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List Mgmt. 2020 Draft (December 9) discussion thread

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Our currently owned picks:

24 - Blake Coleman
43 - Harry Sharp
48 - Henry Smith

Our currently owned 2021 picks:

1st (MEL), 1st (BRI), 3rd (WCE), 3rd (BRI), 4th (MEL), 4th (COL), 5th (BRI)
 
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jackess said:
That's where I'm at and it's because he's too vanilla. Might rack up more touches than Lyons or McCluggage but he's probably behind them because he's not as useful in the clinches or as damaging on the outside.

He's still going to be an A grader but won't be a Judd or a Dangerfield or even a Josh Kennedy
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To me his ceiling is a slightly better version of Marc Murphy - wins plenty of the ball, is tough, and a decent long kick with good skills but not elite at anything other than his endurance running. Murphy was a good first round pick whose career has been surpassed by others in his draft class.

You'd never feel bad about having Walsh in your team but you can replicate his inside work at a fraction of the draft cost/contract value and others offer more on the outside.

This is also how I kind of feel about the 2017 draft - reportedly it was either Brayshaw or Rayner for pick 1 and we went with the player who was decidedly non-vanilla and I'm very happy we did, even though Brayshaw has been more consistent to date.
 
Tom14 said:
I geninunely think this honesty should be applauded - we know there are quite a few players who aren't willing to move, and it is better to know now than find out in a year.

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I sort of agree and disagree. I can understand why some of these young kids do not want to leave home.
Leave their mates.
Nice being honest although if it starts happening and people do not draft them.
You can see clubs using it.
 
If we're going for a mature age SANFL defender, I'm not sure why we'd choose Highmore or Duval over Jacob Wehr. We already have Gardiner and Lester to play medium defender and we're already strong at intercepting. What we lack is someone who combines speed with good kicking skills, which is what Wehr brings to the table.
 

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If you take Andrews out of the equation, who are our good interceptor marks?
 
Quigley said:
I had a quick look at him last night and he would not be the worst option. He played in the SANFL so we have actually seen him play this year which is more than most other options. He is a very good judge of the ball in the air, has nice hands, has good option taking and really nice weight on his kicks. He is also a mature body and could come in and play right away.

He is a medium defender who I think could come in and play the role Birchall did this year and play it well. He also offers cover for Gardner and Lester which we need. We quite a few 4 backs in the offseason and it does make sense to add some more depth especially depth that can play right away. We would have had a good chance to watch and play against him when he was in the NEAFL so they should have a good idea about him to start with and the fact that he stood up and continued to develop in the SANFL would be a positive as well.

At his best he could be a Tom Stewert type and it is worth noting that Stewert also came in as a mature ager. He would also strengthen our intercept marking in defence which is already a strength of the team. Giving us a real advantage in the air over the competition would be a big deal.

Overall I am not hating this idea.
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Could be the new Joel Patfull who also came in as a mature age third tall type defender.
 
Dylan12 said:
Could be the new Joel Patfull who also came in as a mature age third tall type defender.
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I think he was more of a forward when we recruited him
 
Johnny Bananas said:
If we're going for a mature age SANFL defender, I'm not sure why we'd choose Highmore or Duval over Jacob Wehr. We already have Gardiner and Lester to play medium defender and we're already strong at intercepting. What we lack is someone who combines speed with good kicking skills, which is what Wehr brings to the table.
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I'd rather Eggmolesse-Smith or Scharenberg
 
Tom14 said:
I geninunely think this honesty should be applauded - we know there are quite a few players who aren't willing to move, and it is better to know now than find out in a year.

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Personally I don't think he should be applauded. The AFL should either lift the draft age or ban anyone that cites they aren't ready to move for 2 years.

You have to laugh that the kids that are on the fringes of being draft or rookied rarely cite that they aren't ready to move, only the entitled ones that have probably gone through junior head and shoulders as their peers knowing they will be first round selections. I mean do you think a Ryan Lester or other late pick would have tried that on before he was drafted?

Don't nominate for the draft if you're not ready and come back after you grow a pair and are ready to leave home.

Thank God some of these players don't reside in the US and go off to college and play / study in other states or want to play in football Europe as many 15 year olds (some even younger) and do apprenticeships.
 
WhiteLionFeva said:
If you take Andrews out of the equation, who are our good interceptor marks?
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Payne is very good already. Gardner when he is freed up is quite a good intercept mark as is Lester. Oscar floats back into defence a bit and is good at taking a mark back there as well. Rich despite not having a lot of height is good overhead. Ah Chee also solid.
 
Tom14 said:
I geninunely think this honesty should be applauded - we know there are quite a few players who aren't willing to move, and it is better to know now than find out in a year.

