List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[gringo2011]

I can't see them going after anymore B graders after what has happened this year.

They already have Dom Tyson.

Dunny is worse than Tyson.

 

[bird_man]

Dunny is worse than Tyson.

That's the point, why would they want Dunstan?

Unfortunately he's worth more to us as depth at this stage.

 

[Keg on legs]

The issue we have (and have had for a few years now) is we don't have the quality to trade out for really early picks. Well, at least anyone would even slightly entertain trading anyway.

So the only guys we would trade out aren't worth enough to warrant trading them (eg a late 3rd for Dunstan- he's better keeping for depth)

So our only real hope is picking quality with our 1st rounders who we know will take a few years to have impact, or getting a FA in. Problem is, what star FA would want to come to us with our absence of other stars?

Seems a bit of a catch 22.

Having said that, we are doing very very well for where our list sits talent wise, so externally people will admire that about us. Whether that's enough of a selling point, time will tell

 

[VDS66]

What if we don't? Wasted Stanley, largely lost on Mc Evoy, downgrade from Lynch, downgrade from Cripps etc. Good clubs keep top talent and build on the pool. Shit clubs sell the cream dreaming of multiplying it in a gamble.

OK.

How was your lie down?

You remind me of those little jack in the box toys.

Now call me crazy, but I doubt the club would shuffle him off for a draft pick.

It's not like we traded pick 4 for Dan...

 

[plugger66]

What if we don't? Wasted Stanley, largely lost on Mc Evoy, downgrade from Lynch, downgrade from Cripps etc. Good clubs keep top talent and build on the pool. Shit clubs sell the cream dreaming of multiplying it in a gamble.

Didn’t we get membery Steele Bruce from other clubs for stuff all.

 

[gringo2011]

Besides the team improvement this year, I still think our midfield is average.

So we have to do something drastic if we want to improve the situation.

Right now, I'm.nit convinced all of our current group will make it.

So you either draft for long term, keep recruiting bottom 12 players or so something drastic and pay the price for the player you want.

Hence my supposition earlier today.

You have to cut the shit players and add to what you have, Geelong didn't trade guns to bring in guns, the Hawks generally only trade picks for guns or average players. Burton is the only player of any value they have sold and he's not quite as good as projected.

If you take Dunstan out and replace him with a top 10 player you improve you side, take out a top 4 player for a gamble and maybe you could get another Harvey but maybe you get Dunny, especially if you think he's worth around what Dunny cost.

Considering our form at drafting it has probably almost a guaranteed worse outcome.

 

[VDS66]

Didn’t we get membery Steele Bruce from other clubs for stuff all.

That doesn't count...

 

[gringo2011]

OK.

How was your lie down?

You remind me of those little jack in the box toys.

Now call me crazy, but I doubt the club would shuffle him off for a draft pick.

It's not like we traded pick 4 for Dan...

You seem to be enjoying your fishing but I'm just commenting on your dumb suppositions. If you troll, expect what you get.

We should just merge with north and move to Tasmania by the way. They are never going to get it together.

 

[gringo2011]

Didn’t we get membery Steele Bruce from other clubs for stuff all.

So what? we are talking about trading Ross for a second rounder, you go to bed and let the grown ups talk.

 

[gringo2011]

The issue we have (and have had for a few years now) is we don't have the quality to trade out for really early picks. Well, at least anyone would even slightly entertain trading anyway.

So the only guys we would trade out aren't worth enough to warrant trading them (eg a late 3rd for Dunstan- he's better keeping for depth)

So our only real hope is picking quality with our 1st rounders who we know will take a few years to have impact, or getting a FA in. Problem is, what star FA would want to come to us with our absence of other stars?

Seems a bit of a catch 22.

Having said that, we are doing very very well for where our list sits talent wise, so externally people will admire that about us. Whether that's enough of a selling point, time will tell

I'm really hoping last year wasn't arseing it from Libba, he did well from later picks. Geelong and Hawks get quality from late picks and use high picks to get quality trades done.

 

[plugger66]

So what? we are talking about trading Ross for a second rounder, you go to bed and let the grown ups talk.

Here is me thinking you said good clubs keep top talent. Maybe they weren’t when they left but they are now top talent just as lynch and Cripps are now. By the way you mentioned them as well.

 

[VDS66]

You have to cut the shit players and add to what you have, Geelong didn't trade guns to bring in guns, the Hawks generally only trade picks for guns or average players. Burton is the only player of any value they have sold and he's not quite as good as projected.

If you take Dunstan out and replace him with a top 10 player you improve you side, take out a top 4 player for a gamble and maybe you could get another Harvey but maybe you get Dunny, especially if you think he's worth around what Dunny cost.

Considering our form at drafting it has probably almost a guaranteed worse outcome.

Who is saying to gamble?

Ross is OK as a 5th mid IMO. Pure and simple. I'd have him as B grade at very best.

The fact that he won the bnf last year means sfa given how shit we were.

So yeah, if we had him up in a trade for an elite mid, I'd roll the dice, start the car and drive him to his new destination personally.

We have plenty of our list who will reach his level and are better kicks IMO.

Never said you trade him for a pick.

Suggest you read things before winding yourself up.

We need more match winners and not 5th mids.

If you can show me an easy way to do this, I'm all ears.

 

[VDS66]

You seem to be enjoying your fishing but I'm just commenting on your dumb suppositions. If you troll, expect what you get.

