List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[aussierulesrules]

Rooey about to become dad again, GEE UP for 2036.

Riewoldt to Riewoldt to Riewoldt.

Is it too early for Max to start breeding?

Maybe we could have a stud room somewhere out the back at the club.

Like the smoosh room with the double bed in the Jersey Shore house?

 

[ScrappyDo]

Agree although I think the Players Association is more at fault than the game administrators in this regard. There is no way we and the likes and the Suns & Carlton should be forced to pay our players the same as the top tier teams. Its catch 22 no stars want to come to poorer unsucessful clubs and those very same clubs cant afford to pay the extra dollars to attract the players, so they never acheive sucess and the cycle continues.

The only way we will ever win a flag again is if we can stooge a coach like Clarkson to come to our club, who the stars want to play for. Otherwise Joffa sadly I think you are right.

The clubs don't pay the players matie, the league does.

 

[Yawkey way]

The clubs don't pay the players matie, the league does.

It makes no difference who pays the players in relation to recruiting.

The AFL has a hard cap and a must pay amount negotiated with the players association and clubs. Imo it’s ridiculous that the bottom team must pay pretty much the same as the top team every year. I’m dubious of the advantages of offering a single player overs to join our club but at present the AFL have an agreement which pretty much guarantees top players join top clubs in free agency.

It’s time for the clubs to push back against the players association on a range of issues, imo they want all the benefits of NFL players without any of the downside players experience in that league.

 

[ScrappyDo]

It makes no difference who pays the players in relation to recruiting.

The AFL has a hard cap and a must pay amount negotiated with the players association and clubs. Imo it’s ridiculous that the bottom team must pay pretty much the same as the top team every year. I’m dubious of the advantages of offering a single player overs to join our club but at present the AFL have an agreement which pretty much guarantees top players join top clubs in free agency.

It’s time for the clubs to push back against the players association on a range of issues, imo they want all the benefits of NFL players without any of the downside players experience in that league.

I must be missing something here. The SC system is one of the equalization measures that actually does work. The problem is the FA rules.
And so far as recruitment goes, it's because our club has been run like shit for a long time and everyone knows it. So the top players avoid us, coz their management tell them to. We are the ugly girl at the dance I'm afraid. Poor Hanners came back to our club after a big night on the pixie dust, been trying to chew his legs off ever since...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And yes, I have changed tack. Sick of playing the Pollyanna defending this useless club.
I am going full blown curmudgeon this season, expecting absolutely nothing and any morsel of improvement will be a blessing.

When you all come to the realisation that supporting this club in the forlorn hope of a second flag went at the siren of the first 2010 Grand Final, you will understand that our situation is hopeless.
Some might say the AFL will help us out. Fat chance. They know there are about 50k rusted on supporters who have drunk the kool aide. They will let us struggle while pumping resources into GC and Bris and GWS.
We are there to make up the numbers only. We wont attract a Lynch (Richmond) or a Sheil ( Essendon), they good players want to go to the powerful blockbuster teams.

How anyone thinks a Kelly, or Hopper would come to us when a Collingwood or Hawthorn are interested is deluded.

We will lose a coach this year, mean 2020 will be transition.We again need to trade into the draft meaning anything we have of value will be on the table. Our 'warchest' has meant nothing.
Carlton and Richmond gets the first game every year, we get 1.00 Sunday v GC with major train lines out. That is our place in the AFL in a nutshell. We are nothing but a bargaining tool for the AFL for broadcast rights.

We discuss and argue and ruminate on here and nothing changes. We are bottom eight and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Bleak? Pessimistic? Overreaction? Well all that is a possibility, but look at us since 2010 and tell me it isn't accurate.

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Hawks haven't always had good times, but they have been good at planning. Not reactive.
Like the Saints they loaded up in 2001.
They had their WTF moments. Shaun Rehn for a first rounder???
We attracted good players like Hamil and Gehrig, they got players like Everett.

