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Still VERY early, players will go up and down the rankings a lot more than usual this year.

I'd be surprised if more than 15 of those 25 were in Cal's final 25.
If we don’t see the Vics play this year, and no National Championships, outside of the State draft combines, I’m not sure what else there is that will cause lots of movement on recruiters draft boards.

It’s genuinely hard to gage a lot of the SA and WA talent, and where they sit in the draft pool, without the Vics playing.

Apart from McDonald rising from somewhere in the top 20 to a potential top 5 pick, there’s only 3 or 4 SA and WA kids who have entered top 20 discussions, and some of that should be tempered, because the Vic kids they’ve potentially pushed out are talented themselves, and it may only be a lack of consistency or dedication as a 17 year old, that has seen them slip down.

I’m waiting to see what condition the Vic kids are in, when they turn up to their draft combine.
 

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AFL Draft 2020: The Top 25 prospects outside Victoria present a key position goldmine

If your side is in the hunt for a key forward or defender to help propel it up the ladder in the future, you’re in luck — there is a veritable smorgasbord of key position talent running around outside of Victoria. Here are the 25 best.
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Logan McDonald is shaping as the prospective No.1 AFL draft pick in 2020.
Logan McDonald is shaping as the prospective No.1 AFL draft pick in 2020.
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He is the talk of the WAFL and has quickly become this year’s AFL draft bolter.

Western Australia under-18s coach and former West Coast forward Peter Sumich had Perth’s Logan McDonald flagged as a likely first-round draft pick entering this year.

Many recruiters now have the key forward as a top-three selection.

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Unlike draft hopefuls in Victoria, McDonald has been able to play football in the WAFL this year and has grabbed the opportunity with both hands.
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From six games playing against men, the 18-year-old has kicked 17 goals to lead the competition’s goalkicking table.
He is also averaging 13.2 disposals, five marks (2.8 contested) and 112 SuperCoach ranking points.
“If you’re talking about a bolter in the top-end, he’s the one,” Sumich told News Corp.


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“He’s just really taken the next step. We’d seen that in his pre-season camps. We had a camp either side of Christmas and you could see that he was developing from the year before.
“Not too many kids at 18 can go to WAFL level and average two or three goals and take half a dozen marks as a power forward. I don’t like putting a lot of pressure on, but you’d think he would go in the top-five if not top-three right now.”

McDonald is one of a healthy crop of West Australian talent this year, with as many as five players considered potential top-20 selections.
South Australia also has no shortage of gems that have been given their chance to shine in the SANFL this year, while Tasmania, New South Wales and Queensland also have plenty of top-40 talent in a draft that is considered to be strong, particularly when it comes to key-position players.
“There’s good depth. It’s strong for key position,” one recruiter said.
“It’s a pretty good draft for a whole range of different types of players.”

25 OF THE BEST KIDS FROM OUTSIDE VICTORIA

LOGAN MCDONALD (PERTH/WA)
Forward
H: 196cm
W: 85kg
Has lifted his name on the draft boards of many clubs after an outstanding start to the WAFL season this year. From six games, the key forward has kicked 17 goals to lead the competition’s goalkicking table, while also averaging 13.2 disposals, five marks (2.8 contested) and 112 SuperCoach ranking points. A member of the Australian under-17 side last year, McDonald is mobile, a great mark above his head and has good goal sense. He also played three games for Western Australia at the under-18 national championships last year as a 17-year-old, rating above-average for ranking points (75 a game), score involvements (five a game) and goals (one a game).

Plenty of clubs are tipped to be wild about Riley Thilthorpe. Picture: Sarah Reed
Plenty of clubs are tipped to be wild about Riley Thilthorpe. Picture: Sarah Reed
RILEY THILTHORPE (WEST ADELAIDE/SOUTH AUSTRALIA)
Key forward
H: 201cm
W: 102kg
Widely considered South Australia’s best prospect this year, Thilthorpe is expected to be a top-five draft selection. The athletic key forward can also spend time in the ruck and has drawn comparisons to Collingwood star Brodie Grundy for his athleticism and ball-winning ability. From nine senior SANFL games this year, Thilthorpe has averaged 11.9 disposals, 4.1 marks (1.6 contested), 3.4 score involvements and kicked five goals despite often playing high up the ground as a marking target on a wing. Recruiters view Thilthorpe as a player with enormous upside.



