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2019 team rankings according to Champion Data

Discussion in 'AFL - The Australian Football League' started by RUNVS, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. ParapMarkets

    ParapMarkets Premiership Player

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    I think it can be quantifiable, they just clearly have their markers wrong. They do take stats from the past 40 games, so there are a number of games taken from 2017, but they made finals that year as well. WC don’t have to be number 1, but they finished home & away in 2nd spot, it’s not like they just scraped into finals and then had a good month. They just simply can’t be 11th, it’s ridiculous.
     

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  2. Isaac Cumming No 1

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    I think it's their gameplan, which will be reflected in the individual players stats. A p9ssessi9nalieiented game will prioritise decusion making and precision execution skills, particularly kicking. I'm thinking champion data rates contested all wins and metres gained higher.

    That would tend to favour players in team playing a more territory oriented game kicking long to a contest more.

    I dont recall but Iwonder if champion data underrated the Hawks in their dominant period, and a gameplan with some similarities.
     
  3. ParapMarkets

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    The Hawks were highly rated by champion data, they were ranked number 1 heading into both the 2015 and 2016 seasons.
     
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    Mmmmm

    I need to research the details then
     
  5. nineteen eighty

    nineteen eighty Norm Smith Medallist

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    Appreciate what you are saying but there is a absolutely "opinion" in their ratings...it's in the weightings themselves. I like CD and the work they do but as in all cases, stats are not the be all and end all. Case in point...West Coast Eagles.
     
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    Do you know how they went against their opposition in the categories you have listed in the finals?
     
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    nineteen eighty Norm Smith Medallist

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    Agree. The stats are good to look at how sides play and individually how they measure against opponents in each of the categories. Ranking teams based on God knows what algorithm seems highly flawed based on what it has thrown out.
     
  8. hawkman

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    We were ranked highly during that period

    My favourite Champion Data stat was ranking Hawthorn's forward line the worst in the league at the start of 2008
     
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    nineteen eighty Norm Smith Medallist

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    The stats themselves are fine. It's the weightings and interpretation that are BS.
     
  10. HairyO

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    So they have been worse than a dart board for at least a decade.

    And people still pay attention.
     
  11. Carson Dial

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    Quick way to improve their strike rate... employ Paul the Octopus (plus he's cheap)
     
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    • They obviously need to get a black dude to rewrite it altogether.
     
  13. HairyO

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    If it could be quantified thrn surely the guys spending millions of dollars on research would be the ones to do it?
     
  14. Big_Tony

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    It's a ranking of the best lists based on the individual player stats that make up those lists. The interpretation is the problem. Football is a team game, and a team needs to be more than the sum of its parts to win. Some players will have their true "stats potential" dampened to fit the role the team needs them to play for example. Simply looking at the list of player stats doesn't tell you much about how well the team functions as a whole.
     
  15. harrythetiger

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    It is both. It is a current rating used to predict 2019.
     
  16. Abasi

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    They did what???

    Two 20 yr olds had kicked 113 goals between them in 2007....
     
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    All this tells me is we've got a long way to go before we get a proper handle on what stats actually contribute to wins in Australian Football. It also shows that individual performance means very, very little. In Australian Football, perhaps more than any other sport I can think of, the whole is much greater than the sum of its parts.

    Things like system, coaching, player conhesion, tactics, etc, etc, are huge contributors to success that are not accounted for at all in lists like these.
     
  20. B4Bear

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    Just goes to show what a dominant midfield Hawthorn had. Let's face it, in their prime the Hawks midfield could have made the Carlton forwards look good.
     
  21. Mcgearzz

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    Lol how are wce 11th they won the flag with gaff and natanui to come back. Did Robert walls write this?
     
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    Fair comments but Sloane is not a cheap ball getter, that's M Crouch

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  23. doppleganger

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    They lost Lycett, who is higher rated according to player ratings compared to NicNat.

    And LeCras, who was their highest rated small/forward.

    They rated WC 12th when they did this heading into 2018, so an improvement.

    It is best viewed as a ‘talent’ rating...which is just as useful as a Carlton fan trotting out how many top10 draft picks they have on their list!

    Trying to use individual ratings from previous seasons, with players often at different clubs, to then create ‘team’ rankings is nonsense.
     
  24. winty

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    Similar to how Zac Smith is supposedly the 10th best ruckman yet only played 3 games for the year.
     
  25. the view

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    agree , you have to be very lonely to play that shit
     
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