2019 Trade thread

[Fitzroy bears]

Witho is officially the new whipping boy - LOOK OUT!

He might move quicker with whips cracking be hind him lol


That's a joke btw...... I know there are a few on here who are bit sensitive about Witho

 

[Dalions]

Is Lewy Taylor worth anything less than AhChee?
On exposed form, I would think that Lewy’s value should be higher than AhChee so maybe we wait to see what we can get from Sydney before committing to a figure on AhChee?
If Sydney get 31 from The Bombers as part of the deal for Daniher then maybe they can on trade that to us? Or they currently have 25?
Either way, I don’t think we will pay 21 for AhChee but we may need to come up with something just a little better than 34?

 

[Clarkythelion]

Yeah ,what I meant by that is that he as yet hasn't learn how to use it and inject physicality into his game on what I've seen but I didn't see many of the NEAFL games in full. But I guess it'll come.

you can watch any of them on Youtube they are all live now on NEAFL TV, some don't have any commentary but most of the Lions do given their performances this year.

 

[jjami15]

Dodongo read we can because we didn't know what the pick was going to be and/or prority picks have changed its position.

I find our system a bit of a laughing stock really. It’s done ‘on the fly’ as who is going to know in a years time if future picks will be used again with the same team. It’s an absolute joke. Don’t even get me started on St Kilda openly coming out and saying we are targeting Ben King and have been communication with him already. There needs to be some solid anti-tampering rules especially if their not going to grow some balls and extend new draftees contract length at least out to 3 years. I love our game and club but feel the competition is run by a pack of monkeys.

 

[BrizzyBandit]

Is AhChee comfortably in the GC's 22? Who would be push out in ours now we have Grant from Hawthorn

 

[Lace Out]

What is the size and length of the contract on the table for Ah Chee from GC ? That may indicate what he is worth pick wise.

 

[Eons]

What is the size and length of the contract on the table for Ah Chee from GC ? That may indicate what he is worth pick wise.

Reported as 4 years, no idea about the size.

 

[Keays2myBeamas]

Am I the only one a bit concerned with how nonchalantly we seem to be letting go of our newly found depth?

Bastinac for starters.
The bloke has 164 games xp, played in 4 finals. Great depth. Noble cited the fact that inexperience in finals was a big consideration in taking Birchall.
What if Lyons or McCluggage goes down late in the year? Are Corey Lyons and Starcevich going to come in and play at the level Bastinac could under finals pressure? Why not hold onto him for 2 more years on the rookie list? Costs us nothing.

Christensen. We’re going to delist a fringe 22 player at prime age, with 9 games of finals xp, going into a potential flag window, just to get one more pick in the draft (pick 60+ probably).

Lewis Taylor, Robertson and Cutler as well. I know Cutler cited a family reason to move back to Vic, but let’s be fair - he wants to get on the park and doesn’t think we offered enough. Now they’ve put their name on the market they may have received a reality check as to what they’re worth. If Sydney/Essendon/Fremantle are offering them 150k contracts and a pick 60 trade - let’s match that contract and ask them to stay here.

We need to put our premiership 2020 caps on. Pick 55, 91 and 109 is not going to deliver a flag in this window, or the next.

Having decent quality, mature aged, experienced depth will.

 

[Lace Out]

Reported as 4 years, no idea about the size.

Yes I think we have offered 4 years but was more interested in what contract GC has offered him to stay

 

[Lace Out]

Am I the only one a bit concerned with how nonchalantly we seem to be letting go of our newly found depth?

Bastinac for starters.
The bloke has 164 games xp, played in 4 finals. Great depth. Noble cited the fact that inexperience in finals was a big consideration in taking Birchall.
What if Lyons or McCluggage goes down late in the year? Are Corey Lyons and Starcevich going to come in and play at the level Bastinac could under finals pressure? Why not hold onto him for 2 more years on the rookie list? Costs us nothing.

Christensen. We’re going to delist a fringe 22 player at prime age, with 9 games of finals xp, going into a potential flag window, just to get one more pick in the draft (pick 60+ probably).

Lewis Taylor, Robertson and Cutler as well. I know Cutler cited a family reason to move back to Vic, but let’s be fair - he wants to get on the park and doesn’t think we offered enough. Now they’ve put their name on the market they may have received a reality check as to what they’re worth. If Sydney/Essendon/Fremantle are offering them 150k contracts and a pick 60 trade - let’s match that contract and ask them to stay here.

We need to put our premiership 2020 caps on. Pick 55, 91 and 109 is not going to deliver a flag in this window, or the next.

Having decent quality, mature aged, experienced depth will.

I think basically we had too many players on 400k that couldn’t get a game

 

[Chezz]

I'd like us to offer up pick 21 for Aiden Bonar. Only 20, going to be a gun as an inside-mid. Gws want a pick inside 30 for him. Given we've identified we have a problem with the big inside mids and signed Ellis-Yolmen, can't believe we wouldn't be at least enquiring.

 

[dlanod]

I'd like us to offer up pick 21 for Aiden Bonar. Only 20, going to be a gun as an inside-mid. Gws want a pick inside 30 for him. Given we've identified we have a problem with the big inside mids and signed Ellis-Yolmen, can't believe we wouldn't be at least enquiring.

He's had a few issues in the senior games I've seen:

1. Defensive running has been poor. Sometimes it seems to click but more often he's only going one way.
2. His engine is a bit lacking.
3. As a result of those two he's getting pigeonholed into a high forward role which doesn't suit his strengths (body size, quick hands) as more of an inside mid.