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DENVER GRAINGER-BARRAS (SWAN DISTRICTS/WESTERN AUSTRALIA)
Key defender
H: 195cm
W: 78kg
Like fellow West Australian product Logan McDonald, Grainger-Barras has impressed playing senior WAFL football this year. The backman has averaged 9.8 disposals, 4.3 marks, 6.8 intercept possessions, 4.5 spoils and 73 SuperCoach ranking points to rank as one of the best key defenders in the competition despite having only turned 18 in April. He reads the play well and is good one-on-one but is still considered a little skinny and is working to develop his and fill out his big frame. Grainger-Barras had also played two games for Western Australia as a bottom-age player at the under-18 national championships last year, averaging eight intercept possessions and five intercepts marks to rate elite in both categories.
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Sydney Swans Academy member Braeden Campbell is a classy midfielder. Picture: AFL Photos)
Sydney Swans Academy member Braeden Campbell is a classy midfielder. Picture: AFL Photos)
BRAEDEN CAMPBELL (SWANS ACADEMY/ALLIES)
Midfielder
H: 179cm
W: 71kg
It is shaping as another bumper draft for Sydney, which could have a top-four pick as well as snapping up two highly rated Next Generation Academy members in Campbell and Errol Gulden. A talented midfielder, Campbell won the best-on-ground medal in the U17 All Stars game on AFL Grand Final Day last year with a 14-disposal and three-goal performance. The best-on-ground in the corresponding game in 2018 was none other than Gold Coast Suns gun Matt Rowell. Campbell joined the Swans Academy at under-11s level and recruiters see him as a player with elite attacking traits, genuine speed and a strong goal sense. He averaged 15.8 disposals, two goals and 123 SuperCoach ranking points from four NAB League games last year, while also impressing during three senior NEAFL matches late in the season.
LACHLAN JONES (POWER ACADEMY/WOODVILLE-WEST TORRENS/SA)
Defender/midfielder
H: 185cm
W: 88kg
A member of Port Adelaide’s Next Generation Academy, Jones is expected to attract an early bid. A rebounding defender, he made his senior SANFL debut for Woodville-West Torrens in Round 1 this year and has not missed a game since. From his 10 matches he is averaging 11.3 disposals, 3.2 rebound 50s, 5.7 intercept possessions and 3.5 tackles. A penetrating and quality kick, Jones is also quick, strong and thrives in one-on-one contests. In the SANFL under-18s in 2019 he was the second-ranked defender in the league, rating elite for disposals (19.7 a game), intercept possessions (8.8 a game), contested possessions (10.2 a game) and spoils (3.5 a game).



