2020 Draft and Trades Thread

[Jen2310]

How is he a Suns fan? Legit question as I don't know how any interstate youngster without any ties to the club could follow is. As sad as it is.

Jeremy Sharp's brother is a massive suns fan, even before his brother was drafted.

 

[Peel67skin]

Peel, what I suggested was upgrading the Suns two second round picks for a first round pick.

There’s no future pick mentioned.

Why upgrade? I would happy to give 2nd and 3 rd pick to GWS if Zac Williams willing to come as a free agent . A bit like getting miles and Ellis from Richmond for peanut in exchange for not matching lynch retricted free agency. Always think about trade first ,free agency second , left over pick after that for the draft .
If draft come first I agree with you, but plenty variable can change after FA agency period before the draft . GWS also can trade hately and other out for pick to move up the ladder . I rather get a 20 years top pick from GWS than go to this year draft . Two year AFL training for hately, caldwell compare to 2020 pick .

 

[TheGeneralmeg]

Crazy if true.

Surely should be clubs only required to draft 1 player instead of the usual 2. As opposed to clubs only permitted to draft 1.

Yeah the talk is the draft will be only two rounds (only 18 best 18 year olds) , so I guess you would choose your best 18 year old then best 19 year old with your pre selections. If I was a suns recruiter would then trade your top picks for Dustin Martin lol. Keep the rest in your zone for the 2021 draft

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

Yeah the talk is the draft will be only two rounds (only 18 best 18 year olds) , so I guess you would choose your best 18 year old then best 19 year old with your pre selections. If I was a suns recruiter would then trade your top picks for Dustin Martin lol. Keep the rest in your zone for the 2021 draft

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
There were 65 players drafted last year. Lets say 50 were 18 years old. (conservative estimate)
So you are saying that the AFL is trying to force clubs to draft an additional 18 players who weren't good enough to be drafted in the 2019 draft.

So there will be 70 players from 2019 draft year and 18 players from 2020 draft year.
Seems a penalty to me that clubs are forced to draft players who weren't good enough to be drafted LAST year.


Can you link some decent sources - sounds completely made up.

 

[TheGeneralmeg]

Doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.
There were 65 players drafted last year. Lets say 50 were 18 years old. (conservative estimate)
So you are saying that the AFL is trying to force clubs to draft an additional 18 players who weren't good enough to be drafted in the 2019 draft.

So there will be 70 players from 2019 draft year and 18 players from 2020 draft year.
Seems a penalty to me that clubs are forced to draft players who weren't good enough to be drafted LAST year.


Can you link some decent sources - sounds completely made up.

Without going into my source , the 18 ready made players can be selected straight away while the other 2002 born crop can get a years work experience and a nab league season under their belt. The remaining players chosen in the second round will be late developers , players who have improved with another year under their belt and guys like Kobe Tozer who would have been drafted but had their 2019 season destroyed by injury. There may only be 40 picks

 

[briztoon]

Without going into my source , the 18 ready made players can be selected straight away while the other 2002 born crop can get a years work experience and a nab league season under their belt. The remaining players chosen in the second round will be late developers , players who have improved with another year under their belt and guys like Kobe Tozer who would have been drafted but had their 2019 season destroyed by injury. There may only be 40 picks

That’s a pretty b.s. idea.

There are so many flaws in such a scenario.

Without any, or few games played at the lower level, how does anyone know which overage and mature age players have improved enough, to be worthy of a selection.

There still might not be enough 19 years olds worth drafting. Legitimately, there might only be two or three.

I’m sure there would be a quite a few delisted players teams would rather re-draft, instead of drafting a speculative development prospect.

Then you look at the first round, or top 18 nga, father son, and northern academy prospects this year. Do the “parent” clubs have to take their kids as their preselected 18 year old, or do they pick a kid from the open pool, and all academy kids roll over to 2021 as 19 year olds?

If Gold Coast have to preselect Davies instead of picking the best kid at pick 1, that’s a huge “loss” for Gold Coast. It’s a pretty good chance GC end up with pick 1 this year. Not such a good chance next year.

For teams like the Bulldogs and Collingwood, that’s a massive “win”. As they’re either getting their kid for free, or they effectively get a double selection from this years top 18 year olds, even if one selection is postponed a year.

What happens with the traded picks from last year, into this years draft? Will they be carried forward in to 2021? This is another big potential “loss” for the teams that traded in multiple first round picks, as there is a fair chance that teams like Port and Melbourne all improve in 2021, where as that might not have been the case this year.

