Preview 2020 AFL National Draft thread

[King Corey]

Spoiler: Lore's 2020 Draft Order

 

[Duck_18_]

He coached the U17s as a 16yo?

Assistant coach. Was going to play but was injured so stayed around to assist.

 

[Smoocher]

I feel like this post belongs on the FB pages.


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So who was it that went at pick 8 at last years draft. A gun midfielder if I recall.


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[neddy36]

So who was it that went at pick 8 at last years draft. A gun midfielder if I recall.


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This is your only post in the lead up to the 2019 draft...

I didn’t think there was any value left at pick 8 so we traded for Melbournes 2nd and next years 1st.

Stop being a hindsight warrior and just shut up and buy a membership.

 

[Jasemon]

So I have read a fair bit of this thread and I can see that there is a fair bit of consensus developing. The BF faithful has narrowed the choice for pick 2 down to:
Hollands
McDonald
Thilthorpe
Phillips
Grainger-Barras
Perkins

Have I missed anyone?

Who said recruiting was hard? Stern look.

What I can draw from that is that there will be a number of BF posters unhappy with our selection and a number who will be ecstatic.
Furthermore what I can draw from it all is that collectively we have no frigging idea who the club is planning on selecting.

As long as we don't trade it to * I'm fairly content with whoever we go with.

 

[Usayed Givashe]

This is your only post in the lead up to the 2019 draft...



Stop being a hindsight warrior and just shut up and buy a membership.

Seeing what was paid for 27 from GC only cements the view that some had at the time. I don't think there is much HW at play here.

 

[Smoocher]

This is your only post in the lead up to the 2019 draft...



Stop being a hindsight warrior and just shut up and buy a membership.

All of us here are hindsight warriors.

Our list management TEAM which comprises of at least 5 people being paid a shit load of money to scrutinise the kids coming through the draft failed the club.

So in hindsight, which is all we have sometimes to pass judgement on choices made by those in charge.

Needy It’s OK to admit the club made a mistake by not identifying that Serong would have been a great pick up.


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[North Star Investments]

Bailey Laurie is a BFNAAK.

Matt Balmer thinks he might have interest from GWS at Pick 13 because Collingwood would grab him at their picks - assuming they don't trade their picks.

Should we take Bailey Laurie at Pick 11 if Perkins and Cox are off the board?

 

[Merlin007]

All of us here are hindsight warriors.

Our list management TEAM which comprises of at least 5 people being paid a sh*t load of money to scrutinise the kids coming through the draft failed the club.

So in hindsight, which is all we have sometimes to pass judgement on choices made by those in charge.

Needy It’s OK to admit the club made a mistake by not identifying that Serong would have been a great pick up.


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The club didn't make the trade with Melbourne on the basis of valuations of the 2019 draft, who was available at 8 etc etc, but to give a new management team the best possible resources to work with in the 2020 draft. Rawlings couldn't get a release from WCE to participate in the 2019 draft, and so we effectively held fire for the following year (ie 2020), giving him time to build a new management team (eg Scott Clayton didn't start until Dec 19). The Melbourne trade had nothing to do with Serong (or anyone else), but was part of an overall strategy to give the new football department the best possible hand in their first draft together, which is now.

 

[Passmore]

All of us here are hindsight warriors.

Our list management TEAM which comprises of at least 5 people being paid a sh*t load of money to scrutinise the kids coming through the draft failed the club.

So in hindsight, which is all we have sometimes to pass judgement on choices made by those in charge.

Needy It’s OK to admit the club made a mistake by not identifying that Serong would have been a great pick up.


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Judge it in 5 years.

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[The Filth Wizard]

For all the people saying we screwed the pooch a year after the trade with Serong winning the rising star (if we'd have even taken him) should probably also acknowledge we just picked up the rising star from two years ago for chips.

Careers are long (unless they're not). The winners and losers come out in the wash many years after.

 

[7577969923]

Bailey Laurie is a BFNAAK.

Matt Balmer thinks he might have interest from GWS at Pick 13 because Collingwood would grab him at their picks - assuming they don't trade their picks.

Should we take Bailey Laurie at Pick 11 if Perkins and Cox are off the board?

Kid sure looks like a player. Some of those kicks to the leading player were absolutely top shelf.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

Kid sure looks like a player. Some of those kicks to the leading player were absolutely top shelf.

Classy mover for sure - perhaps a bit too like Bailey Scott

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Bailey Scott

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.9

3star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.8

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

CL

0.6

3star

/Mahoney though.

If we go Holland's at 2 we will need to have a crack at some legitimate height at 11.

 

[shinboner magic]

Very interesting that our strongest links from Twomney seem to be Hollands at 2, Perkins at 11 and Poulter at 30. That's basically 3x the same player. I wonder what mix we end up bringing in, or whether that is even a consideration for us with our first two picks.

I guess it’s better than getting 3 defenders in the same draft

 

[kaboom kid]

I like that if Thilthorpe is still there. Wouldn't be happy if not.

This Thilthorpe laddie looks something special. Sure doesn't play like a 200 cm player with how he competes at ground level and his kicking both sides. Love his aggression and contested marking. Could set us up for the next 10 years

 

[Northwards]

For some reason I get a huge feeling Thilthorpe will be a better forward at AFL level.

