Club Focus 2020 Club Draft Needs

[philthy05]

Don't agree Adelaide needing a small defender this draft.
Currently have Laird and Brown in current team.
On list they have Hamill, Sholl, McPherson all promising.

I actually think the Crows spine is the main worry. Walker and Talia will be gone soon. Plus O'Brien isn't proven.
Fogarty is yet to prove himself either.
Need a second key forward to accompany Fogarty, and a ruck to develop under O'Brien.
Ideally Thilthorpe and Baldwin fall in our laps.
As for mids Edwards will be one. May have to wait until 2021 for mids.

laird and brown are in the back end of their careers. Barring a miracle they’re not there when you play finals again.

the next three you list of currently miles away. Maybe one of them works out of the 3.

you’re right about spine though. It’s a good area to target first if you’re rebuilding and with walker and talia near the end.

unless you’re best mates with Edwards there’s no way you can just assume he will be on your list in 2021 with his previous comments. I don’t know that he won’t either. But it seems very up in the air. Having watched a bit of him he’s a half back to start off his career as well.

I imagine thilthorpe is very high on crows list of targets as a ruck and forward seeing both high areas of need.

 

[1990crow]

laird and brown are in the back end of their careers. Barring a miracle they’re not there when you play finals again.

the next three you list of currently miles away. Maybe one of them works out of the 3.

you’re right about spine though. It’s a good area to target first if you’re rebuilding and with walker and talia near the end.

unless you’re best mates with Edwards there’s no way you can just assume he will be on your list in 2021 with his previous comments. I don’t know that he won’t either. But it seems very up in the air. Having watched a bit of him he’s a half back to start off his career as well.

I imagine thilthorpe is very high on crows list of targets as a ruck and forward seeing both high areas of need.

Small defenders are generally easy to find. Personally I rate Hamill and Sholl very highly and think both will make it. However Laird and Brown both still have 3-5 years left so still time to develop a couple not a pressing need I would have thought. Perhaps in a couple of years we could make it a priority but right now I think spine and mids is it. Hamill is actually very close to playing based on preseason reports.
Thilthorpe would have to be the target. I think Crows will finish pretty low so should be viable.
GWS first with the crows too so there's possibility to work a way into getting Baldwin too.
Edwards yes may be saying he is open to elsewhere but I would be surprised if he doesn't nominate Adelaide given he has still been turning up for Father Son catch ups the Crows provide their NGA and father son programs. Plus its a guaranteed chance to stay in Adelaide.
I would prefer Adelaide let Brad Crouch go too, as compensation would likely be after our first rounder based on previous free agents. If Adelaide finish low as expected then that pick would be a good one too, possibly enough to get achieve the above needs.

 

[Bring back Bas]

Small defenders are generally easy to find. Personally I rate Hamill and Sholl very highly and think both will make it. However Laird and Brown both still have 3-5 years left so still time to develop a couple not a pressing need I would have thought. Perhaps in a couple of years we could make it a priority but right now I think spine and mids is it. Hamill is actually very close to playing based on preseason reports.
Thilthorpe would have to be the target. I think Crows will finish pretty low so should be viable.
GWS first with the crows too so there's possibility to work a way into getting Baldwin too.
Edwards yes may be saying he is open to elsewhere but I would be surprised if he doesn't nominate Adelaide given he has still been turning up for Father Son catch ups the Crows provide their NGA and father son programs. Plus its a guaranteed chance to stay in Adelaide.
I would prefer Adelaide let Brad Crouch go too, as compensation would likely be after our first rounder based on previous free agents. If Adelaide finish low as expected then that pick would be a good one too, possibly enough to get achieve the above needs.

I 100% agree that small defender would not be a priority. I don't know why that would have been suggested. There is also Milera in the side who looks very good in defense. I'm not too concerned about parts of Adelaide's spine. I think they are set for KPD with another 4 or 5 years from Talia if required and McAsey and Butts in waiting and who knows what Worrel will turn into. We definitely need another KPF preferably who can play second ruck so Thilthorpe would be perfect. I dont think another KPF would be a need unless you expect Thilthorpe to play as the no.1 ruck.
Adelaide's other biggest needs in my opinion are a genuine clearance specialist and a general forward who is dangerous around goal. I agree that a developing ruck behind ROB is also required.

