Opinion 2020 Draft #2: 1/9/22/23/40/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, Haw 4th, Freo 4th)

[Deaneus!]

KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
Mid-December: Final List Lodgment & TPP estimates

As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.​

 

[Brett Cummings]

we could pick bruhn at 9. I think perkins will be gone by then.

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

I know it’s later pick swaps, but I just don’t understand the logic of our last two trades:

we traded pick 66 and a future 4th (Melb) for pick 63

then we traded pick 63 and 56 for a future 4th (Freo)

am I right in summarising we effectively paid picks 56 and 66 to gamble that Freo finish lower than Melbourne in 2021? Ie freo 4th will be higher than Melbourne 4th?

 

[70lethal]

How are those Top 30 picks going, are they all still on our list?

All of them except 2016 should be 2015

 

[Thunderstruck]

Would have taken Perkins at 9 if he was there in the phantom but you can't always get who you want every time!

 

[70lethal]

How hard is it to get Stengle to take Tilthorpe, Cook, Borlace and Powell out for a night on the town.
That would make draft night a lot easier

 

[tinman]

Would have taken Perkins at 9 if he was there in the phantom but you can't always get who you want every time!

But if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need

 

[cmndstab]

I know it’s later pick swaps, but I just don’t understand the logic of our last two trades:

we traded pick 66 and a future 4th (Melb) for pick 63

then we traded pick 63 and 56 for a future 4th (Freo)

am I right in summarising we effectively paid picks 56 and 66 to gamble that Freo finish lower than Melbourne in 2021? Ie freo 4th will be higher than Melbourne 4th?

That's how I read it, yes. I agree, it seems strange. I guess we're not planning on using those picks anyway and figured we'd make an (extremely minor and only speculative) upgrade on next year's draft?

Odd to say the least.

 

[Sanders]

Said the guy who still thinks Anderson > Rowell and Thilthorpe > McDonald.
I think you're describing yourself

Mate,

with your record, and proven history of making stuff up do you really think you’re in a position to be pointing fingers?

you’re a running punch line

 

[Golumless]

I know it’s later pick swaps, but I just don’t understand the logic of our last two trades:

we traded pick 66 and a future 4th (Melb) for pick 63

then we traded pick 63 and 56 for a future 4th (Freo)

am I right in summarising we effectively paid picks 56 and 66 to gamble that Freo finish lower than Melbourne in 2021? Ie freo 4th will be higher than Melbourne 4th?

We're forced out of this draft at pick 40 (we'll be at 42 players by then), so I assume it's to get something from those picks instead of passing on them.

And the top one was probably a sweetener for Brisbane to delist Hinge.

 

[Sanders]

https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...t-************-knightmare-crows-pick-number-1

"Adelaide should bid on Ugle-Hagan, to keep Western Bulldogs accountable, and also meaning they bid on the most talented player in this draft. Once the Dogs match the bid, Logan McDonald is that clear pick and best available player."

end of conversation. picking thilthorpe at 1 is a flop.

north want mcdonald too. they would not pick thilthorpe at 1.

FFS Mick, lay off thinking anyone cares what you think

 

[Sanders]

What? Where did that come from? Quote me talking about a girls body.

I doubt you’ve ever seen one

 

[Sanders]

Yep..and if Faith gets his bet with me right and Thilthorpe lands at pick 9 (which he won't) and we get Hollands and Thilthorpe, it will be one bet I don't mind losing

if you know anything about Faith & his history, he’ll collect but never, ever pay up

 

[Sanders]

You sound shaky haha
Never bet against me when it comes to draft matters, I've been in the game for 30+years

sad. When someone just holds on to lies to feel valued

 

[Crow till I die]

if you know anything about Faith & his history, he’ll collect but never, ever pay up

I loved dewie's comment a while back..he said along the lines of what was the bet prize as i want to know what you have already won

 

[Vader]

I know it’s later pick swaps, but I just don’t understand the logic of our last two trades:

we traded pick 66 and a future 4th (Melb) for pick 63

then we traded pick 63 and 56 for a future 4th (Freo)

am I right in summarising we effectively paid picks 56 and 66 to gamble that Freo finish lower than Melbourne in 2021? Ie freo 4th will be higher than Melbourne 4th?

