List Mgmt. 2020 Draft (December 9) discussion thread

[dlanod]

Our currently owned picks:

24 - Blake Coleman
43 - Harry Sharp
48 - Henry Smith

Our currently owned 2021 picks:

1st (MEL), 1st (BRI), 3rd (WCE), 3rd (BRI), 4th (MEL), 4th (COL), 5th (BRI)

 

[lionshine]

I wouldn't be surprised if Oliver Henry is a player our recruiters are very keen on if we trade up to pick 7/8. I think they'd love his versatility and skill which is something that Fagan prioritises.

 

[ItsRaynerGoals]

On SEN yesterday morning, Garry, Tim and Sam were talking about the potential pick split between the blues and us. Garry asked who we were chasing to Sam, he didn’t know only to receive a message from his “8:30 man” telling him we want Holland’s. His 8.30 man has had some good intel.

 

[briztoon]

I wouldn't be surprised if Oliver Henry is a player our recruiters are very keen on if we trade up to pick 7/8. I think they'd love his versatility and skill which is something that Fagan prioritises.

I like his skill set, but I’m not sure he can play on a wing, or run through the midfield.

He’s very much a marking medium forward, or an intercept marking medium defender.

 

[briztoon]

On SEN yesterday morning, Garry, Tim and Sam were talking about the potential pick split between the blues and us. Garry asked who we were chasing to Sam, he didn’t know only to receive a message from his “8:30 man” telling him we want Holland’s. His 8.30 man has had some good intel.

If Phillips is a very small chance to slide to pick 8, I believe Holland’s would be an even smaller chance of being there.

Unless there’s negative reports about his acl rehab.

 

[Nunez]

If Phillips is a very small chance to slide to pick 8, I believe Holland’s would be an even smaller chance of being there.

Unless there’s negative reports about his acl rehab.

What sort of player is Hollands?

 

[briztoon]

What sort of player is Hollands?

Tall 189cm, athletic, half forward flanker who most project to move in to the midfield. More polished and skilled than Archie Perkins and Eddie Ford.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Top rated players sometimes slide

I don't think anyone expected Rich to slide to our pick 7. was rated as a top 3 prospect IIRC

 

[scoman]

If we did manage 8 I would think it might be a case of best available tbh. If that's Phillips, Hollands, Bruhn or even a tall like Tilthorpe or Grangier Barass, I think we just pull the trigger on the most talented kid as there are no glaring holes in the list. Draft for talent and trade for needs.

I know many here are set on another pure mid, but we have a bit of a log jam already. If we go with the winning team from the final against Richmond Rd 1 we would have CEY and Matho as mature depth and Robertson, Smith and Joyce as the untried kids. Add Cockatoo to the mix and the possibility of T Berry and McFayden being tried there and it's a fair line up of developing talent. A kid would have to be pretty exceptional to go past everyone and make an impact in the senior team. If one of the very top rated kids fell into our lap then so be it. There is no need to reach in this draft to get a certain type.

Besides I actually see another tall as being the more balanced addition to our list next year. So if one of the very highly rated talls is there at our pick I hope we grab him rather than reach for a mid with inferior talent.

 

[briztoon]

If we did manage 8 I would think it might be a case of best available tbh. If that's Phillips, Hollands, Bruhn or even a tall like Tilthorpe or Grangier Barass, I think we just pull the trigger on the most talented kid as there are no glaring holes in the list. Draft for talent and trade for needs.

I know many here are set on another pure mid, but we have a bit of a log jam already. If we go with the winning team from the final against Richmond Rd 1 we would have CEY and Matho as mature depth and Robertson, Smith and Joyce as the untried kids. Add Cockatoo to the mix and the possibility of T Berry and McFayden being tried there and it's a fair line up of developing talent. A kid would have to be pretty exceptional to go past everyone and make an impact in the senior team. If one of the very top rated kids fell into our lap then so be it. There is no need to reach in this draft to get a certain type.