If anything the Saints tried to build too fast. By performing pretty well in 2003 we picked up Andrew McQualter in the 2004 draft, a draft that was slim pickings after the early round 1. The Hawks through being crap the year before and picking up an undeserved priority pick got Jarryd Roughead, and Buddy, then the Nathan Thompson trade eventually netted them Lewis.

So they then had Mitchell, Buddy, Roughead, Lewis and Hodge. This core kept them competitive
Saints tried to make some big trades and they failed.
Hawks certainly had some early draft pick busts ( Mitch Thorp , Beau Dowler ).
Tom Lynch was better than Ryan Shoenmakers.

But never a professionally organised outfit, StKilda under Lyon became a "Maximise Performance on the field at all costs" team.
It wasn't just a matter of prioritise the "now" over the future, it was ignore anything that isn't affecting us right now.
Our drafting, until then pretty much average compared to others became putrid.

Player development was crap, players like Lynch, Armitage and Steven took years to come on.


Gehrig retired. Riewoldt was great, Kosi was suspect. backup was no-existent. Apart from those three we had no talls that could be as good as Bruce, Membrey, Battle or Marshall, or even Sam Bloody Rowe. Not until McCartin did we seriously try to get a replacement for any of them. We couldn't attract any players from other clubs because the cap was a disgusting mess. ( Earliest external sign of this was Ball Leaving ).
A well planned list management, recognising the time it takes to develop talls, and the general condition of Kosi, might have drafted Jack Riewoldt in favour of Armitage. Similarly they might have recognised that Hudghton wan't getting any younger and got James Frawley.

Instead as our aging stars retired we found band-aid solutions and soldiered on.
We had our shot at the flag, but the band-aids didn't hold up.

2010:
Jason Gram, probably a similar player to Savage. 26 then. If he didn't play first emergency was probably Raph ( if fit ). Replaced by Savage.
Zac Dawson, tall spud with fast reflexes ( back then ). Used band-aids to replace him ( Delaney) until we picked up an Aging Brown.
Baker: Backline lockdown tagger. Geary performs this roll very well now.
Sam Gilbert, similar to what we saw recently from Roberton. No young ones coming through. Replaced as a tall rebounder when we got Roberton.
Jason Blake, reliable tall utility, normally played as a 3rd tall. No young ones coming through. An aging Gilbert probably replaced him until this year.
Sam Fisher, Gun CHB. Not replaced until the Carlisle trade.
Brendon Goddard. Really a bit of a tall utility player, had no-one like him coming through back then. We hoped for Siposs, maybe Acres.
Nick Dal Santo. If he couldn't play, Steven Eddy or Armo got a game. Maybe Clark will be like him.
Farren Ray. Played as an outside mid, or sometimes a tagger. Heyne played 3 games hardly touching it. No replacement until Jack Newnes
Peake. Fast serviceable outside player. We had no-one else like that back then. Miles played 2 games.
Kosi. Wasn't the best at the given roll but we only had Adam Pattison as backup for him and Riewoldt.
Montagna: The only decent backup we had for all our mids, were Armitage, Steven, Eddy and Geary.
Adam Schnieder. Small forward, we had none coming through the draft, ( Ross just played less forwards if NA ), tried with Milera, Saad, finally we got Gresh.
Riewoldt. Had no real backup ( Tom Lynch got 1 game, 3 marks 5 disposals) Only just getting a workable forward line now.
Milne : As for Schneider. We had no backup back then, Jack Steven may have played Forward. Hopefully 2 of Gresh/Parker/Lonie/Young can be like the pair.
Gardiner: Aging injury prone ruck. McEvoy the one decent player we'd drafted in recent years, no others coming through.
Hayes: The only decent backup we had for all our mids, were Armitage, Steven, Eddy and Geary.
Jones: Very good midfield tagger. We haven't really done this much since he left until recently with Steele.

McQualter: Defensive forward averaging 13 disposals and 1 goal every 3 games. Stuffed up Lyons plan if he was out. We recently had Weller do it.
Gwilt: Good player, but sort of short and stocky and slow. Had Raph around in a similar roll. Later we got Shenton. Better off as of 2019.
Robert Eddy.Rookie drafted SAFL player. Got 5 disposals in the repeat GF.( 10 in the draw ). Was really an emergency ring in. Not as good as first year Clark.
Dempster. Great defender if not all that rebounding.