Many of this year’s draft prospects have already finished school because they are early year births. Last year, all three of the Lions live pick draftees were 18, but had finished school in 2018, and had already been working for a year. Same with Gould and Stephens from SA, both were at Uni.

So a good proportion of the kids will be two years out of school, by trying to force the draft age up.

As for Tozer, he didn’t miss one year. He’s effectively missed three years due to multiple knee surgeries.

I feel for the kid, I genuinely do, but he wasn’t even training with the Lions during the preseason, when other over age academy kids were.

 

[Sunny_]

Jeremy Sharp's brother is a massive suns fan, even before his brother was drafted.

Not complaining, just dont know how!

 

[MarcLocksCrustySock]

Not complaining, just dont know how!

I became a Suns fan upon learning of them in 2009 from WA. Why does there need to be a geographic reason? Strange thing to say given you are from the US.

James Brayshaw IQ = 4

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

That’s a pretty b.s. idea.

There are so many flaws in such a scenario.

Without any, or few games played at the lower level, how does anyone know which overage and mature age players have improved enough, to be worthy of a selection.

There still might not be enough 19 years olds worth drafting. Legitimately, there might only be two or three.

I’m sure there would be a quite a few delisted players teams would rather re-draft, instead of drafting a speculative development prospect.

Then you look at the first round, or top 18 nga, father son, and northern academy prospects this year. Do the “parent” clubs have to take their kids as their preselected 18 year old, or do they pick a kid from the open pool, and all academy kids roll over to 2021 as 19 year olds?

If Gold Coast have to preselect Davies instead of picking the best kid at pick 1, that’s a huge “loss” for Gold Coast. It’s a pretty good chance GC end up with pick 1 this year. Not such a good chance next year.

For teams like the Bulldogs and Collingwood, that’s a massive “win”. As they’re either getting their kid for free, or they effectively get a double selection from this years top 18 year olds, even if one selection is postponed a year.

What happens with the traded picks from last year, into this years draft? Will they be carried forward in to 2021? This is another big potential “loss” for the teams that traded in multiple first round picks, as there is a fair chance that teams like Port and Melbourne all improve in 2021, where as that might not have been the case this year.

Many of this year’s draft prospects have already finished school because they are early year births. Last year, all three of the Lions live pick draftees were 18, but had finished school in 2018, and had already been working for a year. Same with Gould and Stephens from SA, both were at Uni.

So a good proportion of the kids will be two years out of school, by trying to force the draft age up.

As for Tozer, he didn’t miss one year. He’s effectively missed three years due to multiple knee surgeries.

I feel for the kid, I genuinely do, but he wasn’t even training with the Lions during the preseason, when other over age academy kids were.

Right on.

Speaking of 'parent' clubs
I think TheGeneral just has a vested interested in seeing more 19 year olds.. particularly GC academy 19 year olds drafted.

I can't possibly see this being a legit solution.

 

[TheGeneralmeg]

Right on.

Speaking of 'parent' clubs
I think TheGeneral just has a vested interested in seeing more 19 year olds.. particularly GC academy 19 year olds drafted.

I can't possibly see this being a legit solution.

I have no affiliation with anyone in this years draft just passing on what I have been told. The thing is that many industry people are pushing is that the draft becomes more mature. That will mean a guy like Pickett would probably be drafted in future seasons. Remember when the draft started mature guys like John Hutton were number 1 picks. Just because what I am telling you goes against what you believe it is right doesn’t means it isn’t true. Due to covid the draft will be shorter , more mature and many of the 2001 prospects will play in an national under 19 s comp next year where their skills can be properly analyzed

 

[Peel67skin]

I have no affiliation with anyone in this years draft just passing on what I have been told. The thing is that many industry people are pushing is that the draft becomes more mature. That will mean a guy like Pickett would probably be drafted in future seasons. Remember when the draft started mature guys like John Hutton were number 1 picks. Just because what I am telling you goes against what you believe it is right doesn’t means it isn’t true. Due to covid the draft will be shorter , more mature and many of the 2001 prospects will play in an national under 19 s comp next year where their skills can be properly analyzed

For me is a recycle thing, Example GWS have Caldwell, Hately, hills, harohan not playing regular AFL as 21 years old next year . Isn't it better to trade out draft pick for them than draft 18-20 years old in this year draft. BONAR IS A GREAT EXAMPLE.
Club that trade in 20-21 year old with draft pick should not require to go to draft if filled up their list.