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NATHAN O’DRISCOLL (PERTH/WA)
Midfielder
H: 187cm
W: 76kg
A competitive beast in the midfield, O’Driscoll is continuing to take his game to new heights. He made his senior WAFL debut this year and was relatively quiet with seven disposals and one goal. But the very next week O’Driscoll came out and had 20 disposals (14 contested), as well as winning four clearances, six tackles and recording two score assists. There are still areas for O’Driscoll to work on, but his ball-winning ability and fierce tackling and pressure game has him in the conversation as a top-15 prospect. As a bottom-age player last year, he also played three games for WA at the under-18 national championships, ranking above average for contested possessions (eight a game), pressure points (58 a game) and tackles (6.7 a game).
Alex Davies had been training with the Gold Coast Suns earlier this year as a member of their Academy. Picture: Brendan Radke
Alex Davies had been training with the Gold Coast Suns earlier this year as a member of their Academy. Picture: Brendan Radke
ALEX DAVIES (GOLD COAST ACADEMY/CAIRNS/ALLIES)
H: 191cm
W: 85kg
Midfielder
A free kick for the Gold Coast Suns, who are able to automatically list this Academy talent before the draft under concessions they received in 2019. The Suns did the same thing with 2020 Rising Star nominee and long-time Academy member Connor Budarick last year. Davies has not had as much exposed form as some players this year due to an elbow injury which saw him miss the Northern Academy Series. However, recruiters still see him as a modern day big-bodied midfielder that every club would be interested in. Across four NAB League games in 2019, Davies showed his knack of winning the ball at stoppages and using it cleanly, averaging 18 disposals and 3.8 clearances. The former junior basketball star also played seven senior NEAFL games last year.
HEATH CHAPMAN (WEST PERTH/WA)
H: 193cm
W: 81kg
Key defender
Some have Chapman in the conversation to be a top-10 pick after taking huge strides forward with his game this year. Unlike some West Australian state Academy teammates, he is not playing senior WAFL football. However, the reason for that is put down to the fact West Perth is flying in second spot on the ladder. Instead captaining West Perth’s Colts team, Chapman is averaging 23 disposals, 7.5 marks, 10.5 intercept possessions and 4.8 spoils. He sits as the second-ranked player in the competition by the statisticians, averaging 139 SuperCoach ranking points. Injury was the only reason Chapman did not play for his state in the under-18 national championships last year, but he did feature in the under-17 All Stars game on AFL Grand Final day.
ERROL GULDEN (SYDNEY SWANS ACADEMY/ALLIES)
Midfielder/forward
H: 171cm
W: 71kg
The second of two talented members of the Sydney Swans Academy this year. A high-impact small forward or midfielder, Gulden has been a member of the Academy since under-11s. During the under-16 national championships in 2018 he was best afield against Northern Territory, logging 38 disposals and five goals in a match that put him on the map. While on the smaller side at just 171cm, recruiters like his competitive edge. Gulden played four games of the national under-18 championships as a bottom-age player last year, averaging 15 disposals, 3.8 inside-50s. 4.3 score involvements and kicking three goals. He also spent time last season playing senior NEAFL football and NAB League.



