List Mgmt. 2020 Draft (December 9) discussion thread

[dlanod]

Our currently owned picks:

24 - Blake Coleman
43 - Harry Sharp
48 - Henry Smith

Our currently owned 2021 picks:

1st (MEL), 1st (BRI), 3rd (WCE), 3rd (BRI), 4th (MEL), 4th (COL), 5th (BRI)

 

[morsie]

Might as well just bring back zones

He should be disqualified from the draft.Its clearly draft tampering.

 

[jackess]

Wouldn't be the first to not want to move but then re-signing with an interestate club. There were rumours about Florent before Sydney drafted him.

 

[Dylan12]

He should be disqualified from the draft.Its clearly draft tampering.

Correct and what's the bet if he was delisted in a couple of years and only a non-Victorian club was interested in him that he'd move.

It would be nice if the AFL actually stood up to this and made a stand by banning any potential player that threatens such antics.

Hopefully this little sook is derided for the rest of his career for how soft he is.

 

[dlanod]

I feel like you're almost intentionally missing the point here. I've outlined twice now what I want the system to look like and you're deviating into the finer points of college football specifics. I agree the AFL won't remove eligibility from those who nominate but won't get drafted, nor should they.

If an analogy confuses the matter rather than provides clarity, it's a crappy analogy. I was trying to understand how you were thinking those systems would work if implemented within the AFL's context given you explicitly raised them.

It would've been clearer if you'd just left it as an outline of what you thought the structure should be if you didn't intend to use the US systems as an actual analogy because the US systems, as I pointed out, rely on the cancellation of the player's college and draft eligibility as a down side to make it less likely players nominate. If you don't have that, you don't have any reason for players to not nominate as soon as they can.

 

[jackess]

This sort of news will only help us keep our academy with the current matching discount.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Wouldn't be the first to not want to move but then re-signing with an interestate club. There were rumours about Florent before Sydney drafted him.

I like to rely on the three greatest predictors of long term allegiance -

1. Whether he smiles for the camera when presented with his guernsey on draft night;
2. If he starts following players from opposition teams on social media; and
3. The all important "colour of the mouthguard".

 

[Johnny Bananas]

If an analogy confuses the matter rather than provides clarity, it's a crappy analogy. I was trying to understand how you were thinking those systems would work if implemented within the AFL's context given you explicitly raised them.

Right from the beginning I stated exactly what I meant, and you chose to go into the minute details.

 

[Nuggo]

Now now, no fighting otherwise I won't let you unwrap your Chrissie presents in a couple of hours time

 

[briztoon]

Me when the club passes on Eddie Ford if he’s still available at our first pick.

 

[BangyBangy]

If we don't manage to bundle up all our draft picks & negotiate a trade to get into the top 10 tonight, I am seriously going to RAGE!!!!

What kind of idiots do we have running the club.

 

[spotthedog1]

It's not to suit those who eventually become AFL players and especially not for guys like Matt Rowell

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Matt Rowell

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24

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180cm

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82kg

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Mid

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17.4

4star

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7.6

3star

HB

9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

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5.2

5star

CL

3.8

5star

D

17.4

4star

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7.6

3star

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9.8

5star

M

0.8

1star

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5.2

5star

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3.8

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17.4

5star

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7.6

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9.8

5star

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0.8

1star

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5.2

5star

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3.8

5star

who can star from day one; it's to help the clubs get a better formline on draftees, draft players more equipped to move and for the demands of AFL footy and give those who aren't on an AFL list in 4 years time to spend time before being drafted preparing for a life outside footy by learning a trade or studying, etc.

OK, so you're looking at it more from the club's point of view and from the point of view of more accurate draft ranking - waiting a year will give you a better idea of who will and won't make it, and result in more accurate draft ranking.

Of course, this can be taken further - delaying until they're 25 would give you a really good idea which players are going to make it.

From a player's point of view, if you're 18 and ready to go... why shouldn't you be able to put yourself forward for a job? Seems unnecessarily picky to suggest that they have to wait any longer than that draft. Seems kinda backwards to say that in a professional sporting environments, we want to hold back those who are ready to go for the benefit of those who are less prepared/mature/developed/skilled/talented/anything.

I do agree with providing more pathways for late bloomers to get onto lists after their draft year though.

 

[jjami15]

This will be the first draft where I’ll just sit and watch and whoever we pick and go, “ok then.” Then I’ll have another sip of my beer and continue to watch. Quite refreshing really. But do want a ruckman......Neale or big Max.

 

[M Malice]

If we don't manage to bundle up all our draft picks & negotiate a trade to get into the top 10 tonight, I am seriously going to RAGE!!!!

What kind of idiots do we have running the club.