I wouldn't mind seeing if we can clean him up but teams picking over GWS's scraps haven't historically had a good return on investment. Their drafting has been questionable but their player development seems solid - if the player looks the goods at GWS (Shiel, Treloar, Adams, Smith, Lobb, Wilson) they will probably keep it up but if they don't chances are they're not going to elsewhere (Jaksch, O'Rourke, etc) and sometimes even if they did look the goods (McCarthy).

 

[jjami15]

$3mil for Dougal Howard

 

[countryVicLion]

Am I the only one a bit concerned with how nonchalantly we seem to be letting go of our newly found depth?

Bastinac for starters.
The bloke has 164 games xp, played in 4 finals. Great depth. Noble cited the fact that inexperience in finals was a big consideration in taking Birchall.
What if Lyons or McCluggage goes down late in the year? Are Corey Lyons and Starcevich going to come in and play at the level Bastinac could under finals pressure? Why not hold onto him for 2 more years on the rookie list? Costs us nothing.

Christensen. We’re going to delist a fringe 22 player at prime age, with 9 games of finals xp, going into a potential flag window, just to get one more pick in the draft (pick 60+ probably).

Lewis Taylor, Robertson and Cutler as well. I know Cutler cited a family reason to move back to Vic, but let’s be fair - he wants to get on the park and doesn’t think we offered enough. Now they’ve put their name on the market they may have received a reality check as to what they’re worth. If Sydney/Essendon/Fremantle are offering them 150k contracts and a pick 60 trade - let’s match that contract and ask them to stay here.

We need to put our premiership 2020 caps on. Pick 55, 91 and 109 is not going to deliver a flag in this window, or the next.

Having decent quality, mature aged, experienced depth will.

It’s part of the cycle you need to draft each year, yes I understand your thinking but you can hang onto these guys to long, it’s a delicate balance. Let’s turn it around who do you let go of instead younger guys without exposure to Seniors yet? that may be a future premiership player in best 22 each week. Each year their is hard luck stories but it’s part of the AFL business you have to take your chance when it’s there.


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[BangyBangy]

$3mil for Dougal Howard

All of these players requesting trades to St Kilda has raised a few questions in my mind.

1. What's the appeal of going to St Kilda?
2. Why would you want to go to Sk Kilda?
3. Why do these players want to play for St Kilda?

 

[Mighty Lions]

Witho is officially the new whipping boy - LOOK OUT!

Naaahhh… anybody other than Bezza or Clugg are open to be the whipping boy at any given time of the year.

 

[Mighty Lions]

He won't get faster, that doesen't happen.

Disagree. Witho spending time with a running coach who can change his running style would make him a better runner for sure. His broken leg just before he was drafted has hampered his running IMO. A coach to help him stop running into the ground rather than on top of the ground would be a huge help.

 

[werdna78]

All of these players requesting trades to St Kilda has raised a few questions in my mind.

1. What's the appeal of going to St Kilda?
2. Why would you want to go to Sk Kilda?
3. Why do these players want to play for St Kilda?

Money. They probably have more cap space and can afford to pay overs.

IMO a player who isn't good enough to crack a premiership window team, will chase the money or closer to family,

Premierships, money and family are all valued differently by players. If you can't get close to choice A you look at B and C.

 

[Dalions]

I think basically we had too many players on 400k that couldn’t get a game

Plus with Bastinac, what we have seen from him at Senior level is all where gonna get. Which really isn’t much!

 

[Fagenslions36]

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Disagree. Witho spending time with a running coach who can change his running style would make him a better runner for sure. His broken leg just before he was drafted has hampered his running IMO. A coach to help him stop running into the ground rather than on top of the ground would be a huge help.

Speed is all down to genetic factors number or fast and slow twitch fibres . Witho has too many of the later. Ben Cousins also sought out a running coach when he was very young but he had a bit more genetically to work with then what witho does in my opinion . Does that mean he can’t be a gun player absolutely not but people who think he is going to move into the midfield I think will be disappointed .

 

[Fagenslions36]

Money. They probably have more cap space and can afford to pay overs.

IMO a player who isn't good enough to crack a premiership window team, they will chase the money.

Premierships, money and family are all valued differently by players. If you can't get close to choice A you look at B and C.

Just don’t know how they are going to do all these trades seems impossible . They want to keep next years first for Ben king to

 

[Dalions]

Naaahhh… anybody other than Bezza or Clugg are open to be the whipping boy at any given time of the year.

Bez has copped it at times this year.
Which has been very harsh with the year he has had.

 

[lioninthesand]

Disagree. Witho spending time with a running coach who can change his running style would make him a better runner for sure. His broken leg just before he was drafted has hampered his running IMO. A coach to help him stop running into the ground rather than on top of the ground would be a huge help.

It's worth a try.

 

[lioninthesand]

Naaahhh… anybody other than Bezza or Clugg are open to be the whipping boy at any given time of the year.

People are lining up to replace Nick Robbo. LOL

 

[ZoBlitz]

All of these players requesting trades to St Kilda has raised a few questions in my mind.

1. What's the appeal of going to St Kilda?
2. Why would you want to go to Sk Kilda?
3. Why do these players want to play for St Kilda?

Gubby is over there now so I'd imagine that the offers are too much for too many years. They'll have a salary cap reckoning in a few years.