2019 Trade thread

[Nunez]

Think he probably ends up at St Kilda, as the pod in question mentioned.

Personally I’d back in Ely Smith to be better than Constable in the long term.

Me too. 41 touches on paper is impressive, but it's easy to forget that was in a 100 point win against an incredibly weak opponent.

 

[James North]

Me too. 41 touches on paper is impressive, but it's easy to forget that was in a 100 point win against an incredibly weak opponent.

Similar to why nobody in our NEAFL team is realistically pushing for selection.

 

[Dalions]

Similar to why nobody in our NEAFL team is realistically pushing for selection.

There are a few boys in the NEAFL that are pushing, but the seniors just keep winning and all playing well.

 

[briztoon]

There are a few boys in the NEAFL that are pushing, but the seniors just keep winning and all playing well.

And not getting i****ed either.

*Touch wood*

 

[davemc_lions]

Not sure we need depth. Have a bit of depth in NEAFL
There are only a few in our senior team that not cemented.
Although cement almost dry..
So who do you think gets dislodged?
Not going to say no to Coniglio or the like.
I also not be upset to get Roughy up as a rookie and have him help our forwards in the NEAFL as a playing coach.

10 weeks ago I say we needed
A speedy HB lock down player: Answerth stepped up.
Wing: Mitch Robbo stepped up
Forward tall: We gone various goal kickers then just McStay/Hippy being focal points
Midfield depth: Bailey, Linc, Rayner getting more mid time
Zorko mk2 mid pressure: Berry growing into that role.

Back: Hodge, Witho, Rich, Adams, Andrews, Gardiner
Forwards: Hippy, McStay, Charlie, Linc, Big O and Rayner
Mids/wings.. Berry, Martin. Clugga, Zorko, Lyons, Robbo, Neale.
Answerth and Bailey are the future.
Bundy playing his role well since back in.
If Hodge plays on he keeps Lester out.

Long term Martin, Hodge, Robbo got a few years left.

 

[briztoon]

I believe you need to continually be adding depth to your list.

Trading is obviously more about adding potential best 22 talent, rather than depth.

Ideally I’d like to see another classy mid added, to compliment McCluggage.

Another general defender to add to the mix would be good. Not necessarily a Hodge replacement. I do worry about Gardiner’s banged up body.

Another ruck similar to Martin who can play around the ground.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Not sure we need depth. Have a bit of depth in NEAFL
There are only a few in our senior team that not cemented.
Although cement almost dry..
So who do you think gets dislodged?

I agree we don't need depth. As for who gets dislodged, in terms of pure performance you'd think Hodge (and subsequently Lester) and Christensen are the players we can improve upon. Not that they're bad, they've been excellent this season and bring a lot of experience and leadership. But Hodge realistically has a maximum of one more season left and there are more damaging players than Christensen out there.

 

[davemc_lions]

I agree we don't need depth. As for who gets dislodged, in terms of pure performance you'd think Hodge (and subsequently Lester) and Christensen are the players we can improve upon. Not that they're bad, they've been excellent this season and bring a lot of experience and leadership. But Hodge realistically has a maximum of one more season left and there are more damaging players than Christensen out there.

I agree get in replacements for older players...
Although is that trade vs draft? Do we not already have a player coming through or depth?

I see a trade is someone who we think is 22 now and dislodges a player.
Round 21 2018 side against last weeks side. 7 changes only from a side that won 5 games last year.

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Trades all 4 in senior 22:
Neale - Beams
Lyons - Matho
McCarthy - Taylor
Adams - Walker

Drafted
Answerth - Starc.. Although Starc injured opened door for Bailey who got injured and opened door for Answerth. So that is one spot taken through injuries.

Injured
Cameron - N Robbo... Although Clugga got Nicks spot and Cameron Hugh's

Came through NEAFL
Bailey - Cutler

In NEAFL we have depth.
Matho, Skinner, Taylor, Cutler, Keays, Walker, N Robbo, Archie Smith and Lester.
Young players
Payne, Starc, E Smith, T Berry, C Lyons, Madden, Joyce, Fullarton, Ballenden, Wooler, Allison, Cox and Hinge

So if we trade we look 22 or to replace one of our depth/young players who not come on.
I assume we look to draft in Coleman as well.