We had defenders on the bench while all the other teams rotated mids. Collingwood especially so. That's because we had no decent mids.. and cos Ross.

After the 22 we had:
McEvoy. Just as well, King was ready to retire and Gardiner only managed one game after 2010. We couldn't keep Stanley uninjured.
Armitage. Who turned out to be a decent player, have to question his early development. 4th year 9 games av16 disposals.
Clarke. Perpetually injured and really not that good when he wasn't.
Steven. Only his second year , 8 games av11 disposals.
Pattison. Him and Stanley were backup ruck, backup forward. Neither of them all that good at either roll.
Stanley. Probably not that bad at ruck or as forward. Always injured when we needed him. 4 goals in 7 games.
King. Already retired really
Miles. Got 2 games, HBF 15 possessions each time. Injury prone.
Heyne 3 games , couldn't find the ball.
Lynch 1 ineffective game. Crap development.

Walsh : went the way of most Irish Rookies. We believed in him, because you have to believe in something.
McGrath: No hope for the big ruckman.
Winmar: Had a good name. But so did Frawley and Riewoldt in 2006.
Smith : Would have thought he could have got a tagging roll but whatever. His claim to fame was annoying Acker in the VFL.
Johnson: Not close to AFL standard. Who will we draft....? How about that guy over there.
Archer : Big, but not that big, and slow. Got a game once i think.
Hutchings: Might have been a good forward if we had a forward line with more than 2 players when injury struck.
Cahill: Not a chance.
Simpkin: Too short for a "stopper" type defender. Good trier though.
Gaertner: Quit professional footy when Ross convinced him it would make him miserable.
Allen : Yeah lets have injured retired players on our list.
Lovett: yeah .....
Jesse Smith: uh yeah
L Fisher: I think he was in Europe following the tour'd france.

To do it properly we need to have a succession/backup plan for every player in the 22.

At least with our current problems Paddy ROberton , they aren't still on the list from previous years, and we were able to get Rowe/Marsh in.
( Both of who i rate higher than Adam Pattison ).
If we'd had Doulton Langlands back then he probably would have got games.
A third or our list was never going to make it.
At least Bytel has a massive upside.

If i look at the players left after the 22 that don't have long term injuries , left after our round one team.
We still have 4 of " Steven , Clark, Marshall , Long, Phillips , McKenzie , Hind , Wilkie " None of those make me cringe.
We have Brown to come back.

Others like Longer, Coffield, Acres, Austin are not to be sneezed at.
And we know there is at least some hope for King, Bytel and Hannebery.

Our list management is just so much better. A handful of real talent and we can be off.

 

[Yawkey way]

I must be missing something here. The SC system is one of the equalization measures that actually does work. The problem is the FA rules.
And so far as recruitment goes, it's because our club has been run like shit for a long time and everyone knows it. So the top players avoid us, coz their management tell them to. We are the ugly girl at the dance I'm afraid. Poor Hanners came back to our club after a big night on the pixie dust, been trying to chew his legs off ever since...

Yes the cap is a great equalisation measure, the minimum spend is garbage and a ridiculous concession to the AFLPA.

The NFL have a hard cap as well and it works because the clubs have far more power over players than the AFL has. I know people will point to the Patriots dominating the AL and the Browns constant struggles but that is really down to a mixture of greatness, luck and sheer incompetence. The patriots as per usual have lost several players in free agency to record contracts offered by struggling teams like the raiders, that is the salary cap at work without the minimum spend and other restrictions.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Yes the cap is a great equalisation measure, the minimum spend is garbage and a ridiculous concession to the AFLPA.

The NFL have a hard cap as well and it works because the clubs have far more power over players than the AFL has. I know people will point to the Patriots dominating the AL and the Browns constant struggles but that is really down to a mixture of greatness, luck and sheer incompetence. The patriots as per usual have lost several players in free agency to record contracts offered by struggling teams like the raiders, that is the salary cap at work without the minimum spend and other restrictions.

