2019 Trade thread

[Clarkythelion]

Voss was a poor coach and was given carte blanche when he took over from leave. How lost management decisions were about as bad as possible. Well known that he wouldn’t engage with the younger players or anyone not in the 22 for the weekend.

I don't think Vossy had carte blanche, more the reality he was the only poor bugger there, he was a young, first time coach with no support. 1 laptop to the whole coaching team, he had to do everything and had next to no support. If you look across the board now the young first time coaches brought in have served their time learning the trade. Yes, Vossy still accepted the job when he should have done his time at the West Coash Eagles as an assistant. The club was broke, had nothing, they were running on a shoe string and did what they thought was right - it was wrong. All reports now is Vossy is a very good coach having been promoted at Port when the other assistants have been moved on. History is history, lots of bad decisions were made but Vossy will be a coach again and a very good one.

 

[lioninthesand]

A huge no from me for Grant Birchall, 32 before next season and only played 8 games over the last 2 years, go with our department of youth.

I have thought about this. I know he wants to get into coaching. Fagan is really close with him, I can only assume he really rates him and wants to fill that player / coach role within the list for a year or two? Perhaps he doesn't mind if he plays or not, happy to have an on field coach in the NEAFL or at AFL level and if he is injured he becomes another assistant coach. I know he valued Hodge being a conduit to the psyche of the playing group. Then, potentially.. I would imagine, we would have him and Hodge establish them selves as assistant coaches together? Him and Hodge are very close, there has to be more at play here. It is surely a 'bigger picture' acquisition. Maybe Hodge has been in his ear about how great the lifestyle is. I am convinced it;s more about his character, coaching and experience than strictly his playing ability.

 

[lioninthesand]

Larkins isn't Daniher's doctor though as far as I'm aware (I definitely hope he's not if he's out commenting on Daniher's procedures). His comments in the media are basically those of a pundit more relevantly educated - he's relying on the same rumours and conjecture for a base as everyone else.

I don't see why Sydney would be pushing rumours to get him cheap though, as they will be dealing with a party, Essendon, who would be fully aware of any medical situation given they're Daniher's current club. It's not like Sydney can lever rumours when Essendon can just point to the facts to dispute it.

Larkins and Bruce Reed share a practice. He knows exactly what procedure JoDan has had, its no secret in footy circles what players have done. He had a very complicated surgery that replaces inflamed groin tissue with mesh. It is a rare surgery only done by professional sports people and it usually works (did for Buddy and Luke Ball) but... It didn't for JoDan. The only next option, as far as he is aware, is to fuse bone on bone and take the groin tendon out of the equation. Not good at all. I wouldn't want him even if he wanted to come to Brissy TBH, sounds like nasty shit..t hey already rolled the dice, now there is not many options left but to play through pain.

 

[Tom14]

Talk of Sydney giving up picks 5 and 9 for Daniher is insane. Obscene overpayment given his injury history.

 

[lionsrules]

Talk of Sydney giving up picks 5 and 9 for Daniher is insane. Obscene overpayment given his injury history.

Going to be a long rebuild for them.

 

[Gadzorks]

Larkins and Bruce Reed share a practice. He knows exactly what procedure JoDan has had, its no secret in footy circles what players have done. He had a very complicated surgery that replaces inflamed groin tissue with mesh. It is a rare surgery only done by professional sports people and it usually works (did for Buddy and Luke Ball) but... It didn't for JoDan. The only next option, as far as he is aware, is to fuse bone on bone and take the groin tendon out of the equation. Not good at all. I wouldn't want him even if he wanted to come to Brissy TBH, sounds like nasty s**t..t hey already rolled the dice, now there is not many options left but to play through pain.

I know they used surgical mesh for women who had problems after giving birth but it's now banned due to it creating even more problems and chronic pain over the longer term (my mother in law experienced this). Wonder if Daniher's surgery has similar risks, or even greater due to the demands of professional sport.

There's a lot of life left after footy when the glory days become memories, and living with chronic pain is tough.

Wonder if clubs will ever cop a whack from retired players who underwent radical surgery to keep playing when in reality they should have retired.

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

Talk of Sydney giving up picks 5 and 9 for Daniher is insane. Obscene overpayment given his injury history.

Agreed, unless there's something good coming back.
Edit: something extraordinarily good coming back.

 

[Jubair]

Talk of Sydney giving up picks 5 and 9 for Daniher is insane. Obscene overpayment given his injury history.

He is going to be 26 at the start of next year so he isn't too young and with a history of not putting together consistent seasons. That'd be paying way overs. He is quality but not for that realistically.

 

[Cockliff38]

If we didn’t have to negotiate with Essendon I’d be all for Daniher.*

*assuming our medical team ticks it off

 

[Ironmonger]

I'm feeling pretty good about a low key trade period for us. If we add Ellis-Yolman and Ah Chee, and move on players outside the best 22 like Taylor and Cutler, that'll be just fine.

We had a great season, but it's not totally clear how close we are to a flag. I reckon we'll have a better idea at the end of 2020 and can make some bigger moves then.

 

[jjami15]

I'm feeling pretty good about a low key trade period for us. If we add Ellis-Yolman and Ah Chee, and move on players outside the best 22 like Taylor and Cutler, that'll be just fine.

We had a great season, but it's not totally clear how close we are to a flag. I reckon we'll have a better idea at the end of 2020 and can make some bigger moves then.