Besides I actually see another tall as being the more balanced addition to our list next year. So if one of the very highly rated talls is there at our pick I hope we grab him rather than reach for a mid with inferior talent.

For me, I believe we’re lacking a mid who can tear a game apart, such as a Dusty Martin, Dangerfield or Fyfe type. Petracca looks like he might be developing in to that type as well.

From this years draft crop, I believe there’s three players who could potentially develop in to such players, if they work hard enough.

They are Elijah Hollands, Nathan O’Driscoll and Eddie Ford.

Hollands could become something like Petracca, albeit a taller more athletic version.

O’Driscoll could develop similar to Clayton Oliver

10

Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, but with the ability to play outside. However he’ll have to work on his kicking. He has the distance on his kick, but has the accuracy of Dangerfield.

Eddie Ford has all the athletic traits and skills to develop into something similar to Nat Fyfe. The question is more about his consistency and dedication. There’s a very wide gap between his best and worst. Maybe everything clicked for him upstairs this year.

None of these players have shown that they are at that level yet (obviously), but the potential is there.

 

[Nunez]

For me, I believe we’re lacking a mid who can tear a game apart, such as a Dusty Martin, Dangerfield or Fyfe type. Petracca looks like he might be developing in to that type as well.

From this years draft crop, I believe there’s three players who could potentially develop in to such players, if they work hard enough.

They are Elijah Hollands, Nathan O’Driscoll and Eddie Ford.

Hollands could become something like Petracca, albeit a taller more athletic version.

O’Driscoll could develop similar to Clayton Oliver

10

Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

, but with the ability to play outside. However he’ll have to work on his kicking. He has the distance on his kick, but has the accuracy of Dangerfield.

Eddie Ford has all the athletic traits and skills to develop into something similar to Nat Fyfe. The question is more about his consistency and dedication. There’s a very wide gap between his best and worst. Maybe everything clicked for him upstairs this year.

None of these players have shown that they are at that level yet (obviously), but the potential is there.

That will be Rayner in the coming years.

 

[lionshine]

I really like Nik Cox as well and wouldn't be unhappy if we walked away with him this draft.

For those who don't know who I am referring too, below are his highlights courtesy of giantroo. He is 199cm and very athletic for his height with pace and agility, he reads the ball in flight really well and can take a good mark but most impressively as you guys will see are his elite kicking skills off both his left and right feet. Incredible skills not only for a big man but just in general. Not many players have the ability to kick off both feet like he does. I could see him becoming a high quality, tall wingman for us who can provide a link up as a marking target and as someone who can run and carry and deliver the ball inside 50 and kick long goals. He could also push back and help the defenders in the air and at ground level.

 

[chopperduck]

First time i've gone and looked a few highlight clips this year, either of Hollands or Phillips would be great. Hollands looks to be super clean and great with the ball on the ground, looks really well composed with his kicking and picks great options. Heard a little bit of an interview with him as well, speaks really well for a young kid, sounds very driven, motivated and mature. Really talking up his want to move into the midfield, and whilst there are a lot of players who get drafted as 'potential' mids, he really does seem to have a good skill set for it. Would love to have him learning off Neale.

Phillips looks to be a beast, bit of Neale / Selwood, just plows through players to get the ball, super clean and gets some amazing handballs off, not only skill wise, but again, selection wise to actually put someone free from the contest. Again, someone who i'd love to have learning from Neale who himself improved his game to kick the ball more and become more damaging rather than rely on the handball, even though he is a master of it. Only downside to Phillips is his size, another smaller mid... but kinda hard to ignore his clearance and contested ball work. Certainly not a bad kick either, but his highlights are hand ball dominated.

 

[scoman]

I really like Nik Cox as well and wouldn't be unhappy if we walked away with him this draft.

