS Stadium

GWS 242 pressure acts, 72 intercepts

defeated

Essendon 249 pressure acts, 62 intercepts


This isn't a big surprise, surely? Not sure GWS is as great as people make out either. Essendon didn't even test them - that's how poor they were.

Optus Stadium

Fremantle 309 pressure acts, 86 intercepts

defeated

North Melbourne 318 pressure acts, 74 intercepts


When you're +12 in intercepts, you're going to have an easy win. North were just horrible, but they are built more for Docklands and speed. Fremantle had a good win, but their opponent was poor.
What does constitute a "pressure act"?
 

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What does constitute a "pressure act"?
Divided into two - direct pressure (getting a hand on an opponent, tipping a ball, a run down and chase to affect a kick etc.) and implied pressure (corralling an opponent and just being in the general vicinity while they dispose of the ball).

Coaches LOVE pressure acts. It's one of the three main stats they look for, along with disposal efficiency (which is related to uncontested possession and run and spread) and contested possession.

The higher your pressure acts are, generally the more intercept marks you are going to take because opponents will kick up and under kicks that have no penetration and are easier to defend. We want pressure on the ball when it hits the ground all the time.
 

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Divided into two - direct pressure (getting a hand on an opponent, tipping a ball, a run down and chase to affect a kick etc.) and implied pressure (corralling an opponent and just being in the general vicinity while they dispose of the ball).

Coaches LOVE pressure acts. It's one of the three main stats they look for, along with disposal efficiency (which is related to uncontested possession and run and spread) and contested possession.

The higher your pressure acts are, generally the more intercept marks you are going to take because opponents will kick up and under kicks that have no penetration and are easier to defend. We want pressure on the ball when it hits the ground all the time.
I have read somewhere that holding the mark would be a pressure act, which sounded ridiculous. Would participating in a contested mark be a "pressure act"? Those kind of things can screw a stat big time.
 

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I have read somewhere that holding the mark would be a pressure act, which sounded ridiculous. Would participating in a contested mark be a "pressure act"? Those kind of things can screw a stat big time.
It’s relative. That’s why it’s important to look at in relation to intercept marks.
 

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It’s relative. That’s why it’s important to look at in relation to intercept marks.
Wouldn't be better to measure them against all turnovers/giveaways (including throw-ins and ball-ups), not only against intercept marks?

Pressure acts are supposed to create forced errors. If the opposition halts its attack, then the pressure was effective - even if they are able to resume it soon.
 

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Wouldn't be better to measure them against all turnovers/giveaways (including throw-ins and ball-ups), not only against intercept marks?

Pressure acts are supposed to create forced errors. If the opposition halts its attack, then the pressure was effective - even if they are able to resume it soon.
For sure - what I'm saying is don't discount a player standing the mark - while it seems of little consequence, if he's not there it would be far worse because it means the ball carrier can get more penetration on his kick.
 

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Better put up The Road Runner's stats - and other's from Saturday evening in here. Thank's Nihilus for the screen shots from the DUUrsma thread.

Total distance ran and at high speed were up compared to game at MCG. Probably because of the wind, had to work a bit hard to cover the ball going further, as well as AO being marginally longer but substantially skinnier says more running is done.



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As of R2:

Disposals 1st
Opponent 15th

Effective Disposals 2nd
Opponent
18th

Disposal Efficiency 11th
Opponent 18th

Goal Assists 5th
Opponent 9th

Inside 50s 2nd
Opponent 16th

Tackles 3rd
Opponent 13th

Clearances 2nd
Opponent 16th

Clangers 6th
Opponent 2nd

Rebound 50s 15th
Opponent 3rd

Hitouts 3rd
Opponent 15th

Contested Possessions 4th
Opponent 8th

Uncontested Possession 2nd
Opponent 18th

Marks 5th
Opponent 18th

Contested Marks 9th
Opponent 8th

Marks I50 1st
Opponent 8th

One Percenters 8th
Opponent 16th

Meters Gained 6th
Opponent 12th

Turnovers 3rd
Opponent 2nd

Intercepts 2nd
Opponent 3rd

Tackles I50 6th
Opponent 7th

What does this tell us? If you focus on the disposal efficiency stat, that is our issue. Everything else is fine. So we need to improve our delivery of the ball, because we are able to create a high number of effective disposals, but our disposal efficiency is way down...that means that certain players are letting the team down.