 

[M Malice]

briztoon has it right, there will be and has to be continual tinkering with your list, it's part of the rules of list management.

I'm thinking there will be a more than expected turnover this off season with so many players still OOC at seasons end(13) at this stage and so few OOC at the end of 2020(6) so far.

Fagan, Noble, Amrogio, Conole and co. will just about put up the "Rebuild Mission Accomplished" sign after this off season IMO, from then on it will be minimal changes for a while and they will throw more focus than they have right now on sustainable success long term ie. a decade or more of being in top 4/flag contention.

 

[Dylan12]

briztoon has it right, there will be and has to be continual tinkering with your list, it's part of the rules of list management.

I'm thinking there will be a more than expected turnover this off season with so many players still OOC at seasons end(13) at this stage and so few OOC at the end of 2020(6) so far.

Fagan, Noble, Amrogio, Conole and co. will just about put up the "Rebuild Mission Accomplished" sign after this off season IMO, from then on it will be minimal changes for a while and they will throw more focus than they have right now on sustainable success long term ie. a decade or more of being in top 4/flag contention.

You aren't wrong.

The fewest changes we've made in an off-season is five, which occurred at the conclusion of the 2001 and 2003 seasons, so I wouldn't think there would be any less.

 

[dlanod]

That 2020 total will increase as some guys sign on for single year extensions (probably).

 

[Scubaveg]

briztoon has it right, there will be and has to be continual tinkering with your list, it's part of the rules of list management.

I'm thinking there will be a more than expected turnover this off season with so many players still OOC at seasons end(13) at this stage and so few OOC at the end of 2020(6) so far.

Fagan, Noble, Amrogio, Conole and co. will just about put up the "Rebuild Mission Accomplished" sign after this off season IMO, from then on it will be minimal changes for a while and they will throw more focus than they have right now on sustainable success long term ie. a decade or more of being in top 4/flag contention.

Agree. I can see 6 changes. Robertson, Allyson, Eagles, Bastinac, Cutler and Hinge all departing.


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[Tom14]

I believe you need to continually be adding depth to your list.

Trading is obviously more about adding potential best 22 talent, rather than depth.

Ideally I’d like to see another classy mid added, to compliment McCluggage.

Another general defender to add to the mix would be good. Not necessarily a Hodge replacement. I do worry about Gardiner’s banged up body.

Another ruck similar to Martin who can play around the ground.

Developmental/young ruck is worth investing a decent draft pick on imo (depending on what other options are available). Big O is locked in to the forward/ruck role but once Stef retires at minimum we will need backup/competition with Archie and personally I think we could do with an upgrade.

 

[davemc_lions]

Developmental/young ruck is worth investing a decent draft pick on imo (depending on what other options are available). Big O is locked in to the forward/ruck role but once Stef retires at minimum we will need backup/competition with Archie and personally I think we could do with an upgrade.

the question is draft or trade in someone who behind a #1 ruck elsewhere.
Unless it is Grundy or Gawn or maybe Nic Nat wants to come to the best medical team

 

[lioninthesand]

IMO we need midfield depth as a priority. Yes our midfield is strong ATM but that is with no injury. The moment we are stretched, Robbo, Linc and Charlie have to go in there which is not ideal. This takes into account Clugger is a genuine winger ATM.

Top tier

Zorko
Lyons
Neale


Genuine mid Depth

Insert player here
Insert player here

Can be mid depth

Robbo
Linc


Up and coming (sure things)

Berry

Up and Coming (not sure yet)

Matheson
Ely Smith
Insert draftee here
insert draftee here

What ever way you slice it, mid depth is an issue. The really good lists bat 7-8 deep. It's the only area I can see we need to genuinely bolster.

Maybe another ruck too, if Stef or Oscar go down, just not sure Archie is up to it.

 

[Dylan12]

IMO we need midfield depth as a priority. Yes our midfield is strong ATM but that is with no injury. The moment we are stretched, Robbo, Linc and Charlie have to go in there which is not ideal. This takes into account Clugger is a genuine winger ATM.