For those who don't know who I am referring too, below are his highlights courtesy of giantroo. He is 199cm and very athletic for his height with pace and agility, he reads the ball in flight really well and can take a good mark but most impressively as you guys will see are his elite kicking skills off both his left and right feet. Incredible skills not only for a big man but just in general. Not many players have the ability to kick off both feet like he does. I could see him becoming a high quality, tall wingman for us who can provide a link up as a marking target and as someone who can run and carry and deliver the ball inside 50 and kick long goals. He could also push back and help the defenders in the air and at ground level.

Yes watching those highlights I can see why (according to his notes on AFL.com) there was a plan to play him at CHB this year. He looks very capable off both sides and looks to move the ball on quickly like Darcy Moore

30

Darcy Moore

Age

29

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

or Hurley. Pretty impressive combine results in both the sprint and the 2km from memory as well. I mentioned him on here a couple of weeks ago, based off my feel that we might need another tall and his Fitzroy and Bears pedigree. Might fall in a difficult spot for us though. Would seem like a bit of a reach if we did trade up to 7 or 8 and might be off the board if we dont and our first slides into the 20's.

 

[wantok]

I really like Nik Cox as well and wouldn't be unhappy if we walked away with him this draft.

For those who don't know who I am referring too, below are his highlights courtesy of giantroo. He is 199cm and very athletic for his height with pace and agility, he reads the ball in flight really well and can take a good mark but most impressively as you guys will see are his elite kicking skills off both his left and right feet. Incredible skills not only for a big man but just in general. Not many players have the ability to kick off both feet like he does. I could see him becoming a high quality, tall wingman for us who can provide a link up as a marking target and as someone who can run and carry and deliver the ball inside 50 and kick long goals. He could also push back and help the defenders in the air and at ground level.

Kid can play. Shows good smarts and A grade skills.

On CPH1920 using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[a mayes ing]

Yes watching those highlights I can see why (according to his notes on AFL.com) there was a plan to play him at CHB this year. He looks very capable off both sides and looks to move the ball on quickly like Darcy Moore

30

Darcy Moore

Age

29

Ht

203cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.1

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

169.1

3star

D

13.9

3star

K

7.3

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

0.7

1star

MG

182.0

3star

D

6.8

2star

K

4.2

2star

HB

2.6

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

87.4

2star

or Hurley. Pretty impressive combine results in both the sprint and the 2km from memory as well. I mentioned him on here a couple of weeks ago, based off my feel that we might need another tall and his Fitzroy and Bears pedigree. Might fall in a difficult spot for us though. Would seem like a bit of a reach if we did trade up to 7 or 8 and might be off the board if we dont and our first slides into the 20's.

Looks to have a wierd kicking action, however seems to be effective. Doesn't seem slow which is good. If he is to transition to a wing, then he might be in the mould of a Blitzas (forgotten how to spell the guys name from Geelong)

 

[Pns_blister]

I really like Nik Cox as well and wouldn't be unhappy if we walked away with him this draft.

For those who don't know who I am referring too, below are his highlights courtesy of giantroo. He is 199cm and very athletic for his height with pace and agility, he reads the ball in flight really well and can take a good mark but most impressively as you guys will see are his elite kicking skills off both his left and right feet. Incredible skills not only for a big man but just in general. Not many players have the ability to kick off both feet like he does. I could see him becoming a high quality, tall wingman for us who can provide a link up as a marking target and as someone who can run and carry and deliver the ball inside 50 and kick long goals. He could also push back and help the defenders in the air and at ground level.

Reminds me a little bit of Ridley, albeit taller.

 

[jackess]

Reminds me a little bit of Ridley, albeit taller.

Ballard?

 

[scoman]

Looks to have a wierd kicking action, however seems to be effective. Doesn't seem slow which is good. If he is to transition to a wing, then he might be in the mould of a Blitzas (forgotten how to spell the guys name from Geelong)

Like the Blicavs comparison and his efforts at the combine suggest Cox is quite a good runner, although not quite in the same league as Blicavs (who is tho?). Watched the video again and some of the weirder looking kicks were when he was squeezing a short kick away off balance etc.... Actually noticed he took set shots for goal off either leg! Not sure which is his prefered?

