Preview 2020 AFL National Draft thread

[King Corey]

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Also no one is trading pick 1 for a future pick. What if we get a soft draw, a good run with injuries and win 8-10 games?

 

[Mjs94]

I don't think they can trade all three picks.

They wouldn't anyway - it would put way too much pressure on whoever they selected at 2.

Then we keep it. Pick 2 is going to be Hollands or McDonald for us I'd rather we kept it than accept a trade that slightly favours us. If it is a landslide our way then we pull the trigger.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Then we keep it. Pick 2 is going to be Hollands or McDonald for us I'd rather we kept it than accept a trade that slightly favours us. If it is a landslide our way then we pull the trigger.

I am 100% in the "keep pick 2 " camp. No issue with fielding offers but I reckon our list is in a position where we can afford to be selective over which kid we choose, rather than bringing in 2-3 higher picks but potentially missing the absolute cream.

 

[Wild Bill]

Suns are the only team I would be ok dealing with. With 5 stand out players at pick 5 we will still get a very good player.

A lot of talk about the 2021 draft crop being special. So a couple of 1st rounders would be nice.

 

[Souup]

I dont want to go full nuffy, but here's a realistic scenario using the above.

Deal 1:

North: #2
GC: #5, #27, #37, 2021 R1

Deal 2 - Collingwood get a pick ahead of McInnes and bank points to cover him.

North: #11, #27, #37, #39, 2021 R2
Collingwood: #14, #16, 2021 R1

Result:

2020: #5, #14, #16, #30, #70
2021: North R1, GC R1, Collingwood R1

I've seen Deal 1 floated around on different sub forums - would love it if it eventuated as I tend to rate Thilthorpe, DGB and Phillips above McDonald and Hollands.

Even if Gold Coast's pick next year ends up in the 10-15 range it's still a fine trade for us.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

I've seen Deal 1 floated around on different sub forums - would love it if it eventuated as I tend to rate Thilthorpe, DGB and Phillips above McDonald and Hollands.

Even if Gold Coast's pick next year ends up in the 10-15 range it's still a fine trade for us.

Souup - I must have missed something - I thought you had Logan a clear number 1? I understand your view on Hollands in that he may drift down - but I thought you were very positive on Logan?

 

[Rooboy 96]

Also no one is trading pick 1 for a future pick. What if we get a soft draw, a good run with injuries and win 8-10 games?

we are talking Malcolm Blight reincarnated, so let's not worry about Adelaide, from our point of view would you do the trade?

 

[Souup]

Souup - I must have missed something - I thought you had Logan a clear number 1? I understand your view on Hollands in that he may drift down - but I thought you were very positive on Logan?

I definitely still like McDonald and wouldn't complain if we picked him up but I think the hype around him has gone too far with words like 'generational' now being used to describe his talent. I've gone back and watched the WAFL games he played in this year and I'm a tad worried that he won't be a dangerous inside 50m forward at the next level. He's a very hard worker which will mean that he's almost guaranteed to succeed as a lead up forward hitting up on the wing/half forward due to his work rate, ability below his knees and willingness to apply defensive pressure for a player his size when the ball hits the deck but I have doubts about his ability to be an aerial threat in a crowded/zone defended forward line. However, you could argue he would complement Larkey very well as Nick is an excellent deep threat and contested mark.

Finding forwards who can impact the game up the field as well as inside 50m as a goal threat are rare but many of the real dominant versatile forwards we've seen in the last 20 years have been able to do it (Riewoldt x2, Franklin, Roughead, I'll add Cameron here but feel free to disagree with him). If Logan McDonald is going to live up to the 'generational' tag he's going to need to improve his ability to work in a crowded forward line through becoming a threat in the air - he's not terrible at it by any means but if there's a weakness in his forward-craft it's this IMO.

This is an area Thilthorpe has excelled in from my POV - just go have a look at his highlights and you'll see him do it all. He'll take uncontested marks on the lead after creating separation from his opponent, take contested marks on the lead with an opponents right on his tail, standing contested 1 on 1 marks, contested pack marks and shows freakish level below his knees around the ground for his height/size.

TLDR: Good chance at being Riewoldt-like up the field due to his elite work rate and ability below his knees but struggles as an aerial threat. I see Phillips, DGB and Thilthorpe as more well rounded with the latter 2 also having a higher ceiling from my perspective but they're also greater risks than McDonald

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

I definitely still like McDonald and wouldn't complain if we picked him up but I think the hype around him has gone too far with words like 'generational' now being used to describe his talent. I've gone back and watched the WAFL games he played in this year and I'm a tad worried that he won't be a dangerous inside 50m forward at the next level. He's a very hard worker which will mean that he's almost guaranteed to succeed as a lead up forward hitting up on the wing/half forward due to his work rate, ability below his knees and willingness to apply defensive pressure when the ball hits the deck but I have doubts about his ability to be an aerial threat in a crowded/zone defended forward line. However, you could argue he would complement Larkey very well as Nick is an excellent deep threat and contested mark.

