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2019 team rankings according to Champion Data

Discussion in 'AFL - The Australian Football League' started by RUNVS, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. RUNVS

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    1. Melbourne
    2. Adelaide
    3. Richmond
    4. Essendon
    5. Collingwood
    6. Geelong
    7. GWS Giants
    8. North Melbourne
    9. Hawthorn
    10. Brisbane
    11. West Coast
    12. Port Adelaide
    13. Sydney
    14. St Kilda
    15. Western Bulldogs
    16. Carlton
    17. Fremantle
    18. Gold Coast

    https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/11/28/champion-data-reveals-2019-afl-list-rankings/

    This is obviously based on pure stats, so there are no biases involved there, but of course pure stats do not allow for any nuance and sort of takes the human element out of the equation. Not to mention that stats are not always right, as sometimes they lie, or at the very least give inaccurate or even contradictory information.

    So, with that in mind how do you think Champion Data did here?

    For myself, well I am biased here but I personally don't think the Swans have the 6th worst list in the AFL going into 2019 though I wonder if others will agree with that assessment.

    I also have no idea how West Coast are 11th and Brisbane and North Melbourne both seem too high as well. As for Adelaide, well I am not sure how they managed to get 2nd here, though I would love to see the exact stats and criteria Champion Data do use.
     
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  2. banzai

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    Lol brisbane ahead of west coast
     
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  3. RUNVS

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    I know that for the 2022 season I would much rather have Brisbane's list than West Coast's, but in 2019, well not so much.
     
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    Maybe the importance champion data rates on certain stats has become outdated
     
  5. Rusty Brookes

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    Anyone got any idea of how often the number one ranked team has gone on to win the flag the following year? Or alternately what position the premier was in the Champion Data at this time of the year?
     
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    Except you have no idea what the respective lists will look like in three year's time.
     
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    Champion Data rankings looking more and more like Roby's Power Rankings every year. They're so irrelevant now it's not funny. :$
     
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  8. RUNVS

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    1. Sydney Swans – Five elite players (Lance Franklin, Dan Hannebery, Tom Papley, Josh Kennedy and Dane Rampe).
    Note: The Swans also have a stunning 12 above average players.

    2. Port Adelaide – Six elite players – (Robbie Gray, Paddy Ryder, Justin Westhoff, Charlie Dixon, Chad Wingard and Travis Boak).
    Note: The Power has 10 above average players, with Jack Watts and Steven Motlop in that category. New recruit Tom Rockliff was rated average last year, largely because of injury.

    3. Adelaide – Six elite players (Brodie Smith, Rory Sloane, Rory Laird, Eddie Betts, Tom Lynch and Taylor Walker).
    Note: The Crows have five above average players.

    4. GWS – Four elite players (Zac Williams, Toby Greene, Jeremy Cameron and Lachie Whitfield).
    Note: The Giants have 10 above average players.

    5. Melbourne – Four elite players (Jake Lever, Christian Petracca, Jayden Hunt and Tom McDonald).
    Note: The Demons have eight above average players including Clayton Oliver, Max Gawn, Jack Viney and Nathan Jones.

    6. Geelong – Four elite players (Patrick Dangerfield, Gary Ablett, Sam Menegola and Daniel Menzel).
    Note: The Cats have seven above average players.

    7. Western Bulldogs – One elite player (Jason Johannisen).
    Note: The Dogs have nine above average players and 12 average players.

    8. Richmond – Three elite players (Shane Edwards, Dustin Martin and Alex Rance).
    Note: The Tigers have nine above average players.

    9. Hawthorn – Three elite players (Ben McEvoy, Luke Bruest and Cyril Rioli).
    Note: The Hawks have seven above average players.

    10. Collingwood – Three elite players (Jeremy Howe, Scott Pendlebury and Jack Crisp).

    11. Essendon – Two elite players (Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti and Michael Hurley).

    Note: The Bombers have nine above average players.