I'm looking at our half backs.

Good: Dan Houston (78.38% DE), Jack Watts (78.05% DE)

Bad: Riley Bonner (66.67% DE), Ryan Burton (63.83% DE), Darcy Byrne-Jones (63.04% DE)

To put this in perspective: Matthew Broadbent and Hamish Hartlett ran at over 74% DE for the 2017 season. Jarrod Lienert went at 79.8% DE last year.

You really want your half backs to be the best decision makers on the team, because they are the ones that have to set up the play after an opposition attack. Especially if you're playing a system which is based on being a front half defence, meaning that the only way the opposition is going to score is through counter attack and if they do manage to get the ball inside 50 it's going to be hard to get it out of there.

I'd like a balance of three good decision makers and two guys who are developing. I don't think we've got room in our defence for both Bonner and Burton, and I'd actually prefer Burton because he's a better defender and is a better intercept mark. Byrne-Jones stays in, not because he's great at defence (he's pretty bad), but because unlike Bonner he can push into midfield and has a tenacity for the ball.

So to improve, I'd be bringing in Hartlett and Broadbent, and then dropping Broadbent for Lienert when he's ready. And whenever Watts returns...that's when I'd be shifting Hartlett into Byrne-Jones' role and putting Jack back in defence.

Now that's a defence that would dominate.
 

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As of R2:

Disposals 1st
Opponent 15th

Effective Disposals 2nd
Opponent
18th

Disposal Efficiency 11th
Opponent 18th

Goal Assists 5th
Opponent 9th

Inside 50s 2nd
Opponent 16th

Tackles 3rd
Opponent 13th

Clearances 2nd
Opponent 16th

Clangers 6th
Opponent 2nd

Rebound 50s 15th
Opponent 3rd

Hitouts 3rd
Opponent 15th

Contested Possessions 4th
Opponent 8th

Uncontested Possession 2nd
Opponent 18th

Marks 5th
Opponent 18th

Contested Marks 9th
Opponent 8th

Marks I50 1st
Opponent 8th

One Percenters 8th
Opponent 16th

Meters Gained 6th
Opponent 12th

Turnovers 3rd
Opponent 2nd

Intercepts 2nd
Opponent 3rd

Tackles I50 6th
Opponent 7th

What does this tell us? If you focus on the disposal efficiency stat, that is our issue. Everything else is fine. So we need to improve our delivery of the ball, because we are able to create a high number of effective disposals, but our disposal efficiency is way down...that means that certain players are letting the team down.

I'm looking at our half backs.

Good: Dan Houston (78.38% DE), Jack Watts (78.05% DE)

Bad: Riley Bonner (66.67% DE), Ryan Burton (63.83% DE), Darcy Byrne-Jones (63.04% DE)

To put this in perspective: Matthew Broadbent and Hamish Hartlett ran at over 74% DE for the 2017 season. Jarrod Lienert went at 79.8% DE last year.

You really want your half backs to be the best decision makers on the team, because they are the ones that have to set up the play after an opposition attack. Especially if you're playing a system which is based on being a front half defence, meaning that the only way the opposition is going to score is through counter attack and if they do manage to get the ball inside 50 it's going to be hard to get it out of there.

I'd like a balance of three good decision makers and two guys who are developing. I don't think we've got room in our defence for both Bonner and Burton, and I'd actually prefer Burton because he's a better defender and is a better intercept mark. Byrne-Jones stays in, not because he's great at defence (he's pretty bad), but because unlike Bonner he can push into midfield and has a tenacity for the ball.

So to improve, I'd be bringing in Hartlett and Broadbent, and then dropping Broadbent for Lienert when he's ready. And whenever Watts returns...that's when I'd be shifting Hartlett into Byrne-Jones' role and putting Jack back in defence.