Finding forwards who can impact the game up the field as well as inside 50m as a goal threat are rare but many of the real dominant versatile forwards we've seen in the last 20 years have been able to do it (Riewoldt x2, Franklin, Roughead, I'll add Cameron here but feel free to disagree with him). If Logan McDonald is going to live up to the 'generational' tag he's going to need to improve his ability to work in a crowded forward line through becoming a threat in the air - he's not terrible at it by any means but if there's a weakness in his forward-craft it's this IMO.

This is an area Thilthorpe has excelled in from my POV - just go have a look at his highlights and you'll see him do it all. He'll take uncontested marks on the lead after creating separation from his opponent, take contested marks on the lead with an opponents right on his tail, standing contested 1 on 1 marks, contested pack marks and shows freakish level below his knees around the ground for his height/size.

TLDR: Good chance at being Riewoldt-like up the field due to his elite work rate and ability below his knees but struggles as an aerial threat. I see Phillips, DGB and Thilthorpe as more well rounded with the latter 2 also having a higher ceiling from my perspective but they're also greater risks than McDonald

The more I read and watch, the more I agree with you on McDonald. Really leaning towards Thilthorpe or Hollands tbh.

 

[Agenda 21]

Does anyone know anything about Matt Allison, a hopeful draftee?

I know he's a North supporter, so that's a tick.

Seems like a great kid, and a real talent.

 

[R00StaR]

I definitely still like McDonald and wouldn't complain if we picked him up but I think the hype around him has gone too far with words like 'generational' now being used to describe his talent. I've gone back and watched the WAFL games he played in this year and I'm a tad worried that he won't be a dangerous inside 50m forward at the next level. He's a very hard worker which will mean that he's almost guaranteed to succeed as a lead up forward hitting up on the wing/half forward due to his work rate, ability below his knees and willingness to apply defensive pressure when the ball hits the deck but I have doubts about his ability to be an aerial threat in a crowded/zone defended forward line. However, you could argue he would complement Larkey very well as Nick is an excellent deep threat and contested mark.

Finding forwards who can impact the game up the field as well as inside 50m as a goal threat are rare but many of the real dominant versatile forwards we've seen in the last 20 years have been able to do it (Riewoldt x2, Franklin, Roughead, I'll add Cameron here but feel free to disagree with him). If Logan McDonald is going to live up to the 'generational' tag he's going to need to improve his ability to work in a crowded forward line through becoming a threat in the air - he's not terrible at it by any means but if there's a weakness in his forward-craft it's this IMO.

This is an area Thilthorpe has excelled in from my POV - just go have a look at his highlights and you'll see him do it all. He'll take uncontested marks on the lead after creating separation from his opponent, take contested marks on the lead with an opponents right on his tail, standing contested 1 on 1 marks, contested pack marks and shows freakish level below his knees around the ground for his height/size.

TLDR: Good chance at being Riewoldt-like up the field due to his elite work rate and ability below his knees but struggles as an aerial threat. I see Phillips, DGB and Thilthorpe as more well rounded with the latter 2 also having a higher ceiling from my perspective but they're also greater risks than McDonald

Yeah i tend to agree with your assessment of Thilthorpe and McDonald. Both will be great players, Thilthorpe looks more dangerous to me as a FF with the added bonus of pinch hitting the ruck. Big unit to smash packs for chaos balls, crushes the air out the ball on many marks, agile. More suited to congested forward lines and we know how good AFL teams are at getting back. Could easily become a full time ruck as well.

I dont however believe its a top 5, the top 3 are well ahead. Phillips looks solid, but Hollands is a game breaker.

This handball - game breaking. We see how valuable at AFL level these are. And its his bloody left hand



Left foot snap goal - no hesitations about his own skills. Dangerous anywhere around goal



Obviously way more clips highlight his skills, but finally - 65 to 70m goal. Thats a Zone buster there. Do we even have a player capable of that?



Theres a very good reason clubs are eager to get our pick 2 and its not because the 5 are equal.

 

[shinboner magic]

Does anyone know anything about Matt Allison, a hopeful draftee?

I know he's a North supporter, so that's a tick.

Seems like a great kid, and a real talent.

Fruity’s son?

 

[Agenda 21]

Fruity’s son?

Don't think so.

I've just heard some good things, around the traps. Plenty of upside.

Think young Jack Gunston

19

Jack Gunston

Age

34

Ht

193cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.5

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

5.0

4star

M

5.7

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.9

5star

D

10.6

3star

K

8.0

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

4.3

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

G

0.6

3star

, perhaps?

 

[shinboner magic]

Yeah i tend to agree with your assessment of Thilthorpe and McDonald. Both will be great players, Thilthorpe looks more dangerous to me as a FF with the added bonus of pinch hitting the ruck. Could easily become a full time ruck as well.

