List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread - Part II

[plugger66]

He is close to his family. 20 mins.
So if we can't get a good deal with Geelong then trade him to another Melbourne club that will?

No that was if he moved up that way. he is 2 hours from his family now.

 

[mightymalaka]

I know he likes eating dimmies. That could be part of his job. Id say you are right. He has other things to do obviosly

So it's true then!

You are Gummy Allen!

 

[gringo2011]

Geelong will look on this with interest.

Saying Jack has a mental illness will materially impact what we get as a trade.

If he is that unwell, it is a huge risk for Geelong. He may get worse and not play at all.

Why should Geelong pay out big for a player past his best with mental illness issues?

Don't want to sound harsh, but we say its a business, surely this is a factor for Geelong

Mental illness is more like schizophrenia, I'm not aware of his actual situation but from what I've heard it more in the depression anxiety range of conditions which are much more manageable. From rumours, being closer to where his family is located will help relieve some of those issues.

If his kid is living on the surf coast it should go a long way towards helping feel less removed from their life.

 

[plugger66]

So it's true then!

You are Gummy Allen!

Not Gummy yet but maybe at Chinese dentist time today. God I hate dentists.

 

[mightymalaka]

Not Gummy yet but maybe at Chinese dentist time today. God I hate dentists.

Agreed! Sick Bastards, they know how to inflict pain!
The only saving grace for them is the fine work they have done for the Collingwood Football club over the years!

 

[bird_man]

Mental illness is more like schizophrenia, I'm not aware of his actual situation but from what I've heard it more in the depression anxiety range of conditions which are much more manageable. From rumours, being closer to where his family is located will help relieve some of those issues.

If his kid is living on the surf coast it should go a long way towards helping feel less removed from their life.

No.

Mental illness can be all types of things, including depression, bipolar, anxiety disorders, even eating disorders.

 

[TheJackal]

It’s a personal situation with his family. He’s going through a very tough time of it and being close to the surf coast makes things a hell of a lot easier for him.
People need to realise that while footy is life to some supporters, some players don’t feel that way.
If Jack wants to leave our club then we simply must do the right thing and grant him his wish. If he goes on to play 100 games with another club then we should all be very happy because that means he got his life back on track.

Can he not get his life back on track and play for Lorne with his mates? It sounds like he needs to get out of the AFL system altogether based on his mental health. I'd rather he retire TBH

 

[Present Not Past]

I'm happy for him to be traded to Geelong because he wants to play for Geelong.
I don't want to see another Luke Ball farce where he has to go into the draft to get to his club of choice.

 

[BrutThough]

It’s a personal situation with his family. He’s going through a very tough time of it and being close to the surf coast makes things a hell of a lot easier for him.
People need to realise that while footy is life to some supporters, some players don’t feel that way.
If Jack wants to leave our club then we simply must do the right thing and grant him his wish. If he goes on to play 100 games with another club then we should all be very happy because that means he got his life back on track.

And supporters can want what's best for Jack's health while also being really disappointed he is leaving and demand that the club receives proper compensation from Geelong taking our best player.

 

[mightymalaka]

No.

Mental illness can be all types of things, including depression, bipolar, anxiety disorders, even eating disorders.

This is true!
Would like to add my deepest condolences Birdy on the shocking loss you have suffered at this demon!
Sadly it seems to have affected most of us these days in one way or another!

Kudos for sharing man! Stay strong Birdacious one!

 

[plugger66]

And supporters can want what's best for Jack's health while also being really disappointed he is leaving and demand that the club receives proper compensation from Geelong taking our best player.

They certainly can but what is proper compensation to one maybe in appropriate to another.

 

[bird_man]

This is true!
Would like to add my deepest condolences Birdy on the shocking loss you have suffered at this demon!
Sadly it seems to have affected most of us these days in one way or another!

Kudos for sharing man! Stay strong Birdacious one!

Cheers legend

 

[plugger66]

Can he not get his life back on track and play for Lorne with his mates? It sounds like he needs to get out of the AFL system altogether based on his mental health. I'd rather he retire TBH

I dont think the AFL system is effecting his mental health.