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Shouldn't be nominating for the draft then.
 
Payne, I agree has the potential in that area but it's a bit early to make a confident judgment. Gardiner's first instinct is generally to spoil, although he has improved his marking. Every defender is capable of taking an intercept mark if it comes to that but I don't regard Lester, Ah Chee or a ruckman dropping back as solutions to what, as Jackess says, is a gap our list. We are clearly interested in that sort of defender if these tidbits are real. In fact, I would suggest it is one of the reasons we traded out Witherden as he was never going to be an interceptor who can then launch attacks.
 

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Quigley said:
Payne is very good already. Gardner when he is freed up is quite a good intercept mark as is Lester. Oscar floats back into defence a bit and is good at taking a mark back there as well. Rich despite not having a lot of height is good overhead. Ah Chee also solid.
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Adams is also very good when fit.
 
Considering we were interested in Jordan Ridley stands to reason we may be interested in somebody like Tom Highmore
 
Tom14 said:
I geninunely think this honesty should be applauded - we know there are quite a few players who aren't willing to move, and it is better to know now than find out in a year.

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Nope.

This is a national competition. If you’re not willing to move, don’t play.
 
I disagree with raising the draft age. There are plenty of examples of first-year players being AFL ready. Try telling Matt Rowell that he should've had to wait another year because some other kids might mature more by then... Makes no sense.

And I disagree with kids requesting to not be drafted by interstate teams. If they're asked and state a preference in either direction, fair enough, but to ask interstate teams not to draft you is too far. If you aren't mature enough to enter the draft, you should not enter the draft.
 
Cal Twomey's late late mail:

Adelaide to bid on JUH at 1.
Adelaide to take Reef McInnes at 11 (he's had Adelaide bidding on McInnes a few times, and always has the Pies passing if it's that early).
Pies not to bid on Coleman with their two picks.
Lions to take Sam Berry at 29.

www.afl.com.au

Cal Twomey's late mail: Dons to shape draft, but have they let plans slip?

Essendon's trio of first-round picks will have a huge effect on the rest of the NAB AFL Draft
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au
 

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spotthedog1 said:
I disagree with raising the draft age. There are plenty of examples of first-year players being AFL ready. Try telling Matt Rowell that he should've had to wait another year because some other kids might mature more by then... Makes no sense.
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I think it's best if we have a system like American college football where the Rowell-level talents can declare early but most only go into the draft at 19. Allows for a little flexibility.
 
Tom14 said:
I geninunely think this honesty should be applauded - we know there are quite a few players who aren't willing to move, and it is better to know now than find out in a year.

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Agree with a few others on here, if you're telling clubs you don't want to go interstate play in the VFL, should be draft ineligible.
 
Royboy1961 said:
The year Stewart was drafted the lions had their eyes on recruiting him as well. He was playing in the local league for Barwon Heads from memory and was a standout in that competition. With the new rules coming into play next year the game style might change to a kick and mark style because the man on the mark will have to stay stationary. Maybe the lions are looking at a project player that can intercept the ball going forward? Personally I reckon we have quite a few players who can play in the backline so it is not an area of need. I would have thought they we need a project ruckman, winger or an inside/outside on baller or maybe they just select the best player for our first pick.
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Played for South Barwon in the GFL, very strong league.
 
Johnny Bananas said:
I think it's best if we have a system like American college football where the Rowell-level talents can declare early but most only go into the draft at 19. Allows for a little flexibility.
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Yeah, that's more cultural than rules-based though. Nothing stopping a reasonable talent from not declaring in their draft year. You could do your interviews and say you want to wait a year, and nominate next year, and recruiters would just have to accept that.

Of course, having that amount of awareness takes maturity (in which case you're probably already ready to go).
 
spotthedog1 said:
Yeah, that's more cultural than rules-based though. Nothing stopping a reasonable talent from not declaring in their draft year. You could do your interviews and say you want to wait a year, and nominate next year, and recruiters would just have to accept that.

Of course, having that amount of awareness takes maturity (in which case you're probably already ready to go).
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It's changing the norm of 18 year olds nominating that's the issue though, and at least this year has given the AFL the opportunity to structure the champs and NAB League as mostly a U19s comp.
 
Johnny Bananas said:
If we're going for a mature age SANFL defender, I'm not sure why we'd choose Highmore or Duval over Jacob Wehr. We already have Gardiner and Lester to play medium defender and we're already strong at intercepting. What we lack is someone who combines speed with good kicking skills, which is what Wehr brings to the table.
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Looks like we're floating a few more names to keep the guessing game going.
 

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