The minimum spend it part of what makes it good. It stops talanted kids like ours from leaving shit clubs like ours. And WTF does it matter? Its not the clubs money!!!

 

[Yawkey way]

The minimum spend it part of what makes it good. It stops talanted kids like ours from leaving shit clubs like ours. And WTF does it matter? Its not the clubs money!!!

Imo it takes away a potential advantage struggling clubs should have.

On exposed form we have a bunch of very average players who without the minimum spend should see us with enough cash to turn the heads of two or three A grade players. Instead Richmond can still land a Tom Lynch and offer only slightly less than we can.

As to the talented kids leaving well free agency means that people need to get used to players leaving and generally more player movement. With a hard salary cap more player movement is meant to be a good thing from an equalisation perspective.

At any rate I think we will win well this week but look out if we don’t.

 

[majortinkle]

If a player enters free agency they should have to go to the highest bidder.

They should have the option to stay if they don’t like the highest bidder

Will force more trades where players are moving purely to chase success and should pretty much level the playing field overnight

 

[borderbarry]

For the coming Draft, would the Saints be interested in young Anderson whose father finished with the Saints, so he should be a Saint supporter?

 

[St Muir]

Hawks haven't always had good times, but they have been good at planning. Not reactive.
Like the Saints they loaded up in 2001.
They had their WTF moments. Shaun Rehn for a first rounder???
We attracted good players like Hamil and Gehrig, they got players like Everett.

If anything the Saints tried to build too fast. By performing pretty well in 2003 we picked up Andrew McQualter in the 2004 draft, a draft that was slim pickings after the early round 1. The Hawks through being crap the year before and picking up an undeserved priority pick got Jarryd Roughead, and Buddy, then the Nathan Thompson trade eventually netted them Lewis.

So they then had Mitchell, Buddy, Roughead, Lewis and Hodge. This core kept them competitive
Saints tried to make some big trades and they failed.
Hawks certainly had some early draft pick busts ( Mitch Thorp , Beau Dowler ).
Tom Lynch was better than Ryan Shoenmakers.

But never a professionally organised outfit, StKilda under Lyon became a "Maximise Performance on the field at all costs" team.
It wasn't just a matter of prioritise the "now" over the future, it was ignore anything that isn't affecting us right now.
Our drafting, until then pretty much average compared to others became putrid.

Player development was crap, players like Lynch, Armitage and Steven took years to come on.


Gehrig retired. Riewoldt was great, Kosi was suspect. backup was no-existent. Apart from those three we had no talls that could be as good as Bruce, Membrey, Battle or Marshall, or even Sam Bloody Rowe. Not until McCartin did we seriously try to get a replacement for any of them. We couldn't attract any players from other clubs because the cap was a disgusting mess. ( Earliest external sign of this was Ball Leaving ).
A well planned list management, recognising the time it takes to develop talls, and the general condition of Kosi, might have drafted Jack Riewoldt in favour of Armitage. Similarly they might have recognised that Hudghton wan't getting any younger and got James Frawley.

Instead as our aging stars retired we found band-aid solutions and soldiered on.
We had our shot at the flag, but the band-aids didn't hold up.