 

[Peel67skin]

That’s a pretty b.s. idea.

There are so many flaws in such a scenario.

Without any, or few games played at the lower level, how does anyone know which overage and mature age players have improved enough, to be worthy of a selection.

There still might not be enough 19 years olds worth drafting. Legitimately, there might only be two or three.

I’m sure there would be a quite a few delisted players teams would rather re-draft, instead of drafting a speculative development prospect.

Then you look at the first round, or top 18 nga, father son, and northern academy prospects this year. Do the “parent” clubs have to take their kids as their preselected 18 year old, or do they pick a kid from the open pool, and all academy kids roll over to 2021 as 19 year olds?

If Gold Coast have to preselect Davies instead of picking the best kid at pick 1, that’s a huge “loss” for Gold Coast. It’s a pretty good chance GC end up with pick 1 this year. Not such a good chance next year.

For teams like the Bulldogs and Collingwood, that’s a massive “win”. As they’re either getting their kid for free, or they effectively get a double selection from this years top 18 year olds, even if one selection is postponed a year.

What happens with the traded picks from last year, into this years draft? Will they be carried forward in to 2021? This is another big potential “loss” for the teams that traded in multiple first round picks, as there is a fair chance that teams like Port and Melbourne all improve in 2021, where as that might not have been the case this year.

Many of this year’s draft prospects have already finished school because they are early year births. Last year, all three of the Lions live pick draftees were 18, but had finished school in 2018, and had already been working for a year. Same with Gould and Stephens from SA, both were at Uni.

So a good proportion of the kids will be two years out of school, by trying to force the draft age up.

As for Tozer, he didn’t miss one year. He’s effectively missed three years due to multiple knee surgeries.

I feel for the kid, I genuinely do, but he wasn’t even training with the Lions during the preseason, when other over age academy kids were.

No bullshit where got truth?
No wrong where got right.
No sky no Ground.
No shit come out of your body after eating for a few day you get sick.

* everybody bullshit occasionally, including you. You want other to accept your shit so you project to other and call those disagree with you bullshit. Is our coping mechanism , nobody is perfect.
You shit, I shit, and full of shit then blame it on the animal (bull etc)

 

[briztoon]

No bullshit where got truth?
No wrong where got right.
No sky no Ground.
No shit come out of your body after eating for a few day you get sick.

* everybody bullshit occasionally, including you. You want other to accept your shit so you project to other and call those disagree with you bullshit. Is our coping mechanism , nobody is perfect.
You shit, I shit, and full of shit then blame it on the animal (bull etc)

 

[Sunny_]

I became a Suns fan upon learning of them in 2009 from WA. Why does there need to be a geographic reason? Strange thing to say given you are from the US.

James Brayshaw IQ = 4

Getting on board during their foundation year makes sense for sure, and how most of us got there. But given that current crops of draftees would have been 7 years old when we formed, odds are they wouldnt fall into that boat. They have just watched us get thrashed all the time. No huge deal, just curious about it.

 

[robo_1]

Not complaining, just dont know how!

It’s pretty easy how.. the same way all of us on here are fans

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

I have no affiliation with anyone in this years draft just passing on what I have been told. The thing is that many industry people are pushing is that the draft becomes more mature. That will mean a guy like Pickett would probably be drafted in future seasons. Remember when the draft started mature guys like John Hutton were number 1 picks. Just because what I am telling you goes against what you believe it is right doesn’t means it isn’t true. Due to covid the draft will be shorter , more mature and many of the 2001 prospects will play in an national under 19 s comp next year where their skills can be properly analyzed

I get the concept. Just don't like the execution.

Can kind of see the value in pushing draft age out another year - at least for some players.
In saying that Kysaiah Pickett had a great round 1 and showed that he could be a valuable contributor at the level as an 18 year old.
18 year old Connor Buderick stepped in and played a role in round 1.
18 year old Charlie Ballard played 11 solid games in his first season.

The main thing I don't like is the suggestion that there will be a 'requirement' to draft 19 year olds who weren't up to scratch last year.
Will see how it plays it.

 

[GC2015]

Don’t know how, but he said it in an interview. Think it was in the Into the Fire Series interview.

edit:

Didn't Josh Schache say he barracked for the Lions before they drafted him? That didn't end well...