Agree, I think the club is trying to get as much talent in as possible as well as rectifying any holes on the list. They would be hoping for some of last couple of years draftees to step up as well IMO. Never know but they might also be clearing the decks a little to make a big play next year as a lot of the ground work is done a couple of years out.

 

[Bucking Beads]

I'm feeling pretty good about a low key trade period for us. If we add Ellis-Yolman and Ah Chee, and move on players outside the best 22 like Taylor and Cutler, that'll be just fine.

We had a great season, but it's not totally clear how close we are to a flag. I reckon we'll have a better idea at the end of 2020 and can make some bigger moves then.

Spot on. Our improvement needs to come from development of our young players. Berry, Bailey, McLuggage, Hipwood, Rayner, Answerth needs to take the next step in 2020.

 

[Fagenslions36]

Ritchmond to get end of first round pick for Ellis likely our pick 19 is getting smashed atm back to 22 .

 

[lionsrules]

Been in Adelaide the last few days for work. Some of my HNW clients who are crows supporters and close to the board have all been mentioning Smith To Brisbane. Despite the fact the latest news from the horse's mouth is contrary, they said its still on the cards. Anyone hearing anything more from our side?

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

If we are into Smith and/or Burchall, and having targeted CEY and Ah Chee, it would indicate to me that the coaches are priming us for next year or 2021 at the latest. Bearing in mind by the start of the 2021 season Stef may well be gone without an obvious replacement, Burchall will be older than Methuselah, Zorko will be 32, Rich and Robbo 31, Lyons and Smith 29 and Neale, Adams and CEY 28.

 

[lionsrules]

I am all for this Smith talk. I hope it happens. By the time this trade period is over there will be lots of catch ups between ex crow players in SEQ.

 

[Cooties]

My gut feel for Daniher was an early second round pick just because of the huge risk. I'd be running far away at two first round picks - but that seems to be the general reaction anyway.

 

[SonnyBoy1]

Dogs have apparently called Brisbane about Cedrick Cox

Please take him.

 

[KissKiss]

Ritchmond to get end of first round pick for Ellis likely our pick 19 is getting smashed atm back to 22 .

Would be surprised by that. Not sure GC would (should?) be paying him anything near would triggers band 1 compo

 

[Dalions]

Would be surprised by that. Not sure GC would (should?) be paying him anything near would triggers band 1 compo

Is Band 2 - start of second round?
Because it may end up there? Probably mainly due to the 5yr term rather than the money.
Which would currently be just after GC second round compo at pick 21 sliding us back to 22 anyway.

 

[dlanod]

Is Band 2 - start of second round?
Because it may end up there? Probably mainly due to the 5yr term rather than the money.
Which would currently be just after GC second round compo at pick 21 sliding us back to 22 anyway.

Band 1 (after your first round pick) and Band 2 (after the first round) are the same for premiers, so both would be pick 20 before GC's first priority pick.

 

[lioninthesand]

I know they used surgical mesh for women who had problems after giving birth but it's now banned due to it creating even more problems and chronic pain over the longer term (my mother in law experienced this). Wonder if Daniher's surgery has similar risks, or even greater due to the demands of professional sport.

There's a lot of life left after footy when the glory days become memories, and living with chronic pain is tough.

Wonder if clubs will ever cop a whack from retired players who underwent radical surgery to keep playing when in reality they should have retired.

It was really interesting listening to Larkins talk about it. Apparently with OP, the reason it's so chronic is is causes mini fractures in the Pelvic bone around the tendon that's inflamed and carrying the load. This has happened in Joe's case. That's why physio etc doesn't work as much. The other thing with Joe is, he has knee issues too.

To add to your point, yep - its a very rare and risky surgery that they wouldn't do with an average person with sore groins. High risk, moderate reward. it sounds like he is in a bad spot given the first option hasn't worked.

 

[M Malice]

With someone from the Suns(I can't recall who) on Trade Radio yesterday saying the Ah Chee to the Lions move should be a simple trade and done early you would assume a deal has already been agreed on. What's the feeling on what/should we be giving up for him? Either one of our current picks 34 or 44 should be plenty? Or does a player swap make sense eg. one of Keays/C.Lyons/Cutler for Ah Chee.

 

[BRAB]

With someone from the Suns(I can't recall who) on Trade Radio yesterday saying the Ah Chee to the Lions move should be a simple trade and done early you would assume a deal has already been agreed on. What's the feeling on what/should we be giving up for him? Either one of our current picks 34 or 44 should be plenty? Or does a player swap make sense eg. one of Keays/C.Lyons/Cutler for Ah Chee.

Reckon it'll get done early for pick 32.

Suns don't have any picks between 20 and 50+ so will need that pick quickly to sort out the Greenwood deal.

 

[Dalions]

With someone from the Suns(I can't recall who) on Trade Radio yesterday saying the Ah Chee to the Lions move should be a simple trade and done early you would assume a deal has already been agreed on. What's the feeling on what/should we be giving up for him? Either one of our current picks 34 or 44 should be plenty? Or does a player swap make sense eg. one of Keays/C.Lyons/Cutler for Ah Chee.

There has been talk about one of those 2 picks, but who knows really?
It’s trade week, anything can happen.
We will want to give up 44 and they will want 34. To and fro, so and so!