 

[philthy05]

I 100% agree that small defender would not be a priority. I don't know why that would have been suggested. There is also Milera in the side who looks very good in defense. I'm not too concerned about parts of Adelaide's spine. I think they are set for KPD with another 4 or 5 years from Talia if required and McAsey and Butts in waiting and who knows what Worrel will turn into. We definitely need another KPF preferably who can play second ruck so Thilthorpe would be perfect. I dont think another KPF would be a need unless you expect Thilthorpe to play as the no.1 ruck.
Adelaide's other biggest needs in my opinion are a genuine clearance specialist and a general forward who is dangerous around goal. I agree that a developing ruck behind ROB is also required.

to my eyes small / medium defender is absolutely a need. It may not be the most pressing. As others may have noted they can often be picked up anywhere in the draft. But still a need.

from my understanding the defenders on your list 25 and under are gollant, scholl, McPherson (all yet to debut and long shot prospects) kelly (who is poor to average) milera is very good but expect he’s a midfielder from now on?. Doedee is a 3rd tall but can play on small or medium players.

just to use port as a comparison our defenders 25 and under

brynes-Jones, burton, Houston (very good players. Houston going into mid now tho) bonner, lienert have games into them. Garner has promise but is unproven. Fredericks is a long shot. Farrell has played forward for us but played as a defender before he was drafted. Bergman looks promising and I think is a half back. Lachlan Jones likely to join us this draft.

and I would still target a defender for port.

Talia will be 29 before next years season starts. Its beyond optimistic to think you will get 4-5 years from him. How many 33/34 year old key defenders are playing good football now? Key Defenders playing good football post 30 would be the exception rather than the norm.

however having mcasey doedee butts possibly worrell if he is developed there (I don’t think butts makes it) Is a very good start for collecting key defenders and agree the kpf would be way more pressing.

Strong need for genuine mids to add to Schoenberg.

 

[eth-dog]

to my eyes small / medium defender is absolutely a need. It may not be the most pressing. As others may have noted they can often be picked up anywhere in the draft. But still a need.

from my understanding the defenders on your list 25 and under are gollant, scholl, McPherson (all yet to debut and long shot prospects) kelly (who is poor to average) milera is very good but expect he’s a midfielder from now on?. Doedee is a 3rd tall but can play on small or medium players.

just to use port as a comparison our defenders 25 and under

brynes-Jones, burton, Houston (very good players. Houston going into mid now tho) bonner, lienert have games into them. Garner has promise but is unproven. Fredericks is a long shot. Farrell has played forward for us but played as a defender before he was drafted. Bergman looks promising and I think is a half back. Lachlan Jones likely to join us this draft.

and I would still target a defender for port.

Talia will be 29 before next years season starts. Its beyond optimistic to think you will get 4-5 years from him. How many 33/34 year old key defenders are playing good football now? Key Defenders playing good football post 30 would be the exception rather than the norm.

however having mcasey doedee butts possibly worrell if he is developed there (I don’t think butts makes it) Is a very good start for collecting key defenders and agree the kpf would be way more pressing.

Strong need for genuine mids to add to Schoenberg.

Fletcher, Scarlett, Glass, Rutten, Lake in recent times played some excellent football post 30. Talia is firmly in their class.

 

[philthy05]

Fletcher, Scarlett, Glass, Rutten, Lake in recent times played some excellent football post 30. Talia is firmly in their class.

thats clearly in the exception rather than the norm category I mentioned right.

for every one of those there was 15 that didn’t play very good football til they were 34.

it’s something you hope for, not assume.

 

[andleanback]

to my eyes small / medium defender is absolutely a need. It may not be the most pressing. As others may have noted they can often be picked up anywhere in the draft. But still a need.

from my understanding the defenders on your list 25 and under are gollant, scholl, McPherson (all yet to debut and long shot prospects) kelly (who is poor to average) milera is very good but expect he’s a midfielder from now on?. Doedee is a 3rd tall but can play on small or medium players.

just to use port as a comparison our defenders 25 and under

brynes-Jones, burton, Houston (very good players. Houston going into mid now tho) bonner, lienert have games into them. Garner has promise but is unproven. Fredericks is a long shot. Farrell has played forward for us but played as a defender before he was drafted. Bergman looks promising and I think is a half back. Lachlan Jones likely to join us this draft.

and I would still target a defender for port.