 

[BrutThough]

They certainly can but what is proper compensation to one maybe in appropriate to another.

That can be healthily debated and discussed until said trade occurs.

 

[Present Not Past]

Playing for Geelong will be better for his mental health.

 

[gringo2011]

Totally agree what a stupid decision that has turned out to be for both Stuv & the club. I often wonder WTF goes on in our football club we have absolutely no forsight.

An early pick in last years draft would be like gold.

In the same breath they give a complete GOP like McKenzie a 3 year extension.

Off a bottom 4 year losing your best player would have made the club hard to sell to sponsors, members and potential trade targets. Getting someone like Hanners was probably a desperate move knowing that it could be this year.

 

[plugger66]

That can be healthily debated and discussed until said trade occurs.

Agreed. I have a big range 15-25 but probably closer to 25 than 15.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

It’s a personal situation with his family. He’s going through a very tough time of it and being close to the surf coast makes things a hell of a lot easier for him.
People need to realise that while footy is life to some supporters, some players don’t feel that way.
If Jack wants to leave our club then we simply must do the right thing and grant him his wish. If he goes on to play 100 games with another club then we should all be very happy because that means he got his life back on track.

Lots of different views about, and people are of course entitled to theirs as much as I am to mine.

With that in mind, MG's post above is 100% how I feel about the situation.

Wish nothing but a long and happy future for Jack whatever happens on the footy side.

 

[plugger66]

Off a bottom 4 year losing your best player would have made the club hard to sell to sponsors, members and potential trade targets. Getting someone like Hanners was probably a desperate move knowing that it could be this year.

Yep imagine the uproar by some of those saying we should have let him go then if we actually did. We did the right thing. He was happy to stay. Sometimes things don't work out.

 

[Joffaboy]

Or maybe Jack is just sick of not playing finals and wants a crack at a flag before he retires.

That desire to play top level football and his desire to be with his family is not mutually exclusive. One may very well help the other.

 

[BrutThough]

Agreed. I have a big range 15-25 but probably closer to 25 than 15.

I would want around pick 18-22, so right in your range.
Once the pick starts getting close to 30, which gets pushed back by academy selections, then I would start to get a bit disgruntled especially since it sounds like we will be paying part of his salary because there is no other possible way they could afford him.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Agreed. I have a big range 15-25 but probably closer to 25 than 15.

Geelong will likely only have one pick in that range and it'll be closer to 15 than 25.

Hopefully they're out in straight sets and their pick is 14!

 

[Present Not Past]

Or maybe Jack is just sick of not playing finals and wants a crack at a flag before he retires.

That desire to play top level football and his desire to be with his family is not mutually exclusive. One may very well help the other.

I don't think anyone seriously believes he wants to play for Geelong just to be close to his family.
I agree though that having family nearby will be helpful for him. That would be helpful for any person.

 

[gringo2011]

IN BETTER NEWS - NICK & CATH JUST HAD THEIR THIRD BOY!

No father sons for years and Rooey is single handedly trying to breed a team for us. Nice work.

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Sorry, someone mentioned before that he has "mental health issues" not a "mental illness". You mention Mental Illness. Is there a difference? Is one less of an impairment than the other? Should 1 be treated any differently to the other? Or is it just semantics?

Not asking just you Plugger, but everyone in general.

Happy to chat in PM mate if you want some more information, but they definitely aren't the same thing (even if people increasingly use the terms interchangeably).

Very short and crude difference is that we all have 'mental' health the same way we have 'physical' health, and we all have 'issues' (at least to some degree) that influence our overall mental health in various ways.

On the other hand, a mental illness is a specific condition (or conditions) that have been diagnosed. There is a range of them, and within each condition there are varying levels of severity.

These two things (mental health and mental illness) are of course related. But it is possible to have damn good mental health overall and also have a diagnosed mental illness, or to have poor mental health and no actual illness etc.

Now I have just butchered a lot of nuanced research here (and apologies to any experts out there). But hopefully that very crude distinction makes sense.