2010:
Jason Gram, probably a similar player to Savage. 26 then. If he didn't play first emergency was probably Raph ( if fit ). Replaced by Savage.
Zac Dawson, tall spud with fast reflexes ( back then ). Used band-aids to replace him ( Delaney) until we picked up an Aging Brown.
Baker: Backline lockdown tagger. Geary performs this roll very well now.
Sam Gilbert, similar to what we saw recently from Roberton. No young ones coming through. Replaced as a tall rebounder when we got Roberton.
Jason Blake, reliable tall utility, normally played as a 3rd tall. No young ones coming through. An aging Gilbert probably replaced him until this year.
Sam Fisher, Gun CHB. Not replaced until the Carlisle trade.
Brendon Goddard. Really a bit of a tall utility player, had no-one like him coming through back then. We hoped for Siposs, maybe Acres.
Nick Dal Santo. If he couldn't play, Steven Eddy or Armo got a game. Maybe Clark will be like him.
Farren Ray. Played as an outside mid, or sometimes a tagger. Heyne played 3 games hardly touching it. No replacement until Jack Newnes
Peake. Fast serviceable outside player. We had no-one else like that back then. Miles played 2 games.
Kosi. Wasn't the best at the given roll but we only had Adam Pattison as backup for him and Riewoldt.
Montagna: The only decent backup we had for all our mids, were Armitage, Steven, Eddy and Geary.
Adam Schnieder. Small forward, we had none coming through the draft, ( Ross just played less forwards if NA ), tried with Milera, Saad, finally we got Gresh.
Riewoldt. Had no real backup ( Tom Lynch got 1 game, 3 marks 5 disposals) Only just getting a workable forward line now.
Milne : As for Schneider. We had no backup back then, Jack Steven may have played Forward. Hopefully 2 of Gresh/Parker/Lonie/Young can be like the pair.
Gardiner: Aging injury prone ruck. McEvoy the one decent player we'd drafted in recent years, no others coming through.
Hayes: The only decent backup we had for all our mids, were Armitage, Steven, Eddy and Geary.
Jones: Very good midfield tagger. We haven't really done this much since he left until recently with Steele.

McQualter: Defensive forward averaging 13 disposals and 1 goal every 3 games. Stuffed up Lyons plan if he was out. We recently had Weller do it.
Gwilt: Good player, but sort of short and stocky and slow. Had Raph around in a similar roll. Later we got Shenton. Better off as of 2019.
Robert Eddy.Rookie drafted SAFL player. Got 5 disposals in the repeat GF.( 10 in the draw ). Was really an emergency ring in. Not as good as first year Clark.
Dempster. Great defender if not all that rebounding.

We had defenders on the bench while all the other teams rotated mids. Collingwood especially so. That's because we had no decent mids.. and cos Ross.

After the 22 we had:
McEvoy. Just as well, King was ready to retire and Gardiner only managed one game after 2010. We couldn't keep Stanley uninjured.
Armitage. Who turned out to be a decent player, have to question his early development. 4th year 9 games av16 disposals.
Clarke. Perpetually injured and really not that good when he wasn't.
Steven. Only his second year , 8 games av11 disposals.
Pattison. Him and Stanley were backup ruck, backup forward. Neither of them all that good at either roll.
Stanley. Probably not that bad at ruck or as forward. Always injured when we needed him. 4 goals in 7 games.
King. Already retired really
Miles. Got 2 games, HBF 15 possessions each time. Injury prone.
Heyne 3 games , couldn't find the ball.
Lynch 1 ineffective game. Crap development.

Walsh : went the way of most Irish Rookies. We believed in him, because you have to believe in something.
McGrath: No hope for the big ruckman.
Winmar: Had a good name. But so did Frawley and Riewoldt in 2006.
Smith : Would have thought he could have got a tagging roll but whatever. His claim to fame was annoying Acker in the VFL.
Johnson: Not close to AFL standard. Who will we draft....? How about that guy over there.
Archer : Big, but not that big, and slow. Got a game once i think.
Hutchings: Might have been a good forward if we had a forward line with more than 2 players when injury struck.
Cahill: Not a chance.
Simpkin: Too short for a "stopper" type defender. Good trier though.
Gaertner: Quit professional footy when Ross convinced him it would make him miserable.
Allen : Yeah lets have injured retired players on our list.
Lovett: yeah .....
Jesse Smith: uh yeah
L Fisher: I think he was in Europe following the tour'd france.

To do it properly we need to have a succession/backup plan for every player in the 22.

At least with our current problems Paddy ROberton , they aren't still on the list from previous years, and we were able to get Rowe/Marsh in.
( Both of who i rate higher than Adam Pattison ).
If we'd had Doulton Langlands back then he probably would have got games.
A third or our list was never going to make it.
At least Bytel has a massive upside.

If i look at the players left after the 22 that don't have long term injuries , left after our round one team.
We still have 4 of " Steven , Clark, Marshall , Long, Phillips , McKenzie , Hind , Wilkie " None of those make me cringe.
We have Brown to come back.