The Brisbane swap was effectively payment for them releasing Hinge, allowing us to sign him as a DFA. Effectively we have traded for a player outside of the trading period, which is dodgy as ****.

The Freo deal was about getting something of value for 2 picks we were never going to use. These picks had literally zero value to us, so anything we got for them was a bonus.

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[baldandbroke]

The Brisbane swap was effectively payment for them releasing Hinge, allowing us to sign him as a DFA. Effectively we have traded for a player outside of the trading period, which is dodgy as ****.

The Freo deal was about getting something of value for 2 picks we were never going to use. These picks had literally zero value to us, so anything we got for them was a bonus.

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Could there be something in the fact we might need to match a bid in a late round that will eat into next year's picks for that round?

 

[Vader]

Could there be something in the fact we might need to match a bid in a late round that will eat into next year's picks for that round?

Possibly... but the points value we've given up far exceeds what we've gained. If that's what they were planning, then they would have been better served by keeping the picks (points) in this year's draft.

 

[baldandbroke]

Possibly... but the points value we've given up far exceeds what we've gained. If that's what they were planning, then they would have been better served by keeping the picks (points) in this year's draft.

But as a back up? Those points next year will be worth something (if we end up not needing them this year).

 

[70lethal]

So it looks like we will be able to get a player of choice next year that goes undrafted as we get priority for finishing last.

Could be very handy.
Obviously Gibbs is the 1st in active player but McKay should become the second if someone is tearing it up

 

[Hodgy]

The Brisbane swap was effectively payment for them releasing Hinge, allowing us to sign him as a DFA. Effectively we have traded for a player outside of the trading period, which is dodgy as ****.

The Freo deal was about getting something of value for 2 picks we were never going to use. These picks had literally zero value to us, so anything we got for them was a bonus.

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So what do we do if a bid for Borlace comes straight after our pick 40, which would be about 34 on the night, which means we need 345 points to match?

 

[Atypical7]

Phillips may bolt into top 3.

Anyone agree?

 

[Golumless]

So what do we do if a bid for Borlace comes straight after our pick 40, which would be about 34 on the night, which means we need 345 points to match?

Assuming we don't move any of our first or second rounders (and we don't look like we will), if Borlace attracts a bid after pick 40, he won't be a Crow in 2021.

By that point, our list is full.

 

[Hodgy]

I havent been pumping thilthorpes tyres up but are you seriously comparing him to that soft utensil josh jenkins

11

Josh Jenkins

Age

35

Ht

200cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.1

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.4

4star

G

2.1

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.6

5star

? thilthorpe will crash packs and take contested marks. jj was scared of getting bumped. the guys a f*n mouse.

No, I was comparing JJ to Tom Lynch’s production, as someone had said a Tillthorpes ceiling was like Lynch, and I was saying that I would never give up pick 1 to get Tom Lynch.

i certainly am not interested in debating JJ’s worth as it’s got nothing to do with this thread. I think his career stats do that very adequately anyhow.

 

[Betts are off]

Phillips may bolt into top 3.

Anyone agree?

Depends on whose picking in the top 3. As it stands, I would be doubtful

 

[Hodgy]

Assuming we don't move any of our first or second rounders (and we don't look like we will), if Borlace attracts a bid after pick 40, he won't be a Crow in 2021.

By that point, our list is full.

I thought people were assuming we would trade pick 40 into next year if no bid happens by then. Are you suggesting we will use 40 on a player and then sit there wringing our hands at 41 when someone bids on Borlace, just so we could get a future 4th?