We wouldn't need to draft anyone if we still had Cutler, Keays and Walker on our list, seriously when is this club going to get it's shite together?

 

[jackess]

OK, so you're looking at it more from the club's point of view and from the point of view of more accurate draft ranking - waiting a year will give you a better idea of who will and won't make it, and result in more accurate draft ranking.

Of course, this can be taken further - delaying until they're 25 would give you a really good idea which players are going to make it.

From a player's point of view, if you're 18 and ready to go... why shouldn't you be able to put yourself forward for a job? Seems unnecessarily picky to suggest that they have to wait any longer than that draft. Seems kinda backwards to say that in a professional sporting environments, we want to hold back those who are ready to go for the benefit of those who are less prepared/mature/developed/skilled/talented/anything.

I do agree with providing more pathways for late bloomers to get onto lists after their draft year though.

To use hyperbole why not lower it to 17? I'm sure Rowell would've been handy 2 seasons ago.

 

[M Malice]

To use hyperbole why not lower it to 17? I'm sure Rowell would've been handy 2 seasons ago.

3KZs son could step straight in and take McStay's spot.

 

[BangyBangy]

3KZs son could step straight in and take McStay's spot.

And we could of recruited Lachie Harris when he was a gun 13 year old, not the washed up over the hill 18 year old version. Would've got a good few seasons out of him.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Me when the club passes on Eddie Ford if he’s still available at our first pick.

I understand. I'll howl at the moon if Jack Carroll makes it to the pick we traded to Melbourne.

 

[morsie]

Given how the young like to delay what we're formerly indications of adulthood like getting a mortgage or a driver's licence I see a strong argument for raising the draft age to 30 to allow the players to mature.

 

[spotthedog1]

To use hyperbole why not lower it to 17? I'm sure Rowell would've been handy 2 seasons ago.

18 is the age of adulthood in Australia. If we're deciding on a time at which to treat AFL players as adults and allow them to sign professional contracts, 18 seems as good an age as any other to me.

Beyond that, I'd be interested to see what happened if we removed the draft age altogether, and allowed clubs to invest in 12 year olds. Probably not for the best though, because you can't exactly as a 12 year old to move states.

 

[BRAB]

Archie Perkins saying the quiet part out loud in a draft that we're not that heavily invested in is very good for us. Nice bit of PR for the academy system.

 

[Clarkythelion]

The Broncos also had the biggest talent factory in the nation all to themselves for 20 years between Brisbane and the Gold Coast, and still have all of Brisbane to themselves. It'd be like West Coast if there were no draft and no Freo, they'd be stacked every year and pick up any good player who got homesick. You could argue the Broncos have underperformed in talent acquisition compared to the resources they've had, notably missing Cameron Smith, Cooper Cronk, Jonathan Thurston and Israel Folau

Israel Folau

Age

36

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

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6.2

2star

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3.0

1star

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3.2

3star

M

1.7

2star

T

1.4

3star

G

0.2

2star

No current season stats available

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5.4

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2.6

1star

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2.8

3star

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1.8

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1.2

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0.2

3star

, all of whom grew up in Brisbane.

The team you should have named is the Storm, they've had a superstar every year despite not having any real local talent to draw from.

Thats simply not true they had any exclusivity and your analogy with West Coast is all wrong. I was talking specifically of Cyril Connell as a person at a club who was more right than wrong on talent identification, and wondering if there was an AFL recruiter that might have moved from club to club. But I get the need you have to go off half cocked.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Just putting the word out that Pie 4 Life is doing a live draft countdown and commentary during the draft tonight on YouTube.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Thats simply not true they had any exclusivity

Sorry, was there another club in Brisbane that I wasn't aware of, besides the poorly run Crushers who were full of washed up has-beens?

and your analogy with West Coast is all wrong.

Because?

I was talking specifically of Cyril Connell as a person at a club who was more right than wrong on talent identification, and wondering if there was an AFL recruiter that might have moved from club to club. But I get the need you have to go off half cocked.

I'm sure he was a good scout. I'm just saying it isn't all that hard to sign the best talent when you're the only game in town and it's a thousand clicks to get to the next club.

 

[royboys4eva]

3KZs son could step straight in and take McStay's spot.

I can attest that the boy goes very well. Good hands and decent kick. Must be the genes from the mother's side of the family

 

[bungalow_bill]

Correct and what's the bet if he was delisted in a couple of years and only a non-Victorian club was interested in him that he'd move.

It would be nice if the AFL actually stood up to this and made a stand by banning any potential player that threatens such antics.

Hopefully this little sook is derided for the rest of his career for how soft he is.

To put this snowflake into perspective 50 years ago kids his age were being forced to go to war and at best come home a broken shell of a man, at worst have your legs blown off.