Others like Longer, Coffield, Acres, Austin are not to be sneezed at.
And we know there is at least some hope for King, Bytel and Hannebery.

Our list management is just so much better. A handful of real talent and we can be off.

This is a great post SS. People can argue semantics but the over arching theme of your post is correct. Our current predicament has been a long time in the making. I think we have been making better decisions in recent years but our results reflect several years of poor stewardship and short term thinking.
No club is going to make the right call every time, there’s way too many variables in footy to do that but at least we now look to be working to a longer term plan that will pay off if we stick to making decisions that ensure the foundations are strong enough to build on. For me, Moorabbin symbolises that intent.

 

[gringo2011]

Hawks haven't always had good times, but they have been good at planning. Not reactive.
Like the Saints they loaded up in 2001.
They had their WTF moments. Shaun Rehn for a first rounder???
We attracted good players like Hamil and Gehrig, they got players like Everett.

If anything the Saints tried to build too fast. By performing pretty well in 2003 we picked up Andrew McQualter in the 2004 draft, a draft that was slim pickings after the early round 1. The Hawks through being crap the year before and picking up an undeserved priority pick got Jarryd Roughead, and Buddy, then the Nathan Thompson trade eventually netted them Lewis.

So they then had Mitchell, Buddy, Roughead, Lewis and Hodge. This core kept them competitive
Saints tried to make some big trades and they failed.
Hawks certainly had some early draft pick busts ( Mitch Thorp , Beau Dowler ).
Tom Lynch was better than Ryan Shoenmakers.

But never a professionally organised outfit, StKilda under Lyon became a "Maximise Performance on the field at all costs" team.
It wasn't just a matter of prioritise the "now" over the future, it was ignore anything that isn't affecting us right now.
Our drafting, until then pretty much average compared to others became putrid.

Player development was crap, players like Lynch, Armitage and Steven took years to come on.


Gehrig retired. Riewoldt was great, Kosi was suspect. backup was no-existent. Apart from those three we had no talls that could be as good as Bruce, Membrey, Battle or Marshall, or even Sam Bloody Rowe. Not until McCartin did we seriously try to get a replacement for any of them. We couldn't attract any players from other clubs because the cap was a disgusting mess. ( Earliest external sign of this was Ball Leaving ).
A well planned list management, recognising the time it takes to develop talls, and the general condition of Kosi, might have drafted Jack Riewoldt in favour of Armitage. Similarly they might have recognised that Hudghton wan't getting any younger and got James Frawley.

Instead as our aging stars retired we found band-aid solutions and soldiered on.
We had our shot at the flag, but the band-aids didn't hold up.

2010:
Jason Gram, probably a similar player to Savage. 26 then. If he didn't play first emergency was probably Raph ( if fit ). Replaced by Savage.
Zac Dawson, tall spud with fast reflexes ( back then ). Used band-aids to replace him ( Delaney) until we picked up an Aging Brown.
Baker: Backline lockdown tagger. Geary performs this roll very well now.
Sam Gilbert, similar to what we saw recently from Roberton. No young ones coming through. Replaced as a tall rebounder when we got Roberton.
Jason Blake, reliable tall utility, normally played as a 3rd tall. No young ones coming through. An aging Gilbert probably replaced him until this year.
Sam Fisher, Gun CHB. Not replaced until the Carlisle trade.
Brendon Goddard. Really a bit of a tall utility player, had no-one like him coming through back then. We hoped for Siposs, maybe Acres.
Nick Dal Santo. If he couldn't play, Steven Eddy or Armo got a game. Maybe Clark will be like him.
Farren Ray. Played as an outside mid, or sometimes a tagger. Heyne played 3 games hardly touching it. No replacement until Jack Newnes
Peake. Fast serviceable outside player. We had no-one else like that back then. Miles played 2 games.
Kosi. Wasn't the best at the given roll but we only had Adam Pattison as backup for him and Riewoldt.
Montagna: The only decent backup we had for all our mids, were Armitage, Steven, Eddy and Geary.
Adam Schnieder. Small forward, we had none coming through the draft, ( Ross just played less forwards if NA ), tried with Milera, Saad, finally we got Gresh.
Riewoldt. Had no real backup ( Tom Lynch got 1 game, 3 marks 5 disposals) Only just getting a workable forward line now.
Milne : As for Schneider. We had no backup back then, Jack Steven may have played Forward. Hopefully 2 of Gresh/Parker/Lonie/Young can be like the pair.
Gardiner: Aging injury prone ruck. McEvoy the one decent player we'd drafted in recent years, no others coming through.
Hayes: The only decent backup we had for all our mids, were Armitage, Steven, Eddy and Geary.
Jones: Very good midfield tagger. We haven't really done this much since he left until recently with Steele.