Now that's a defence that would dominate.
DE, Turnovers, and R50 aren't great.
 

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As of R2:

Rebound 50s 15th
Opponent 3rd
This doesn't surprise me. It really stood out on the weekend that we failed to use the new kick in rules and went short to the pockets still. Carlton were regularly clearing their defensive 50 with ease, by going longer. Luckily they usually broke down after that, but sides with stronger forward lines are going to really punish us with that. Even Carlton our lack of rebound out of defense cost us goals as they ended up with multiple bites of the cherry and eventually succeeded.

Whether it's coaching or personnel I don't know, but it's something needing fixing quickly, given our defense isn't the strongest anyway. Last thing we need is it under the pump more than necessary.
 

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This doesn't surprise me. It really stood out on the weekend that we failed to use the new kick in rules and went short to the pockets still. Carlton were regularly clearing their defensive 50 with ease, by going longer. Luckily they usually broke down after that, but sides with stronger forward lines are going to really punish us with that. Even Carlton our lack of rebound out of defense cost us goals as they ended up with multiple bites of the cherry and eventually succeeded.

Whether it's coaching or personnel I don't know, but it's something needing fixing quickly, given our defense isn't the strongest anyway. Last thing we need is it under the pump more than necessary.
But you have to read that with

Inside 50s 2nd
Opponent 16th

Ie we get the ball inside 50's a lot, more than our opponents, but don't score heavily, so we don't have as many rebounds. So lets look at the stats assuming we haven't scored after/on the siren.

Rd 1
Port inside 50's........ - 59, score 12.15, therefore Melbourne Rebounds = 47 maximum possible, was 46
Melbourne inside 50's - 45, score 9.7, therefore Port Rebounds = 36 maximum possible, was 35

Rd 2
Port inside 50's.. - 70, score 13.11 therefore Carlton Rebounds = 57 maximum possible, was 53
Blues inside 50's - 53, score 11.6 therefore Port Rebounds = 42 maximum possible, was 40

To decrease that differential we have to solve a problem that has been there for all of the Hinkley era - improve our goal kicking efficiency inside 50! Kick more goals and stop the oppo being more efficient than we are inside 50, and that differential changes.

Choco used to say under the Motlop+Ebert forward era, we don't get the ball inside 50 often enough, but when we do get it in there, we are very efficient.

Hinkley has never said it about his teams game style, but has alluded to it after individual games can be summed up as, we get it inside 50 often enough (we play the territory game), but we aren't very efficient when we get it in there.
 
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From the AFL record on Saturday it had the Champion Data stats averages for individual players for both sides from Rd 1 2018 and compares it to AFL averages.

These are the AFL averages per position.
Ruckmen Kicking Efficiency % = 57.9%, Disposal Efficiency % = 68.8% Metres Gained = 154.8

Midfielders KE% = 60.1%, DE% = 70.3%, MG = 312.1

Forwards KE% = 60.5%, DE% = 68.1%, MG = 215.3

Defenders KE% = 72.9%, DE% = 77.7%, MG = 264.9
 

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But you have to read that with

Inside 50s 2nd
Opponent 16th

Ie we get the ball inside 50's a lot, more than our opponents, but don't score heavily, so we don't have as many rebounds. So lets look at the stats assuming we haven't scored after the siren.

Rd 1
Port inside 50's - 59, score 12.15, therefore Melbourne Rebounds = 47
Melbourne inside 50's - 45, score 9.7, therefore Port Rebounds = 36

Rd 2
Port inside 50's - 70, score 13.11 therefore Carlton Rebounds = 57
Port inside 50's - 53, score 11.6 therefore Port Rebounds = 42

To decrease that differential we have to solve a problem that has been there for all of the Hinkley era - improve our goal kicking efficiency inside 50! Kick more goals and stop the oppo being more efficient than we are inside 50, and that differential changes.

Choco used to say under the Motlop+Ebert forward era, we don't get the ball inside 50 often enough, but when we do get it in there, we are very efficient.

