List Mgmt. 2019 Trade & Free Agency Thread

[SpiderBurton22]

If i'm not mistaken we have a higher 1st round pick than Carlton currently do

And?

Won't make any difference if he doesn't want to come to us.

 

[DrZaius]

And?

Won't make any difference if he doesn't want to come to us.

And how do you know he wants to go to Carlton?

 

[King Hansen]

Going to stick my neck out and say Blakey and Daniher have something in common but darned if I can identify it.

Both have small/weird looking heads?

 

[kangaspurs]

I agree with all of that except that I don't think we will be improved by targeting someone who sits in that 15-22. We need better than that. We should create depth by pushing down, getting good footballers and shuffling our pre existing players in that 15-22 further down the order. Not sure Ellis makes us better I guess.

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Yeah, I agree that that's the way ideal list management would work. Don't get me wrong, I actually think he would be best 22, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm saying go get him. The reason why I do think he would be of value though is that we lack experienced AFL players in that sort of 23-27 age group. We've got a lot in their late 20s/early 30s and a lot of talent under 22. More players in that range would help transition as those older guys get phased out. I think it's good list management to have a list demographic that is evenly spread in terms of age.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

We should shake the tree of [insert club with star players] and see what falls out.

 

[Gorman2Geister]

We should shake the tree of [insert club with star players] and see what falls out.

Maybe Charlie Gardiner could be our new list manager?

 

[the flying ham]

Yeah, I agree that that's the way ideal list management would work. Don't get me wrong, I actually think he would be best 22, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm saying go get him. The reason why I do think he would be of value though is that we lack experienced AFL players in that sort of 23-27 age group. We've got a lot in their late 20s/early 30s and a lot of talent under 22. More players in that range would help transition as those older guys get phased out. I think it's good list management to have a list demographic that is evenly spread in terms of age.

Without counting I would say we have a at least a dozen in that 23-27 bracket, the bulk of who played senior footy this year. The problem isn't the number, but the quality of that group. Adding another player like Ellis does not enhance that demographic if that is the reason to recruit him

 

[the flying ham]

15 in fact in that demographic. Brown being the best and likely only A grader. Question is, is he an upgrade on Dumont or Polec? Definitely not on Polec, and not enough if at all on Dumont to warrant his recruiting.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Free agency is what makes Ellis appealing. Not having to give anything up and getting a player who would be in the 15-25 range of your squad is enticing. Can play wing or hbf

His salary would be the average wage and we have plenty of cap space

 

[the flying ham]

Free agency is what makes Ellis appealing. Not having to give anything up and getting a player who would be in the 15-25 range of your squad is enticing. Can play wing or hbf

His salary would be the average wage and we have plenty of cap space

Mate if you hate JMac I give you a month tops with Ellis before you start beating that drum

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[The Nostradamus]

Mate if you hate JMac I give you a month tops with Ellis before you start beating that drum

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I’m willing to find out

 

[shinboner magic]

Free agency is what makes Ellis appealing. Not having to give anything up and getting a player who would be in the 15-25 range of your squad is enticing. Can play wing or hbf

His salary would be the average wage and we have plenty of cap space

Free is not always better

Look at Wells , Hannebery ect

 

[Bigeasy]

Free agency is what makes Ellis appealing. Not having to give anything up and getting a player who would be in the 15-25 range of your squad is enticing. Can play wing or hbf

His salary would be the average wage and we have plenty of cap space

You're obsession with other club's offcuts is comical. You bemoan JMac yet you pine for players that are not as good.

I’m willing to find out

Why you can see him play now. He isn't that good.

 

[The Nostradamus]

You're obsession with other club's offcuts is comical. You bemoan JMac yet you pine for players that are not as good.


Why you can see him play now. He isn't that good.

Don’t be silly Macmillan is nowhere near the players mentioned

And Ellis year has been good to date

 

[Bigeasy]

Don’t be silly Macmillan is nowhere near the players mentioned

And Ellis year has been good to date

You're mainly on your own there so you can spitball that amongst yourself.

 

[Hazey1977]

Well I've done my research and I'm pretty sure that Sam Frost will travel very nicely during the H&A rounds, if not the finals.

I hate the agreement for all finals to be in Yabby Creek until 2093! Alf is still spewin' at Gil over that deal

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[Hazey1977]

Good thing we don’t have brad in change then, as they’d be hand balling to each other in a circle formation.

Surely they'd give the 3 man weave a go? Maybe even the Flying V from Mighty Ducks?

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[kangaspurs]

Without counting I would say we have a at least a dozen in that 23-27 bracket, the bulk of who played senior footy this year. The problem isn't the number, but the quality of that group. Adding another player like Ellis does not enhance that demographic if that is the reason to recruit him

If you look at the non-KPPs in that group off the top of my head, Garner, Jacobs and Wood all have question marks over their future for one reason or another. The only players that are clearly better and/or more physically reliable than him are Dumont and Polec.

Dumont is probably the most analogous player on our list. Ellis and Dumont are actually perfect examples of the wing men that Mitch Robinson wrote about the other week, and how the role of the wing man these days is not to be a ball hunter but to be positionally disciplined, structurally sound and to be able to do a lot of defensive running. Dumont is elite in this position and one of our top 10 players imo, and Scott has potential, but they're the only two that really fit the role.

As I said, he's not a get at all costs type of player, but I see the value in him as a recruit from both a depth in his role pov and a list demographic pov.

 

[Waussie]

Richmond has locked in emerging duo Shai Bolton and Patrick Naish for two years, with the pair re-committing until 2021.

Bugger!!!

 

[marklovesbeer]

Not sure if it’s been posted anywhere but I’m heading out of Adelaide we’ve been asking about Alex Keath & they want Durdin.

 

[Shermanator]

Not sure if it’s been posted anywhere but I’m heading out of Adelaide we’ve been asking about Alex Keath & they want Durdin.

I’d be heading out of Adelaide too... its a shithole..

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Would rather keep one of McKay/Durdin, the latter preferably.

 

[king rising]

Not sure if it’s been posted anywhere but I’m heading out of Adelaide we’ve been asking about Alex Keath & they want Durdin.

Do that in a heartbeat

 

[The Nostradamus]

Adelaide have Talia, Doedee and Hartigan

Keath is not going to be a big loss for them and they should be wanting mids or picks more than KPD

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Would give a future 2nd for Keath.