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LUKE EDWARDS (GLENELG/SA)
Midfielder/defender
H: 187cm
W: 78kg
The son of Adelaide dual-premiership player Tyson Edwards — who played 321 games for the Crows — the younger Edwards is eligible as a father-son selection. However, he is yet to commit to Adelaide. Edwards caught the eye for South Australia as a bottom-age player at the under-18 national championships last year, averaging 18.8 disposals and 86 SuperCoach ranking points. He played the first three rounds in the under-18s for Glenelg this year but has since stepped up to make his senior SANFL debut in Round 7. Considered a smooth mover and elite decision maker who reads the play well, Edwards is hard-at-it and can also go forward and kick a goal.
Luke Edwards is a father-son prospect for Adelaide. Picture: Dean Martin
Luke Edwards is a father-son prospect for Adelaide. Picture: Dean Martin
JOEL JEFFREY (GOLD COAST SUNS ACADEMY/WANDERERS/NT)
Forward/defender
H: 192cm
W: 78kg
There are no shortage of clubs interested in Jeffrey, but the Suns will get first crack as a member of their Academy. The Darwin product is the son of Russell Jeffrey, who played 42 games for St Kilda and eight games for the Brisbane Bears between 1987 and 1992. Recruiters see the swingman as a special talent given his ability to play at either end of the ground and his marking ability and silky skills. Jeffrey made his senior NTFL debut for Wanderers at just age 16 in the 2018/19 season and continued his improvement last year. He averaged three marks, 2.7 intercept marks and 5.7 intercept possessions from three matches at the under-18 national championships in 2019.
ZANE TREW (SWAN DISTRICTS/WA)
Midfielder
H: 187cm
W: 78kg
The tough inside midfielder logged 41 disposals (21 contested), six clearances and 10 tackles in his last game of 2019 in the WAFL Colts before a shoulder injury ended his season. However, that has not put recruiters off, with Trew still considered a potential first-round pick. Likened to Richmond captain Trent Cotchin, Trew has bounced back to play five WAFL Colts games so far this year. He is averaging 24.2 disposals, 4.8 clearances, 5.2 tackles and 113 SuperCoach ranking points. A good size for a modern midfielder and classy by hand and foot, Trew is seen by some as an ultimate professional who works hard and loves the contest.
KAINE BALDWIN (GLENELG/SA)
Key forward
H: 194cm
W: 93kg
On talent, Baldwin is seen as one of the best in this year’s draft pool. But he is expected to slip down the order a little due to injury, with a second knee reconstruction in as many years wiping out his 2020 campaign. Baldwin has been on the radar of many clubs since he captained South Australia in the under-16 national championships in 2018 and averaged 15 disposals, 6.7 marks, 117 SuperCoach ranking points and kicked six goals from three games. Likened to Richmond’s Tom Lynch, Baldwin is an elite runner with strong hands and also boasts leadership skills. But how AFL clubs view him now given the injury history remains to be seen.
JACK CARROLL (EAST FREMANTLE/WA)
Midfielder
H: 188cm
W: 79kg
Yet another West Australian product in the mix to be a top-30 pick and potentially even first-round selection. Carroll is a consistent, composed and makes good decisions. He has also taken his game to another level this year. The midfielder has played six WAFL Colts games for East Fremantle, averaging 24 disposals, 5.3 clearances, six score involvements and 130 SuperCoach ranking points. The numbers put Carroll as the fourth-ranked player in the under-18s competition this year and a Round 7 game in which he logged 31 disposals, eight clearances, seven score involvements and kicked two goals certainly helped further push his case as a top prospect.
Central District forward Corey Durdin has been highly touted since under-16s. Picture: Mike Burton
Central District forward Corey Durdin has been highly touted since under-16s. Picture: Mike Burton
COREY DURDIN (CENTRAL DISTRICTS/SA)
Forward/midfielder
H: 172cm
W: 71kg
Durdin won the Kevin Sheehan Medal as the best player at the 2018 under-16 national championships and has continued to grow and develop as a player ever since. While on the smaller side, he makes up for what he lacks in height with elite skills, clean hands and an excellent ability to win contests at ground level. Durdin models his game on former North Melbourne champion Brent Harvey and has an explosiveness in the way he plays. He played three games for South Australia as a bottom-age player at the under-18 national championships last year, averaging 7.3 disposals, four tackles and kicking four goals. He has spent this year playing senior SANFL football and is averaging 11.3 disposals, three marks, 3.4 score involvements and 0.9 goals from eight games
ZAC DUMESNY (SOUTH ADELAIDE/SA)
Midfielder/Defender
H: 188cm
W: 80kg
An ankle injury has interrupted Dumesny’s season, which had started a little up and down playing senior SANFL football. But he remains a highly-rated player who is composed, classy, great in the air and reads the play well. A ball-winning but largely outside midfielder now, Dumesny is seen as a player who could eventually become a quality rebounding halfback at AFL level. From six senior SANFL games this year he has averaged 13.7 disposals, 5.7 marks and 2.8 score involvements.
Clarence's Oliver Davis has attracted plenty of interest since a huge 2019 season. Picture: Zak Simmonds
Clarence's Oliver Davis has attracted plenty of interest since a huge 2019 season. Picture: Zak Simmonds
OLIVER DAVIS (CLARENCE/TASMANIA DEVILS/ALLIES)
Midfielder
H: 182cm
W: 75kg
A midfield bull, Davis is attracting a bit of interest after being among the best-performing bottom-age players in the country last year. One of three co-captains for the Tasmanian Devils, Davis played 13 NAB League games and was a runaway winner of the NAB League side’s best-and-fairest award. Strong and agile in the contest, the onballer rated elite last season for total ranking points (130 a game), clearances (5.5 a game) and tackles (7.8 a game). He has again caught the eye of recruiters while playing senior football in the Tasmanian State League this year and has been named among the best players for Clarence in three of his six games.
TOM POWELL (STURT/SA)
Midfielder
H: 180cm
W: 70kg
The son of former Adelaide player Matthew Powell, who played 16 games for the Crows before becoming a premiership player for Sturt. After an injury-riddled past two years, the ball magnet is finally fit and firing and has already been interviewed by all 18 AFL clubs, such is the interest. Clean and great in traffic, Powell has yet to earn a senior SANFL debut but has been tearing up the under-18 competition. From nine games this year, he has averaged 37.3 disposals, 5.8 inside-50s, 9.1 clearances, 10.7 score involvements and 4.3 tackles. He has also booted seven goals and logged 15 score assists. The numbers have Powell as the top-ranked player in the competition, averaging 166 SuperCoach ranking points.