Hinkley has never said it about his teams game style, but has alluded to it after individual games can be summed up as, we get it inside 50 often enough (we play the territory game), but we aren't very efficient when we get it in there.
When we got on top in the second quarter, it seemed as if we were almost letting Carlton go long, chopping it off at the wing then attaching back into space with loose men. It seemed like we did a better job of lowering the eyes and hitting up targets.

What was also clear was that we looked much better attacking through the corridor. A few times we hit the square and then spotted up a mid at CHF. This is something we've struggled to do over previous years.

Round 1 at the G, we played with the wider space a bit more as expected.

The ground dimensions may also play a party in how Marshall goes. I think the constant movement available wide at the MCG probably suits him over the narrower Adelaide oval.
 

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But you have to read that with

Inside 50s 2nd
Opponent 16th

Ie we get the ball inside 50's a lot, more than our opponents but don't score heavily so we don't have as many rebounds. So lets look at the stats assuming we haven't scored after the siren.

Rd 1
Port inside 50's - 59, score 12.15, therefore Melbourne Rebounds = 47
Melbourne inside 50's - 45, score 9.7, therefore Port Rebounds = 36

Rd 2
Port inside 50's - 70, score 13.11 therefore Carlton Rebounds = 57
Port inside 50's - 53, score 11.6 therefore Port Rebounds = 42

To decrease that differential we have to solve a problem that has been there for all of the Hinkley era - improve our goal kicking efficiency inside 50! Kick more goals and stop the oppo being more efficient than we are inside 50, and that differential changes.

Choco used to say under the Motlop+Ebert forward era, we don't get the ball inside 50 often enough, but when we do get it in there, we are very efficient.

Hinkley has never said it about his teams game style, but has alluded to it after individual games can be summed up as, we get it inside 50 often enough (we play the territory game), but we aren't very efficient when we get it in there.
We definitely have an issue with goal conversion, but for mine, that starts from defence and the poor disposal efficiency. If we've got 36 and 42 chances to rebound the ball out of defence and create 59 and 70 inside 50s, it means that we are getting a lot of repeat entries due to defenders getting back behind the ball due to inefficient disposal in transition.

Adelaide Oval is exactly the sort of ground where you need players who have the ability to kick long and precise out of defence. It's more like Docklands than the MCG. Bring in some better defenders and we'll dominate games.
 

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When we got on top in the second quarter, it seemed as if we were almost letting Carlton go long, chopping it off at the wing then attaching back into space with loose men. It seemed like we did a better job of lowering the eyes and hitting up targets.

What was also clear was that we looked much better attacking through the corridor. A few times we hit the square and then spotted up a mid at CHF. This is something we've struggled to do over previous years.

Round 1 at the G, we played with the wider space a bit more as expected.

The ground dimensions may also play a party in how Marshall goes. I think the constant movement available wide at the MCG probably suits him over the narrower Adelaide oval.
I am struggling to remember the second quarter, but I remember us doing that a lot in the last quarter and Lycett in particular setting himself up for that sort of play.

We kicked 4.2 from 21 inside 50's to their 2.1 from 13 and their last goal game from Westhoff putting on a defensive, smash spoil that went 20m straight into Simpson's hands with a minute to go.
 
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Adelaide Oval is exactly the sort of ground where you need players who have the ability to kick long and precise out of defence. It's more like Docklands than the MCG. Bring in some better defenders and we'll dominate games.
That's why Shannon Hurn was such a weapon at Subiaco 175mx122m and will continue to be at PS, as its 165mx130m which is comparable to AO's 167mx124m.

Hurn is strong, does the hard tough defensive stuff, but is also a beautiful long accurate kick. Brad Shepherd joined him last year in the top 3 for kicking efficiency for defenders in the league and they both were an important part of the Eagles success.
 

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Better put up The Road Runner's stats - and other's from Saturday evening in here. Thank's Nihilus for the screen shots from the DUUrsma thread.

Total distance ran and at high speed were up compared to game at MCG. Probably because of the wind, had to work a bit hard to cover the ball going further, as well as AO being marginally longer but substantially skinnier says more running is done.



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So you're saying he has a unique blend of speed and endurance?

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