List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[DGontheQT]

Ed Langdon from freo

Karl Langdon from 6PR

 

[gringo2011]

Karl Langdon from 6PR

I don't know why but I've always had an irrational dislike of Karl, he's like someone bred Christopher Pine with Jason Ackermanis...well he's taken their levels of annoying and upped it anyway.

 

[triggering bro]

I would love for the club to poach Tim Kelly. I understand he’s got a young family & wishes to return to Perth but how about 6 years at 800k to set yourself & your family up for life?

 

[DGontheQT]

I don't know why but I've always had an irrational dislike of Karl, he's like someone bred Christopher Pine with Jason Ackermanis...well he's taken their levels of annoying and upped it anyway.

I didn't like him when he played , but he is good on the radio , quite measured , not too tabloid like some others.
Surely you meant Christopher Pyne , Politician and not Christopher Pine , Actor and apparent Seahawks man ?

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Come end of the year i don't see that we have too many players on our list that aren't AFL standard to make way for the next draft.
Armitage and Rowe at this stage. Possibly Rice.
I'm thinking it would make sense for us to trade a decent young player for an improved draft pick. IE player and pick for a better pick.
Someone like Phillips or McKenzie perhaps.

Top 10 BnF McKenzie (off 13 games)?

 

[VDS66]

Come end of the year i don't see that we have too many players on our list that aren't AFL standard to make way for the next draft.
Armitage and Rowe at this stage. Possibly Rice.
I'm thinking it would make sense for us to trade a decent young player for an improved draft pick. IE player and pick for a better pick.
Someone like Phillips or McKenzie perhaps.

An average player will get you an average pick. If they are worth a good pick, why would you get rid of them for an unknown draftee?

Dmac would get you a 2nd at best. Why swap him for a pick 25 unknown that will take around 2-3 years to establish himself?

Doesn't make sense.

 

[StCicatriz]

Yeah, getting the Pelican out of the club was the best thing we could have done. He was like Mr Bean, he was a walking disaster. I think the Hickey and Longer trades have probably been just as shit as well. That era wasn't great but we seem to be on track now.

"there's no ruckman available so we are going to trade for one"

nekt minute.

 

[StCicatriz]

I would love for the club to poach Tim Kelly. I understand he’s got a young family & wishes to return to Perth but how about 6 years at 800k to set yourself & your family up for life?

man that'd be awesome!

 

[aussierulesrules]

Gresham averaged 29 disposals per game in the TAC Cup in his draft year.

Pretty confident he didn't do that from the forward pocket!

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Dunstan was the only true mid, Blake was a utility and Billings was a half forward who some were worried would never transition to a mid. Clarke and Coffield again both had stints at half back and at least Hunter had some serious exposed midfield time, Coffield was back forward and middle.

There's a massive difference between supporters having worries about whether a player will develop into a certain type & what the club expects and projects internally.

As I posted, all of the players that you mentioned spent the majority of their junior careers predominately as mids.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

i know of some clubs that didn't have him inside the top 10 for the reasons everyone has noted on here

I don't believe that for a nano second.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Here is Gresh's draft profile from the AFL website:

Not a bad resume he had!

https://m.afl.com.au/news/2015-11-04/20-days-to-the-draft-meet-boomer-harveys-protege-jade-gresham

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

i think you are being a bit sneaky here.

acres was a utility, played center at colts level but HBF in the champs. since joining us he's been played mainly as a third tall forward, who can push up around the ground. billings was a HFF at tac cup level and the champs. he has been able to cement a spot on the wing now and looks every bit of an outside mid. dunstan was played in the center as a colt. mix of center and half back flank in the champs. center since joining. gresham was a fwd pocket predominantly.

so really we drafted 1 genuine mid, who hasn't really made it, but found another in billings. with gresham looking likely.

prior to that the other genuine mid was seb ross, who has cemented his spot there.

so we seem to be grabbing blokes in other positions and transferring them into what we think they can be, which is what you should be doing at the draft. i mean not every play can play as a mid. there's only 5 spots in the side for it, maybe some interchange, so naturally in a very gifted side you will have blokes playing other positions.

Which is pretty much what I said... kids playing predominately as mids until the champs when they get pushed onto a flank, etc.

So it depends which way you look at it (or which way your cognitive bias runs). Either we're drafting kids & eventually playing them in their natural positions or we're hoping that a kid who's spent a season playing in another role can transition into an area of need.