Talia will be 29 before next years season starts. Its beyond optimistic to think you will get 4-5 years from him. How many 33/34 year old key defenders are playing good football now? Key Defenders playing good football post 30 would be the exception rather than the norm.

however having mcasey doedee butts possibly worrell if he is developed there (I don’t think butts makes it) Is a very good start for collecting key defenders and agree the kpf would be way more pressing.

Strong need for genuine mids to add to Schoenberg.

Laird is an a grader and has 5 years left minimum. Doedee is 23, milera is 24 though he will most likely move into the midfield.

 

[philthy05]

Laird is an a grader and has 5 years left minimum. Doedee is 23, milera is 24 though he will most likely move into the midfield.

they’re pretty much day 1 of a major rebuild. It would be a miracle if laird is a part of any future where the crows are contenders. Even counting him they still need to draft defenders. There’s way too many unknown untested players. You just named 3 and 1 is a midfielder. You need more than that.

though as I said it’s a position you don’t need to go in early in the draft for. They can be patient and cherry pick. They don’t need to rush and draft a heap tomorrow.

but I’m challenging the notion that they are set for defenders because they have gollant Hamill McPherson, a bunch of guys that haven’t played a game yet.

 

[eth-dog]

thats clearly in the exception rather than the norm category I mentioned right.

for every one of those there was 15 that didn’t play very good football til they were 34.

it’s something you hope for, not assume.

I can see Talia being good for that time period still. Their future defence would probably nominally include McAsey, Worrell, Kelly, Doedee as the core and maybe a few others. I can see them chasing Redman from us pretty hard or a Sam Durdin type as well

 

[philthy05]

I can see Talia being good for that time period still. Their future defence would probably nominally include McAsey, Worrell, Kelly, Doedee as the core and maybe a few others. I can see them chasing Redman from us pretty hard or a Sam Durdin type as well

talia isn’t reliant on speed so could be the type to keep his form.

I still always laugh at supporters who assume their players are going to be great at 34. It is in no way the common thing.

I view Dixon and Jonas at 29 to be almost year by year prospects now. Anything we get past 30 is a bonus.

 

[eth-dog]

talia isn’t reliant on speed so could be the type to keep his form.

I still always laugh at supporters who assume their players are going to be great at 34. It is in no way the common thing.

I view Dixon and Jonas at 29 to be almost year by year prospects now. Anything we get past 30 is a bonus.

Dixon is a very injury prone, inconsistent key forward though. Talia has been pretty much uninjured throughout his career.

 

[jono23]

I actually think the Crows spine is the main worry. Walker and Talia will be gone soon. Plus O'Brien isn't proven.
Fogarty is yet to prove himself either.
Need a second key forward to accompany Fogarty, and a ruck to develop under O'Brien.
Ideally Thilthorpe and Baldwin fall in our laps.
As for mids Edwards will be one. May have to wait until 2021 for mids.

That's an interesting perspective and I do advocate that in any re-build that you start with the key talls first given they take longer to develop. However, I actually think we are well versed in that department. On early indications, it would seem that McAsey, Worrell, and Doedee will be able to hold down KPD roles for 10 years (and many on this forum seem to like Butts, although I haven't seen much of him). Fogarty should make it, especially if football reverts back to a simplified game as a result of less coaches. Agree with needing a second KPF too complement Fog. This year's draft could be a chance to grab 4-5 quality players, given we could easily have 4-5 picks in the top 20 once all is said and done if we can trade up above Edwards FS bid and Brad Crouch leaving. Could address all needs. Think we will see a huge cut to our playing list this year especially with the reduction in list sizes - reckon 15 might be packing their bags.

 

[1990crow]

That's an interesting perspective and I do advocate that in any re-build that you start with the key talls first given they take longer to develop. However, I actually think we are well versed in that department. On early indications, it would seem that McAsey, Worrell, and Doedee will be able to hold down KPD roles for 10 years (and many on this forum seem to like Butts, although I haven't seen much of him). Fogarty should make it, especially if football reverts back to a simplified game as a result of less coaches. Agree with needing a second KPF too complement Fog. This year's draft could be a chance to grab 4-5 quality players, given we could easily have 4-5 picks in the top 20 once all is said and done if we can trade up above Edwards FS bid and Brad Crouch leaving. Could address all needs. Think we will see a huge cut to our playing list this year especially with the reduction in list sizes - reckon 15 might be packing their bags.