 

[Section 5]

Draft Central November Power Rankings (top 30) link below for those interested.

Draft Central Power Rankings: November 2020

The Draft Central November Power Rankings are in with no change to the 30 players, but plenty of shuffling across the board for the month.

afl.draftcentral.com.au

This in regard to Cox in November Ranking

#13 Nikolas Cox
Northern Knights/Vic Metro | Key Position Utility
15/01/2002 | 200cm | 87kg

A 200cm player who can run, kick on both sides, and play just about anywhere? It sounds too good to be true, but that is exactly what Cox brings to the table as his region’s most outstanding draft candidate. Cox cut his teeth as a tall wingman and key position swingman in 2019, juggling his time between school football, 10 NAB League outings, and a berth in the Under 18 Vic Metro squad as a bottom-ager. In 2020, the Northern Knights co-captain was set to develop as a centre-half back, with his athleticism and versatility in the role lending to the fact he has an enormous ceiling. He was also set to be a prime candidate to lead Vic Metro this year, lauded for his professionalism and the example he sets via training standards.

October Ranking: #11

Last Month: Cox remains a player with enormous upside despite not featuring on-field in 2020. He was a feature at the Vic Metro Draft Combine, notching a sub-three-second 20-metre sprint, while also completing the 2km time trial in 6:03. That rare athletic base for a player of his size sees him stick within our top 15, even as he shuffles down a couple of spots.

..............

This from Knightmare on the main board in reply to a pick around 12

Reid and Cox are the two talls around that Fremantle pick who will be considered. Reid may/may not be available, Cox probably will be. Reid is more a key defender/ruck. While Cox is more a tall wing/key forward. If I have a pick inside the top-20, they're guys I'd let others take, and pass on. After 20, I could justify a Cox relatively more. But I'd much rather a Jackson Callow later on if I don't have a top-2 pick to get a Logan McDonald this year and can't get anything during the trade period.
I'd much rather a Carroll or Cook with that pick. For me it's a reach and too speculative to go for a Reid/Cox given no play this year to track their rate of improvement, as two guys you're drafting off of attributes rather than performance from 2019, which isn't for me enough to justify such an early selection.

Allison and McMahon aren't on my draft board but Shannon Neale is. Neale is intriguing given his combination of rate of improvement in combination with his athleticism. I see Neale as a ruckman rather than a key forward, with his height/athleticism combination interesting me as a good leaper, but then also a good speed/endurance athlete. If he gets stronger without losing his athleticism, I'm interested once he hits his mid 20s how his game can transform.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Cox has grown a cm and 5kg's since last year. Could end up the biggest wing/flanker in the league. Looks a good package but do we need him?

 

[scoman]

Cox has grown a cm and 5kg's since last year. Could end up the biggest wing/flanker in the league. Looks a good package but do we need him?

I think we are in a position that any player taken in the draft over the next couple of years will struggle to debut. With that in mind I think we just go with the most talented kid at our pick. This kid looks like he could be become a monster with his height, speed, endurance and ability on both sides. Having said that he probs won't make it to our picks as it stands.

 

[briztoon]

I would really like us to take 3 picks to the draft, with one pick around 30.

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[Quigley]

This year there are a few rucks floating about which is unusual. I would grab one and get the development started.

 

[SizeMatters]

Heath Chapman is my man this year. Think this kid is going to be amazing. Has everything you want in a young bloke. Think he could start as a intercepting 3rd tall defender but transition to the midfield or wing. Mark my words, he will be a 200 gamer.

 

[Nuggo]

Interesting discussion on the trade radio - how often does giving up two first rounders work. This was around getting in a player for two first. On analysis a lot you wouldn't do again. We are in a slightly different position as our picks are both late picks and if we can sneak into the top 8 it may well be worth it.