Honestly, we should just take the best player available with our high-end picks. I really despise the idea of trading away pick 1. We tried to be smart in the past by essentially trading away our access to Clayton Oliver and ended up with Callum Ah Chee who never lived up to the his potential with us and then got coaxed into joining the Lions after four pretty average seasons in the red and gold.

Let's just keep our best picks and stop trying to double dip by striking gold with later selections.

 

[briztoon]

Didn't Josh Schache say he barracked for the Lions before they drafted him? That didn't end well...

Honestly, we should just take the best player available with our high-end picks. I really despise the idea of trading away pick 1. We tried to be smart in the past by essentially trading away our access to Clayton Oliver and ended up with Callum Ah Chee who never lived up to the his potential with us and then got coaxed into joining the Lions after four pretty average seasons in the red and gold.

Let's just keep our best picks and stop trying to double dip by striking gold with later selections.

Actually, no he didn’t. Schache barracked for one of the Melbourne clubs. Just can’t recall which.

I’m sure you could ask on our board, and someone will remember.

 

[briztoon]

Didn't Josh Schache say he barracked for the Lions before they drafted him? That didn't end well...

Honestly, we should just take the best player available with our high-end picks. I really despise the idea of trading away pick 1. We tried to be smart in the past by essentially trading away our access to Clayton Oliver and ended up with Callum Ah Chee who never lived up to the his potential with us and then got coaxed into joining the Lions after four pretty average seasons in the red and gold.

Let's just keep our best picks and stop trying to double dip by striking gold with later selections.

It will be an interesting draft this year.

The current best mid, Will Phillips from Oakleigh Chargers, on U16 and U17 form is a lesser version of Rowell, but hasn’t shown the outside game Rowell does possess, and is the same height.

The best KPF is nga tied.

And the best possible dual position player, forward and mid, did his acl in the preseason.

Then there’s a ruck forward.

And another academy tied kid to Sydney to round out the top 5.


In the current phantom draft running on the draft board, the Suns picked Will Phillips from Oakleigh. Pretty much for the reason you stated.

 

[Goodguy72]

It will be an interesting draft this year.

The current best mid, Will Phillips from Oakleigh Chargers, on U16 and U17 form is a lesser version of Rowell, but hasn’t shown the outside game Rowell does possess, and is the same height.

The best KPF is nga tied.

And the best possible dual position player, forward and mid, did his acl in the preseason.

Then there’s a ruck forward.

And another academy tied kid to Sydney to round out the top 5.


In the current phantom draft running on the draft board, the Suns picked Will Phillips from Oakleigh. Pretty much for the reason you stated.

Apparently the Vic college comp is starting late July which gives their players an edge in probably a shorter draft. There are more talent scouts at these matches than others as they are pulled out of the nab league early on

 

[Peel67skin]

It will be an interesting draft this year.

The current best mid, Will Phillips from Oakleigh Chargers, on U16 and U17 form is a lesser version of Rowell, but hasn’t shown the outside game Rowell does possess, and is the same height.

The best KPF is nga tied.

And the best possible dual position player, forward and mid, did his acl in the preseason.

Then there’s a ruck forward.

And another academy tied kid to Sydney to round out the top 5.


In the current phantom draft running on the draft board, the Suns picked Will Phillips from Oakleigh. Pretty much for the reason you stated.

This year phantom will be hard for everybody, expect a lot of changes from now until near to the real thing.
With all this drafting 19 years old suggestion and will brodie under contract for anorher two year, plus nga Alex davies an inside mid, I doubt GCS will pick Phillips. Big chance of Ruck forward or back men like Barrass as number 1.

 

[Mt Isa Mustang]

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Darcy’s bro

 

[Goodguy72]

This year phantom will be hard for everybody, expect a lot of changes from now until near to the real thing.
With all this drafting 19 years old suggestion and will brodie under contract for anorher two year, plus nga Alex davies an inside mid, I doubt GCS will pick Phillips. Big chance of Ruck forward or back men like Barrass as number 1.

Have heard on other forums, draft likely to be two rounds with list cuts.

Also with Suns may play in the new under 19s Nab league next year so would make sense only drafting those who would attract a bid and have a quality group of 19 year olds
to lead the charge next season. Of the bids only certaintys would be Davies and maybe Jeffery I would think

 

[Jen2310]

Was reading an article in the HS, saying the suns would have to cut 16 players if they have to go down to 35 players.

 

[kreglze]

Was reading an article in the HS, saying the suns would have to cut 16 players if they have to go down to 35 players.

Yeah we will have to let a lot go.