McQualter: Defensive forward averaging 13 disposals and 1 goal every 3 games. Stuffed up Lyons plan if he was out. We recently had Weller do it.
Gwilt: Good player, but sort of short and stocky and slow. Had Raph around in a similar roll. Later we got Shenton. Better off as of 2019.
Robert Eddy.Rookie drafted SAFL player. Got 5 disposals in the repeat GF.( 10 in the draw ). Was really an emergency ring in. Not as good as first year Clark.
Dempster. Great defender if not all that rebounding.

We had defenders on the bench while all the other teams rotated mids. Collingwood especially so. That's because we had no decent mids.. and cos Ross.

After the 22 we had:
McEvoy. Just as well, King was ready to retire and Gardiner only managed one game after 2010. We couldn't keep Stanley uninjured.
Armitage. Who turned out to be a decent player, have to question his early development. 4th year 9 games av16 disposals.
Clarke. Perpetually injured and really not that good when he wasn't.
Steven. Only his second year , 8 games av11 disposals.
Pattison. Him and Stanley were backup ruck, backup forward. Neither of them all that good at either roll.
Stanley. Probably not that bad at ruck or as forward. Always injured when we needed him. 4 goals in 7 games.
King. Already retired really
Miles. Got 2 games, HBF 15 possessions each time. Injury prone.
Heyne 3 games , couldn't find the ball.
Lynch 1 ineffective game. Crap development.

Walsh : went the way of most Irish Rookies. We believed in him, because you have to believe in something.
McGrath: No hope for the big ruckman.
Winmar: Had a good name. But so did Frawley and Riewoldt in 2006.
Smith : Would have thought he could have got a tagging roll but whatever. His claim to fame was annoying Acker in the VFL.
Johnson: Not close to AFL standard. Who will we draft....? How about that guy over there.
Archer : Big, but not that big, and slow. Got a game once i think.
Hutchings: Might have been a good forward if we had a forward line with more than 2 players when injury struck.
Cahill: Not a chance.
Simpkin: Too short for a "stopper" type defender. Good trier though.
Gaertner: Quit professional footy when Ross convinced him it would make him miserable.
Allen : Yeah lets have injured retired players on our list.
Lovett: yeah .....
Jesse Smith: uh yeah
L Fisher: I think he was in Europe following the tour'd france.

To do it properly we need to have a succession/backup plan for every player in the 22.

At least with our current problems Paddy ROberton , they aren't still on the list from previous years, and we were able to get Rowe/Marsh in.
( Both of who i rate higher than Adam Pattison ).
If we'd had Doulton Langlands back then he probably would have got games.
A third or our list was never going to make it.
At least Bytel has a massive upside.

If i look at the players left after the 22 that don't have long term injuries , left after our round one team.
We still have 4 of " Steven , Clark, Marshall , Long, Phillips , McKenzie , Hind , Wilkie " None of those make me cringe.
We have Brown to come back.

Others like Longer, Coffield, Acres, Austin are not to be sneezed at.
And we know there is at least some hope for King, Bytel and Hannebery.

Our list management is just so much better. A handful of real talent and we can be off.

Jessee Smith was no different to Bytel, Hanners or King, we picked up an injured player with high potential.

 

[The Boar]

Clavarino selected over Constable irritated me on the night, still not loving that decision.