    12. West Coast – Six elite players (Jeremy McGovern, Elliot Yeo, Shannon Hurn, Josh Kennedy, Luke Shuey and Nic Naitanui).
    Note: The Eagles have two above average players. Andrew Gaff is listed as an average player.

    13. North Melbourne – One elite player (Todd Goldstein).
    Note: The Kangaroos have six above average players.

    14. St Kilda – One elite player (Jack Sinclair).
    Note: The Saints have seven above average players.

    15. Gold Coast – Two elite players (Aaron Hall and Tom Lynch).
    Note: The Suns have four above average players.

    16. Brisbane Lions – Two elite players (Daniel Rich and Dayne Zorko).
    Note: The Lions have four above average players, including Luke Hodge.

    17. Fremantle – One elite player (Nat Fyfe).
    Note: The Dockers have five above average players.

    18. Carlton – One elite player (Sam Docherty).

    https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/01/31/champion-data-ranks-your-club's-list-for-2018/
     
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    Brisbane ranked 1st and 4th worst defence for 2017 and 2018 yet champion data rank them 3rd best for 2019. :rolleyes::drunk:

    I think champion data been having too many of these :wineglass::wineglass::wineglass::beercheers::beercheers::beercheers::beercheers::beermug::beermug::beermug::beermug::beermug::cocktail::cocktail::cocktail::cocktail::cocktail::cocktail:
     
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    Gold Coast a bit high...
     
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    So West Coast win the flag and are rated 11th?

    Didnt realise Robert Walls works at Champion Data. o_O
     

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    So this year's Grand Finalists were rated 12th (premiers) and 10th. Top team after the H&A were rated 8th. Three of the top four after H&A were rated outside of the top eight.

    Top ranked team knocked out in the first week of the finals (and pantsed in the process), the second and third ranked team didn't even make the finals.

    Oh and the current Brownlow Medallist wasn't rated as elite. Neither was the bloke that won the Coleman Medal.

    And Jack Watts was rated as above average.
     
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    Terrible list.

    Essendon should be #1 for a start.
     
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    Essendon's mother didn't write the list :)
     
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    Excellent. Keep underestimating the sleeping giants out West.

    Hope to be sitting here in 12 months time with everyone scratching their heads asking "how did West Coast win it again!?"
     
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    Lol and we were ranked 12th last year and won the premiership. Says it all about how 'elite' Champion Data rankings are.
     
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    Champion Data seems to be more about stat padding e.g. look at Tom Mitchell and where he was rated this year. Best stat padding teams are at the top is not a surprise. Melbourne have the likes of Gawn, Oliver, Viney who love the cheap possessions and Adelaide with Laird, Sloane etc as well loving the cheap possessions
     
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    The moment you see WCE isn’t on top you know CD is just taking the piss.


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    The reigning premiers - with Gaff and NicNat to return - are ranked 11th.

    Tells you all you need to to know about stats.
     
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    Thats probably not even the worst/ most innacurate result from champiom data. Some of the players who are rated as "elite"...
     
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    Cripps not considered elite? Righteo

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    It’s hard to believe the coverage this stats crap gets. I guess it’s the fantasy footy thing.
     
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    shut that website down immediately
     
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    West Coast's midfield in the finals won all of the major stats, but they didn't throughout the year. For example, West Coast ranked 18th for ground-ball gets in 2018. Sheed was in and out of the team during the year, but was fantastic late, just as Redden had a great last 6 weeks.

    CD work on a full two season average ending at the Grand Final. But there's a weighting system attached. More recent games have a greater loading than games played nearly two years ago. For example, the 2018 GF has greater weight in their algorithms than round 1, 2017. Even the second half of 2018 has greater weight than the first half of 2018.

    They measure the stats of every player on every list as long as that player has played at least 5 games within the last two years. Their algorithms spit out the results of every player within the criteria and they rank the lists accordingly.

    There's no "opinion" in these stats. And they don't suggest taking them as any guide to future performance.
     
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