I dont however believe its a top 5, the top 3 are well ahead. Phillips looks solid, but Hollands is a game breaker.

This handball - game breaking. We see how valuable at AFL level these are. And its his bloody left hand



Left foot snap goal - no hesitations about his own skills. Dangerous anywhere around goal



Obviously way more clips highlight his skills, but finally - 65 to 70m goal. Thats a Zone buster there. Do we even have a player capable of that?



Theres a very good reason clubs are eager to get our pick 2 and its not because the 5 are equal.

Leon Cameron

Leon Cameron

Age

53

Ht

185cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.2

4star

K

12.4

5star

HB

4.7

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.9

3star

No current season stats available

D

20.8

5star

K

14.4

5star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

like - can’t tell which is his favoured foot.
Just get him and we’ll sort out the talls later

 

[Agenda 21]

The way Hollands is going, he'll end up 6 ft 4 and be key position size anyway.

 

[Groucho]

Does anyone know anything about Matt Allison, a hopeful draftee?

I know he's a North supporter, so that's a tick.

Seems like a great kid, and a real talent.

Yeah was mentioned on here a few weeks ago. Said to be skilled, athletic with a good pair of hands. Has been interviewed by 10 clubs do definitely being looked at. Yeah big North supporter too!

 

[Agenda 21]

Yeah was mentioned on here a few weeks ago. Said to be skilled, athletic with a good pair of hands. Has been interviewed by 10 clubs do definitely being looked at. Yeah big North supporter too!

Unreal. Cheers, Groucho!

We just might recruit him. Fingers crossed.

 

[R00StaR]

The way Hollands is going, he'll end up 6 ft 4 and be key position size anyway.

No doubt he could pinch hit FF as Dusty and Danger do

Shit imagine having both Thril and Hollands. Thril FF pinch hits ruck (gets his own clearances too) while Hollands drifts to FF. Anything else we need hit FA - we're good to go!

If we're going to win so many games next year as some think then - 11 and Next years 1st for Crows first. Not that they'd do it, one can dream lol

 

[Agenda 21]

No doubt he could pinch hit FF as Dusty and Danger do

But............can he kick the winning goal at AFL level, like his old man did?!

 

[shinboner magic]

Yeah was mentioned on here a few weeks ago. Said to be skilled, athletic with a good pair of hands. Has been interviewed by 10 clubs do definitely being looked at. Yeah big North supporter too!

Any gun NM fans that go in the draft - should be sent a framed signed jumper with a note that we’re interested in taking them.
Even if we get gazumped at the draft - we can use it for a later date , if we chase them.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Given you’ve just reiterated how important top 5 is in this draft. It’s clear how clubs are scrambling for McDonald. Yet we have him in our lap and are considering letting him slip? FFS, why would we?

Enough drafting average first rounders. Let’s grab a 250 game champion for once!


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Not that it matters much but the Crows board is fairly split between taking McDonald, Thilthorpe and Hollands (all 3 have a personal connection to Adelaide, McDonald less so). A lot of media however seem to think we’re a lock for taking Thilthorpe.

Thilthorpe is more of a FWD/RUC than RUC/FWD, and we already have Himmelberg (who was looking like an absolute spud until having an excellent back half of last season, so is looking like he’s developing ok as a KPP)

O’Driscoll (best mates with McDonald) also let slip in a news segment that the Crows had told his parents that they’d ‘try to keep the boys together’ if possible.

That being said, I think there’s now some worry McDonald might be a flight risk as he’s recently outed himself as a complete Collingwood nuffie and his ‘dream’ is to play for them..

Who knows...



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[Agenda 21]

Is there any chance at all we look at Paddy McCartin, as a cheap forward option?

 

[R00StaR]

Not that it matters much but the Crows board is fairly split between taking McDonald, Thilthorpe and Hollands (all 3 have a personal connection to Adelaide, McDonald less so). A lot of media however seem to think we’re a lock for taking Thilthorpe.

Thilthorpe is more of a FWD/RUC than RUC/FWD, and we already have Himmelberg (who was looking like an absolute spud until having an excellent back half of last season, so is looking like he’s developing ok as a KPP)

O’Driscoll (best mates with McDonald) also let slip in a news segment that the Crows had told his parents that they’d ‘try to keep the boys together’ if possible.

That being said, I think there’s now some worry McDonald might be a flight risk as he’s recently outed himself as a complete Collingwood nuffie and his ‘dream’ is to play for them..

Who knows...



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11 and next years first (could be Horne) for your first?

 

[krakouers]

Fruity’s son?

Did he have a boy?

 

[Ashley B]

First time I have watched the video clip of the Hollandaise sauce and was suitably impressed. What I really like is his confidence and he can kick on both feet very well, a rare trait nowadays. I have been an advocate of Will as I am worried about Hollands acl . Any word on how far advanced his rehab is?