 

[Joffaboy]

Yeah, getting the Pelican out of the club was the best thing we could have done. He was like Mr Bean, he was a walking disaster. I think the Hickey and Longer trades have probably been just as shit as well. That era wasn't great but we seem to be on track now.

Funnily enough Pelican has put his head up to criticise our list lately.

Hmmmmm[emoji41][emoji41][emoji41][emoji41]

 

[gringo2011]

There's a massive difference between supporters having worries about whether a player will develop into a certain type & what the club expects and projects internally.

As I posted, all of the players that you mentioned spent the majority of their junior careers predominately as mids.

Not so sure about TAC though.

 

[gringo2011]

Funnily enough Pelican has put his head up to criticise our list lately.

Hmmmmm[emoji41][emoji41][emoji41][emoji41]

That's like the reverse kiss of death. He seriously has no idea, he was on radio last year saying that Carlton should sell off all their talented players and start again...he actually said that he thought their fans wouldn't mind waiting another 7 years to play finals again because they'd waited this long. I know Carlton supporters that are already wanting to burn the club to the ground because of their inability to compete. They would need to be institutionalised if they were told to wait another 7 years.

 

[triggering bro]

Trout quote regarding Gresham:
“Elite speed & power. Great at stoppages”.

Trout’s legacy.

 

[plugger66]

That's like the reverse kiss of death. He seriously has no idea, he was on radio last year saying that Carlton should sell off all their talented players and start again...he actually said that he thought their fans wouldn't mind waiting another 7 years to play finals again because they'd waited this long. I know Carlton supporters that are already wanting to burn the club to the ground because of their inability to compete. They would need to be institutionalised if they were told to wait another 7 years.

For all the knocking of our recruiting and coaches he is more responsible for most poor things at the club than the rest combined. Dermie certainly got him right. Did he do one good thing?

 

[gringo2011]

Trout quote regarding Gresham:
“Elite speed & power. Great at stoppages”.

Trout’s legacy.

I wouldn't rate his speed as elite but for power and speed of thinking he's close.

 

[plugger66]

Trout quote regarding Gresham:
“Elite speed & power. Great at stoppages”.

Trout’s legacy.

Trout actually did well with a fair few picks above 10. I think McCartin really puts a dampener on things but I believe that was a combination of people.

 

[triggering bro]

I wouldn't rate his speed as elite but for power and speed of thinking he's close.

He ran the 20 metres in 3 seconds so it’s pretty damn good. Far from elite though. Trout doesn’t mind spinning a yarn.

What makes him look fast out of stoppages is his agility. He’s not only a straight line runner, he seems to move laterally quite a bit to create separation from the opponents.

 

[gringo2011]

Trout actually did well with a fair few picks above 10. I think McCartin really puts a dampener on things but I believe that was a combination of people.

He must have grown into the role a bit, there was massive turn over of players. Lonie and Mc Kenzie have definitely off set the stuff ups from Goddard/ Mc Cartin from that draft. I won't go over all the mistakes we made over the journey and just enjoy the positive vibes we are putting out at the moment anyway. Billings has really stepped up and Acres looks good as well. The Mc Evoy trade looks a lot better if Acres and Savage are best 22 players even if we don't get much from Dunstan.

 

[AFLOnline]

Gresham averaged 29 disposals per game in the TAC Cup in his draft year.

Pretty confident he didn't do that from the forward pocket!

He also won the goal kicking test at draft camp........ lol

 

[aussierulesrules]

He did terrifically well with the picks he had in his first draft.

Seb, Newnes and Jimmy with pix 25, 37 and 43 in a compromised draft was a ripping return. All best dozen or so several years later.

 

[triggering bro]

He must have grown into the role a bit, there was massive turn over of players. Lonie and Mc Kenzie have definitely off set the stuff ups from Goddard/ Mc Cartin from that draft. I won't go over all the mistakes we made over the journey and just enjoy the positive vibes we are putting out at the moment anyway. Billings has really stepped up and Acres looks good as well. The Mc Evoy trade looks a lot better if Acres and Savage are best 22 players even if we don't get much from Dunstan.

I know you’re not big on Trout but I can’t overly fault his selections. I’ve always said it’s been more a development issue rather than recruitment. The Paddy pick & not taking Bonar the only selections I’m a bit dirty on. I reckon Bonar will be a beast in time.