CALEB POULTER (WOODVILLE-WEST TORRENS/SA)
Midfielder/forward
H: 191cm
W: 74kg
Poulter is a unique player who can rack up the ball through the midfield but is also a strong overhead mark in attack. His long left-foot kick is a major strength and he has improved his contested ball work at ground level. Poulter has played nine SANFL under-18s games this year, averaging 25.9 disposals, 5.8 marks, four clearances and 0.9 goals a game. He is the third-ranked player in the competition for total output, averaging 137 SuperCoach ranking points to attract high levels of interest from AFL clubs.
JACKSON CALLOW (NORTH LAUNCESTON/TASMANIAN DEVILS/ALLIES)
Key forward
H: 193cm
W: 94kg
A mobile and agile key forward, Callow is quick on his feet and strong above his head. He proved to be one of the best bottom-age key forwards in the NAB League last season, kicking 24 goals from 14 games while also ranking elite for disposals (13.5 a game), contested marks (2.7 a game) and forward-50 marks (3.1 a game). Callow has stepped up to senior football in the Tasmanian State League this year and continues to impress, kicking eight goals from seven matches and being named among North Launceston’s two best players on the ground on three separate occasions.
BRANDON WALKER (FREMANTLE ACADEMY/EAST FREMANTLE/WA)
Defender
H: 184cm
W: 75kg
A rebounding half-back flanker, Walker possesses serious speed, has a great vertical leap and is considered by some to be a top-40 pick or higher. He reads the play well and has been going nicely in the WAFL Colts, averaging 18.8 disposals, five marks, 5.3 intercept possessions and 2.3 tackles a game. A member of Fremantle’s Next Generation Academy — which produced classy forward Liam Henry last year — Walker has been on the radar of many since earning All-Australian honours at under-16 level.
JOEL WESTERN (FREMANTLE ACADEMY/CLAREMONT/WA)
Midfielder
H: 172cm
W: 67kg
Another Next Generation Academy member for the Dockers, Western is a wingman or onballer who is also producing a strong season at WAFL Colts level. He played in the under-17 All Stars match on AFL Grand Final Day last year and is an exciting player who possesses speed and agility. Western has played four under-18 games for Claremont this season, averaging 22 disposals, 3.5 clearances, 4.8 inside 50s and one goal a game.
Tasmania’s Sam Collins has been likened to Geelong star Tom Stewart. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones
Tasmania’s Sam Collins has been likened to Geelong star Tom Stewart. Picture: Nikki Davis-Jones
SAM COLLINS (NORTH HOBART/TASMANIAN DEVILS/ALLIES)
Defender
H: 188cm
W: 85kg
A defender who has been likened to Geelong’s Tom Stewart given his ability to read the ball well and, more importantly, intercept it. He is reliable one-on-one and will drop off where needed to help a teammate. Collins played 13 NAB League games last season and ranked elite for disposals (17.4 a game), marks (5.4 a game) and intercept marks (2.1 a game). He has played seven games of senior football in the Tasmanian State League this year and continues to improve.
PATRICK WALKER (NORTH HOBART/TASMANIAN DEVILS/ALLIES)
Defender
H: 186cm
W: 80kg
A rebounding defender, Walker is a clever ball user who can also play a role on a wing and shapes as one of the Apple Isle’s hottest talents this year. In his bottom-age year in the NAB League in 2019, Walker played all 16 games and averaged 16.6 disposals, 5.5 rebound 50s, 3.8 marks and 4.7 intercept possessions. He has been a consistent performer playing senior Tasmanian State League football this year and was best afield for North Hobart against Lauderdale in Round 8.
JARED DAKIN (LAUNCESTON/TASMANIAN DEVILS/ALLIES)
Midfielder
H: 182cm
W: 88kg
One of the older players still playing underage football, Dakin was eligible for last year’s draft but shoulder surgery in November 2018 wiped out most of his 2019 season. One of three co-captains for the Tasmanian Devils last year, he returned for only the final game of NAB League season but hit the ground running to record 25 disposals (12 contested), eight clearances, eight score involvements and kick one goal. An endurance athlete who can run all day, the 19-year-old has played all eight senior games for the ladder-leading Launceston in the Tasmanian State League and has caught the eye on more than one occasion.
 