I think McDonald will be a good forward and play 10 years but Thilthorpe at present time is a ruck/fwd who is arguably the best contested mark in the draft. He played on a terrible team all year, has McDonald covered athletically and has shown to be an elite kick with a very good non preferred as well.

Add to that, his size is already there to play Senior footy next year. Any other KPP has to add size which could potentially lower athleticism.

I’d be happy with either but geez Thilthorpe looks the pick if we go for a KPP.

 

[Masked Avenger]

The club didn't make the trade with Melbourne on the basis of valuations of the 2019 draft, who was available at 8 etc etc, but to give a new management team the best possible resources to work with in the 2020 draft. Rawlings couldn't get a release from WCE to participate in the 2019 draft, and so we effectively held fire for the following year (ie 2020), giving him time to build a new management team (eg Scott Clayton didn't start until Dec 19). The Melbourne trade had nothing to do with Serong (or anyone else), but was part of an overall strategy to give the new football department the best possible hand in their first draft together, which is now.

Like all of us probably, I have a different take. We were pretty pleased with ourselves at the end of 2019 - promising young coach, equally promising young players and a blend of experienced players. We weren't that desperate to add another kid. The newly minted brains trust thought- we'll show 'em by backing Dees to have a poor season. If they factored in that the Dees would do anything different - then it doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Northwards]

Also, can anyone tell me where McDonald was rated in draft terms this time last year ?

I know it’s hard to say but if the vic kids played this year allowing for similar progression to their U17 years would he still be a 1-3 prospect or would he have drifted out to 5+ and how does that compare with Thilthorpe at the same times ?

 

[Heaps of fun]

Also, can anyone tell me where McDonald was rated in draft terms this time last year ?

I know it’s hard to say but if the vic kids played this year allowing for similar progression to their U17 years would he still be a 1-3 prospect or would he have drifted out to 5+ and how does that compare with Thilthorpe at the same times ?

He was back in the pack. I think most had him in the 10-20 zone.

 

[Souup]

Something to note is that of all the rumoured top 15, Thilthorpe has the latest DOB with a July birthday. Henry is the other one born in the second half of the year with a July birthday with most of the draftees born in the first 3-4 months of the year.

Guys like Nik Cox, Heath Chapman and Braeden Campbell have half a year of development over him due to being born in Jan/Feb while names like Hollands, JUH, McDonald, DGB, Reid, Perkins, Jones, Davies, Powell and Macrae are 1/3 to 1/4 of a year ahead of him with March/April birthdates.

A small thing in the grand scheme of things and I'm sure won't be the deciding factor when clubs separate the players but something to consider.

McInnes, Poulter, Carroll and Western all have birthdays in the last 3 months of the year which means they potentially have greater scope for growth and development.

We've been rumoured to be linked with Poulter with our 3rd pick. A 192cm, 80kg midfielder/winger who has more physical development left in him due to an October birthday is an exciting prospect.

Our recruiting team has mentioned late birthdays in the past - I remember it being mentioned when we drafted Ben McKay

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Ben Mckay

Age

27

Ht

202cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

3.7

1star

HB

3.8

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.7

4star

MG

77.2

1star

D

7.5

2star

K

4.5

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.5

2star

MG

88.5

2star

D

7.0

2star

K

3.4

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.0

4star

MG

67.8

1star

and then recently with Mahony.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Classy mover for sure - perhaps a bit too like Bailey Scott

8

Bailey Scott

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.9

3star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.8

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

CL

0.6

3star

/Mahoney though.

If we go Holland's at 2 we will need to have a crack at some legitimate height at 11.

If Cox and Reid are both off the board then not sure there will be a lot of viable tall options at 11. Maybe Chapman.

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

Thilthorpe just has 'it'. Going to be a gem.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Thilthorpe just has 'it'. Going to be a gem.

If you're confident his groins will hold up he almost looks the pick

 

[Kangaroos4eva]

If you're confident his groins will hold up he almost looks the pick

I know Lachie and Wells both suffered a bit from similar injuries, but his mobility seems fine. I’m more worried about Hollands’ injury.

 

[Northwards]

He was back in the pack. I think most had him in the 10-20 zone.

Wow that’s further out than I would’ve thought ! But damn thats a lot of movement when almost half the draft pool didn’t play, big advantage !
Surely that’d mean we go with the kid who projected top 3-5 over the course of the journey and looks to have everything you’d want in a KPP with the added benefit of potentially filling our key forward hole or our ruck problem in two years time.

Thilthorpe or Hollands you can’t go wrong

 

[Usayed Givashe]

The only way to make sure Dodoro doesn’t take your guy is to pick before him.

IMO no deals with * unless we get their first pick. At least.

30+11 > 8 (Cox) if we take Hollands
2021 R2 + 11 > 6 (Perkins) in the event we take McDonald

Classy mover for sure - perhaps a bit too like Bailey Scott

8

Bailey Scott

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

5.8

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

1.5

3star

CL

0.9

3star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.8

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.2

3star

CL

0.6

3star

/Mahoney though.

If we go Holland's at 2 we will need to have a crack at some legitimate height at 11.

Baldwin at 30?