Time will tell

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[SaintsSeptember]

Jessee Smith was no different to Bytel, Hanners or King, we picked up an injured player with high potential.

The difference back then was that we totally hung our hat on that pick.
At the moment it looks like our number one pick from a few years back is going to fail, its also looking like there's no drastic consequence to that.
It IS different in that Jesse Smith had been under the eyes of the medico's at North for a few years already, kind of arrogant to think we could fix it when they couldn't.
Bytel - known condition, known treatment , known risk. Hanners. Worse than expected, but Richo seemed to think time was the issue. King, known condition, known treatment.

 

[cooperrules]

Cho out marshall in

 

[plugger66]

If a player enters free agency they should have to go to the highest bidder.

They should have the option to stay if they don’t like the highest bidder

Will force more trades where players are moving purely to chase success and should pretty much level the playing field overnight

It’s fa. That’s the point.

 

[billings2paddy]

So none of the younger players get better yeh?

Not if we don't play them!!

 

[Saintbloke]

Not sure about how the club has been setting itself up for onfield success, but the handling/ development of our recruits has been erratic or just plain bad. Clark and Coff come on board last year, and look to have the right attributes, but Coff is treading water or gone slighty backwards, and both now playing VFL, though I guess Clark had a good game with Sandy yesterday, but needs to keep the form up and be consistent. Bytel and King recruited with injury issues and wont contribute this season, and Hanners may get on the field by mid season..maybe. Could we have done better?

 

[plugger66]

Not sure about how the club has been setting itself up for onfield success, but the handling/ development of our recruits has been erratic or just plain bad. Clark and Coff come on board last year, and look to have the right attributes, but Coff is treading water or gone slighty backwards, and both now playing VFL, though I guess Clark had a good game with Sandy yesterday, but needs to keep the form up and be consistent. Bytel and King recruited with injury issues and wont contribute this season, and Hanners may get on the field by mid season..maybe. Could we have done better?

Well they got both King and Bytel cheap because of their injury issues. Same with Hanners pick wise. We will know more next year. Coff and Clark are going ok. There is no correct way of giving kids experience. Joey and Steven didn't play a lot early and Dunstan did. Im sure there are many examples to support what ever way you think is best to treat kids.

 

[Saintbloke]

I probably would have expected Clark to be in the senior team for the first game, as to me that is the best form of development for a younger player who has games under his belt already, but let's see how the guys perform today.

 

[DGontheQT]

Is it too early for Max to start breeding?
Maybe we could have a stud room somewhere out the back at the club.
Like the smoosh room with the double bed in the Jersey Shore house?

Essendon may be one step ahead in that regard. Essendon may already have their players signed up as Sperm Donors (to benefit from f/s rule)
as I heard their team is full of w***ers.

 

[Saintos The ITK]

Trouble with fa is the clubs below the destination team and above the donor pay for the destination teams benefit.
Must be another way rather than compo picks.
Perhaps negative compo for the destination team and extra salary cap for the donor team?

 

[gringo2011]

Not sure about how the club has been setting itself up for onfield success, but the handling/ development of our recruits has been erratic or just plain bad. Clark and Coff come on board last year, and look to have the right attributes, but Coff is treading water or gone slighty backwards, and both now playing VFL, though I guess Clark had a good game with Sandy yesterday, but needs to keep the form up and be consistent. Bytel and King recruited with injury issues and wont contribute this season, and Hanners may get on the field by mid season..maybe. Could we have done better?

If you hear the players the second year ramps up the training intensity, some say they just train and sleep. Some can obviously take it in their stride and some find it hard to keep up. Second year blues can be second year burn out.

 

[Mighty_sainter]

Noah Anderson 4.2 and 28 possessions in oakleighs win yesterday as a midfielder resting forward in round 1. Looks like an absolute brute. Top 5 pick possibly top 3.

 

[gringo2011]

Noah Anderson 4.2 and 28 possessions in oakleighs win yesterday as a midfielder resting forward in round 1. Looks like an absolute brute. Top 5 pick possibly top 3.

Dean must have only just missed 100 games for us too. How ****ing shit is our luck.