List Mgmt. 2020 Draft (December 9) discussion thread

[dlanod]

Our currently owned picks:

24 - Blake Coleman
43 - Harry Sharp
48 - Henry Smith

Our currently owned 2021 picks:

1st (MEL), 1st (BRI), 3rd (WCE), 3rd (BRI), 4th (MEL), 4th (COL), 5th (BRI)

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Is it ok to feel sorry for Collingwood fans? This incompetence over the last two-three years has the potential to destroy them over the next decade.

No, it certainly isn't.

 

[lionraven]

Begrudgingly have to admit the Pies have had a bloody good draft night getting Oliver Henry, Finlay Macrae before the bid on Reef McInness.

At what expense? They lose Treloar. They trade out their 2021 1st rounder for a bag of chips and use that to bid on Coleman before trading out to get a future 3rd. I dont understand their machinations unless they really thought we wouldnt match a Coleman bid? There would have been plenty of teams looking to get a future 1st round pick in 2021. Surely you could have extracted more value than pick 24, pick 30 and a future 4th - especially if you use 24 to get matched on an academy prospect and then trade that for a future 3rd rounder.

 

[briztoon]

FYI, we're up to pick 28 now & everything is up to date.

We're still listed at pick 36.

I have trust in Lore.

It's possible we traded out, matched the bid with all our accrued late picks, and then back in these two picks, but typically the AFL doesn't work like this.

 

[Pns_blister]

It wont count against them unless they finish in the bottom 2-3 as their father/son next year is rated that high.

Will definitely work against them. They would have been able to extract a lot more value out of a top 7/8 pick next year than what they got this year. And if they really stink it up it will look even more ridiculous.

 

[JasRulz63]

It feels like we were the only ones really inconvenienced by a bid coming in for an academy/FS earlier than we would've liked (in terms of losing a pick because of an early pick). Sydney got a pick before Campbell, Collingwood two before McInnes, Hawks their second round pick before Downie etc.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Picking up sliders on draft night looks good but rarely ends up that way

Really? Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

worked out pretty well.

 

[jackess]

We must rate Coleman to take him ahead of a few that have been talked up a bit before the draft

 

[Dylan12]

I hope we use Demons 2021 Pick 1 to bid on Daikos next year.

You'd hope that when we did that trade with Collingwood a few weeks back for those later picks that we made it be known that if you bid on Coleman, we'll return the favour with Daicos, although I suspect there will be a few clubs with earlier picks than ours that'll be happy to bid on him and stick it to the Pies.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

FYI, we're up to pick 28 now & everything is up to date.

We're still listed at pick 36.

I have trust in Lore.

Shouldn't pick 36 have been eaten by the bid match though?

 

[jackess]

Really? Jack Darling

27

Jack Darling

Age

33

Ht

191cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

3.0

5star

G

1.9

5star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

3.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.4

3star

G

1.3

5star

D

14.6

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

4.0

5star

G

1.4

5star

worked out pretty well.

One example?

 

[briztoon]

Picking up sliders on draft night looks good but rarely ends up that way

Who are the sliders they've picked up? Well Poulter was considered a potential top 20 kid, but Macrae and Henry went pretty much in their range. It was their academy kid who got bid on later than expected.

And remember, we picked up THE slider in last years draft with our first pick.

 

[dlanod]

It's possible we traded out, matched the bid with all our accrued late picks, and then back in these two picks, but typically the AFL doesn't work like this.

We didn't do that - it'd be listed as two separate trades because we'd have to have done one before and one after the pick, same as Sydney a few years back.

 

[briztoon]

Shouldn't pick 36 have been eaten by the bid match though?

yes.

 

[M Malice]

At what expense? They lose Treloar. They trade out their 2021 1st rounder for a bag of chips and use that to bid on Coleman before trading out to get a future 3rd. I dont understand their machinations unless they really thought we wouldnt match a Coleman bid? There would have been plenty of teams looking to get a future 1st round pick in 2021. Surely you could have extracted more value than pick 24, pick 30 and a future 4th - especially if you use 24 to get matched on an academy prospect and then trade that for a future 3rd rounder.

I'm not looking at the big picture purely at draft night ins and they look like great ins to me... and they have now added Caleb Poulter, another good get IMO.

 

[Brizzys Squizzy]

Honestly I hope the league is past the point that you have to be an ex-player to be an expert. We're better off if we have actual professionals who have worked at the role rather than cramming another ex-player into a job for mates

Its Mick Ablett not nathan Mick is a talent scout of sorts knows what he's talking about

 

[Johnny Bananas]

One example?

Jarrod Berry

7

Jarrod Berry

Age

28

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

slid too didn't he?

 

[briztoon]

We didn't do that - it'd be listed as two separate trades because we'd have to have done one before and one after the pick, same as Sydney a few years back.

I know. Just hypothesising why we're still listed at 36.

 

[Brett C]

I reckon the problem with having someone like Nathan Ablett commentating on players is that he doesn't have any sort of AFL record of note behind him, so it is hard for him to be anything other than positive.

It’s Michael Ablett not Nathan.

was on the rookie list at Norf and spent 6-7 years at the AFL as national talent manager working with younger players and currently working with WAFC in a similar role so much more than just an ex player.

 

[JasRulz63]

One example?

Grundy and Worpel are ones I can think of off the top of my head.

 

[Balony_pony16]

When is our next pick?

 

[dlanod]

I know. Just hypothesising why we're still listed at 36.

I think Lore is battling the same issues the rest of us have in that no one's providing up to date information, so she's just updating the picks as the draft order reaches them.

 

[Dylan12]

It feels like we were the only ones really inconvenienced by a bid coming in for an academy/FS earlier than we would've liked (in terms of losing a pick because of an early pick). Sydney got a pick before Campbell, Collingwood two before McInnes, Hawks their second round pick before Downie etc.

Yeah, its a pretty crap hand we've been dealt and can't help we were asleep at the wheel to not have traded up fractionally to get a player before a bid on Coleman.

Conevsrely, I'm expecting whoever we do take with the next pick that the club will say they'd have taken him at the pick we took Coleman with anyway.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Doing well on draft night just means that your picks have aligned with the general group-think about draftees value, in any case.

 

[Sproj]

When is our next pick?

Once the robot announces the next player, the official number 36 will show up on screen and then we will have an indication.

 

[martinson]

At what expense? They lose Treloar. They trade out their 2021 1st rounder for a bag of chips and use that to bid on Coleman before trading out to get a future 3rd. I dont understand their machinations unless they really thought we wouldnt match a Coleman bid? There would have been plenty of teams looking to get a future 1st round pick in 2021. Surely you could have extracted more value than pick 24, pick 30 and a future 4th - especially if you use 24 to get matched on an academy prospect and then trade that for a future 3rd rounder.

I think they actually really wanted Coleman. Pure spite , I don't think so.

And young Macrae is a gun imo.

But good to see them copping it just the same.