We should just merge with north and move to Tasmania by the way. They are never going to get it together.

Who was trolling?

I was putting my views put there. If you think it's dumb then that's your call.

So we can't have a discussion unless we are carrying on like 5 year olds? Really?

This from the bloke that carried on because we were going to trade pick 4 for Hanners.

Please do explain why I'm trolling?

You're pretty quick with insults today.

 

[VDS66]

So what? we are talking about trading Ross for a second rounder, you go to bed and let the grown ups talk.

Fmd I said I think he's worth a second IMO.

Someone asked what values I put on the three players I suggested. And I did.

Never did I say we should trade him for a 2nd.

Go back, read it properly and stop acting like a dick.

 

[bird_man]

I'm not sure why we have to trade anyone out? Seems like we are looking to do it just for the sake of it.

 

[VDS66]

So what? we are talking about trading Ross for a second rounder, you go to bed and let the grown ups talk.

Harsh dude. His point was that it's swings and roundabouts. Acknowledge the shit, acknowledge the gold.

 

[gringo2011]

Who is saying to gamble?

Ross is OK as a 5th mid IMO. Pure and simple. I'd have him as B grade at very best.

The fact that he won the bnf last year means sfa given how shit we were.

So yeah, if we had him up in a trade for an elite mid, I'd roll the dice, start the car and drive him to his new destination personally.

We have plenty of our list who will reach his level and are better kicks IMO.

Never said you trade him for a pick.

Suggest you read things before winding yourself up.

We need more match winners and not 5th mids.

If you can show me an easy way to do this, I'm all ears.

Who's wound up? I would think you would need to come up with something better than fantasy trades to do that. Ross is 16 in the AFL for fantasy scores this year, he outside but he's an extremely good player. He's quiet and unassuming but is getting better. You don't rate him that's fine, you are obviously not much of a follower of the game.

Sometimes we don't notice one of our own getting better in front of us. Some called him wrong and can't get over it. If someone else had called for the trade of one of our better players you would have used your step ladder to scale your high horse and gone on in your special version of moral outrage. Because you want to fish when your bored you jump around trying to get a rise that you can't achieve. You'll have to go on twitter and troll Trump supporters or something.

 

[George]

I'm not sure why we have to trade anyone out? Seems like we are looking to do it just for the sake of it.

We need wholesale change because we lost on the weekend.

 

[Mowman]

I'm not sure why we have to trade anyone out? Seems like we are looking to do it just for the sake of it.

Need more tall forwards

 

[VDS66]

I'm not sure why we have to trade anyone out? Seems like we are looking to do it just for the sake of it.

Not at all, but so you honestly think we a midfield that can contend?

I don't. And as much as I love each player that pulls on the jumper, I am far from convinced about the current group.

If they continue on this trajectory, then great. If not, you look to improve the list by whatever means possible.

I see no reason why we can't have a mature discussion about it, but I'm obviously wrong on that one.

 

[gringo2011]

Talking of positive things, I noticed today that our boy Battle leads the fantasy scores for all rising stars ahead of guys like Rozee, Smith and Walsh.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_rising_stars_round_performances?sby=14&year=2019&round=6

 

[DGontheQT]

Given Parker was Pick 47 and is playing well , and Hind Pick 54 and on the verge of selection , it's fair to say the latter part of the 2018 Draft , was a success for the club. Even if Young ( a late 60's pick ) flops.
Having to wait so long to see Max King and Jack Bytel play is killing me , as it's not only their talent I want to have a look at , but it will be a great indicator of how good Libba is , especially in Bytel's case.
Gut feeling is he's way better than Trout.

 

[gringo2011]

Given Parker was Pick 47 and is playing well , and Hind Pick 54 and on the verge of selection , it's fair to say the latter part of the 2018 Draft , was a success for the club. Even if Young ( a late 60's pick ) flops.
Having to wait so long to see Max King and Jack Bytel play is killing me , as it's not only their talent I want to have a look at , but it will be a great indicator of how good Libba is , especially in Bytel's case.
Gut feeling is he's way better than Trout.

So far he's going well, touch wood.

 

[VDS66]

Who's acting like a dick, that's my best behaviour, you are trying to fish and acting morally outraged when you get the inkling of a response. It's actually kind of sad.

Frankly I'm dissapointed if you think that way. If you thinking I'm fishing, you are so wrong there brother.

I thought you were a better than that, obviously wrong.

You've been very good on the personal insults today.

So just **** off and don't reply to my posts in future.

 

[bird_man]

Not at all, but so you honestly think we a midfield that can contend?

I don't. And as much as I love each player that pulls on the jumper, I am far from convinced about the current group.

If they continue on this trajectory, then great. If not, you look to improve the list by whatever means possible.

I see no reason why we can't have a mature discussion about it, but I'm obviously wrong on that one.

Not sure what was immature about my question.

I don't see the point in trading out our best mids when we need to improve our midfield and I don't think we'd get anything worth while for the guys playing VFL.

We've got a mid developing nicely in the VFL and we've got one that will hopefully recover well from back surgery.

We then have a first round pick this year and next we can either use to take a mid or to trade one in.

We've shown last year that there is plenty of quality at the back end of the draft.

Unless we have a surplus of needs I just don't see the point in trading players out. I finally feel like we are building a bit of depth.