I agree with getting many quality players this draft. Yes key defence shouldnt be an issue with McAsey, worrall, Butts and Borlase (NGA) coming in. Doedee is more of a third tall defender and ideally would play more of an enright type role.
Club needs to be aggressive with trading into the right draft positions to get Thilthorpe (may get draft pick through ladder position), Baldwin (GWS first) and a classy mid (B.Crouch compo). GWS will likely need to be upgraded so may be a case of combining with our second rounder.
Heard good things about Tariek Newchurch too.

 

[briztoon]

I agree with getting many quality players this draft. Yes key defence shouldnt be an issue with McAsey, worrall, Butts and Borlase (NGA) coming in. Doedee is more of a third tall defender and ideally would play more of an enright type role.
Club needs to be aggressive with trading into the right draft positions to get Thilthorpe (may get draft pick through ladder position), Baldwin (GWS first) and a classy mid (B.Crouch compo). GWS will likely need to be upgraded so may be a case of combining with our second rounder.
Heard good things about Tariek Newchurch too.

In regards to Baldwin.

You’ll need a pick way earlier than GWS’s first for him. Probably a non finals draft pick.

Adelaide would boast the shortest, tall forward line up, pairing Baldwin and Fogarty together.

 

[1990crow]

In regards to Baldwin.

You’ll need a pick way earlier than GWS’s first for him. Probably a non finals draft pick.

Adelaide would boast the shortest, tall forward line up, pairing Baldwin and Fogarty together.

I rate quality over height. Baldwin would be the same height as Walker anyway and paired with Walker it would be the same we have now.
From the sounds of things Baldwin would make a very good CHF with a strong contested mark and leading up the ground noted as being some of his strengths.

 

[Bring back Bas]

though as I said it’s a position you don’t need to go in early in the draft for. They can be patient and cherry pick. They don’t need to rush and draft a heap tomorrow.

I think you nailed it with this point. Adelaides small and medium defenders are very settled and none of them are old so Adelaide are in a position to darft a good one when they come up but are certainly in no rush. Having 3 or 4 developing options outside of the 22 at a time is ideal in my opinion which is what they have now in Hamill, McPherson and Scholl. They could probably draft another this year but it's not a high priority compared to other areas of the ground. If those 3 don't make it they can be replaced as they are delisted.

Also Talia will play all of this season at 28 which means if he plays 5 more seasons (including the one about to start) he will be 32 when he retires which is not at all an unreasonable expectation for a player of his quality.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I actually think the Crows spine is the main worry. Walker and Talia will be gone soon. Plus O'Brien isn't proven.
Fogarty is yet to prove himself either.
Need a second key forward to accompany Fogarty, and a ruck to develop under O'Brien.
Ideally Thilthorpe and Baldwin fall in our laps.
As for mids Edwards will be one. May have to wait until 2021 for mids.

mcasey and Worrall are your future key posts plus fogarty. you could use another ruck though.

 

[eth-dog]

mcasey and Worrall are your future key posts plus fogarty. you could use another ruck though.

O'Brien's a jet and Strachan is at the very least a good state league player/good depth.

 

[1990crow]

mcasey and Worrall are your future key posts plus fogarty. you could use another ruck though.

Thilthorpe would be perfect for the crows. I see Worrall and McAsey more key backs than forwards. Fogarty clearly a full forward.
If Thilthorpe gets developed as a key forward that would be ideal, but if he were to get developed as a ruck would need another forward.

 

[andleanback]

mcasey and Worrall are your future key posts plus fogarty. you could use another ruck though.

I’d put all my money on worrell to be back in Vic by the time he’s 22.

 

[1990crow]

I’d put all my money on worrell to be back in Vic by the time he’s 22.

Even though he’s with his best mate at Adelaide?

 

[andleanback]

Even though he’s with his best mate at Adelaide?

McAsey isn’t his best mate

 

[1990crow]

McAsey isn’t his best mate

We’ll see. Be interesting to see if you end up wrong.

 

[Gosaints12]

I’d put all my money on worrell to be back in Vic by the time he’s 22.

Dibbs.

 

[robbo1981]

Adelaide need to do everything they can to get thilthorpe if they do better than expected this yr they must trade up to get him . This will also save them having to use a high pick on father son or NGA players give 2 first for a top 3 pick.