Top tier

Zorko
Lyons
Neale


Genuine mid Depth

Insert player here
Insert player here

Can be mid depth

Robbo
Linc


Up and coming (sure things)

Berry

Up and Coming (not sure yet)

Matheson
Ely Smith
Insert draftee here
insert draftee here

What ever way you slice it, mid depth is an issue. The really good lists bat 7-8 deep. It's the only area I can see we need to genuinely bolster.

Maybe another ruck too, if Stef or Oscar go down, just not sure Archie is up to it.

Cutler should also be included in these discussions, is best 22 IMO and should be back or close to once he overcomes his injuries.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Top tier

Zorko
Lyons
Neale


Genuine mid Depth

Insert player here
Insert player here

Can be mid depth

Robbo
Linc


Up and coming (sure things)

Berry

Up and Coming (not sure yet)

Matheson
Ely Smith
Insert draftee here
insert draftee here

Are we just going to ignore Keays and Corey Lyons?

 

[Dalions]

IMO we need midfield depth as a priority. Yes our midfield is strong ATM but that is with no injury. The moment we are stretched, Robbo, Linc and Charlie have to go in there which is not ideal. This takes into account Clugger is a genuine winger ATM.

Top tier

Zorko
Lyons
Neale


Genuine mid Depth

Insert player here
Insert player here

Can be mid depth

Robbo
Linc


Up and coming (sure things)

Berry

Up and Coming (not sure yet)

Matheson
Ely Smith
Insert draftee here
insert draftee here

What ever way you slice it, mid depth is an issue. The really good lists bat 7-8 deep. It's the only area I can see we need to genuinely bolster.

Maybe another ruck too, if Stef or Oscar go down, just not sure Archie is up to it.

Clugga has pretty good contested numbers for a ‘genuine winger’.
Averaging 8.3 contested possessions per game this year!
Meaning 37.5% of his 22.1 possessions per game are contested!
They are pretty good numbers!

 

[buttermuffs]

I’d say Berry come under genuine mid depth with potential to go into the top tier. He already produces enough to be mid depth, as seen from the weekend and many other games this year.


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[lioninthesand]

Are we just going to ignore Keays and Corey Lyons?

Yeah, I think Keays is more of a forward than a pure mid these days. Lyons, don't know enough about him. You can both of those to the unknown if they will make it section, doesn't really change much.

 

[lioninthesand]

All the points above are valid. Still, with everything considered, I reckon another B grade (solid citizen) mid-depth player is needed. We are an injury or 2 away from being heavily exposed in the engine room.

 

[lioninthesand]

I’d say Berry come under genuine mid depth with potential to go into the top tier. He already produces enough to be mid depth, as seen from the weekend and many other games this year.


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I actually have 'up and coming sure thing' above 'mid depth' - he is a lock.

 

[jjami15]

I’d say Berry come under genuine mid depth with potential to go into the top tier. He already produces enough to be mid depth, as seen from the weekend and many other games this year.


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Second this, his last two weeks have been back to his best and think that it is only the beginning. You need a number of mids to rotate through and he is one and will get more time in there.

 

[Dalions]

Second this, his last two weeks have been back to his best and think that it is only the beginning. You need a number of mids to rotate through and he is one and will get more time in there.

He is really starting to lower the eyes after bursting through a pack and hitting a target

 

[M Malice]

I have high hopes for our mids that have yet to play at AFL level ie. Tom Berry, Tom Joyce, Ely Smith and Connor McFadyen. + those who have had limited midfield exposure at that level ie. Noah Answerth, Zac Bailey and Brandon Starcevich.

That is 7 potential mostly permanent midfielders already on our list. Looking 2-3 years down the track-

Answerth- IMO he would be a very good player on the wing.
Bailey- Wing/forward.
Starcevich- Explosive burst from stoppage player.
T.Berry- Tom has something to my eye that screams very good player, confident in him.
McFadyen- IMO he'll be a 3rd tall forward/midfield stints, similar to Rayner.
E.Smith- ?? I can't quite get a handle on him. Similar to Berry Snr?
Joyce- Haven't seen or watched him enough to make even a cursory judgment.

Albeit these glimpses and form have been in a side thrashing opponents every week, so they could all turn out to be below what is required.