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Clarence's Oliver Davis has attracted plenty of interest since a huge 2019 season. Picture: Zak Simmonds's Oliver Davis has attracted plenty of interest since a huge 2019 season. Picture: Zak Simmonds
Clarence's Oliver Davis has attracted plenty of interest since a huge 2019 season. Picture: Zak Simmonds
OLIVER DAVIS (CLARENCE/TASMANIA DEVILS/ALLIES)
Midfielder
H: 182cm
W: 75kg
A midfield bull, Davis is attracting a bit of interest after being among the best-performing bottom-age players in the country last year. One of three co-captains for the Tasmanian Devils, Davis played 13 NAB League games and was a runaway winner of the NAB League side’s best-and-fairest award. Strong and agile in the contest, the onballer rated elite last season for total ranking points (130 a game), clearances (5.5 a game) and tackles (7.8 a game). He has again caught the eye of recruiters while playing senior football in the Tasmanian State League this year and has been named among the best players for Clarence in three of his six games.
Scott Bamford look a like.
 

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JACK CARROLL (EAST FREMANTLE/WA)
Midfielder
H: 188cm
W: 79kg
Yet another West Australian product in the mix to be a top-30 pick and potentially even first-round selection. Carroll is a consistent, composed and makes good decisions. He has also taken his game to another level this year. The midfielder has played six WAFL Colts games for East Fremantle, averaging 24 disposals, 5.3 clearances, six score involvements and 130 SuperCoach ranking points. The numbers put Carroll as the fourth-ranked player in the under-18s competition this year and a Round 7 game in which he logged 31 disposals, eight clearances, seven score involvements and kicked two goals certainly helped further push his case as a top prospect.
I like him even more after reading that. Also liking what I'm hearing about a lot of the Tasmanians like Pat Walker and Callow.
 

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Absolutely.

It had become farcical and club's, like any good organisation operating within their bonds of constraints, exploited it within the rules as you'd expect, despite it going against the spirit of the NGA's intentions.

How indigenous kids ever became eligible was a joke, particularly someone like Chris Johnson's boy, Lachie who'd been brought up on the game probably more than any other kid going around.
Surely it was common sense that if your dad played AFL or a state league you should be exempt
 

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I like him even more after reading that. Also liking what I'm hearing about a lot of the Tasmanians like Pat Walker and Callow.
Callow is the very definition of a man child, who I fear lacks the athleticism to compete against the best AFL defenders. Imagine an earth bound Charlie Dixon.
 

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He looks like he's doing alright in the TSL against grown men, playing in defence.
We’ve had this discussion on the draft board about playing against grown men in the State leagues compared to playing men in the AFL.

As I mentioned, he’s a man child, so physically has a similar body.

Watch the men he’s playing against. Few are the same size as Callow.

Same with McDonald in WA. It’s been commented on that there are very few big defenders, grown men, in WA actually capable of matching it with McDonald either.
 

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We’ve had this discussion on the draft board about playing against grown men in the State leagues compared to playing men in the AFL.

As I mentioned, he’s a man child, so physically has a similar body.

Watch the men he’s playing against. Few are the same size as Callow.

Same with McDonald in WA. It’s been commented on that there are very few big defenders, grown men, in WA actually capable of matching it with McDonald either.
That sounds crazy. Don’t get me wrong I know that both boys genetically and also through hard work have size however they are playing against grown men in the top leagues within the state. You would think that they would take it pretty seriously themselves.
 

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That sounds crazy. Don’t get me wrong I know that both boys genetically and also through hard work have size however they are playing against grown men in the top leagues within the state. You would think that they would take it pretty seriously themselves.
No one like to get beaten by a kid 3,4,5 years younger than you.
 

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Has some very likeable aspects to his game and really should be rated higher than he is. I wouldn't be shocked to see him as the first Tasmanian taken this year with his upside and versatility. Hoping GWS take him if he lasts that long, reads the game well and has smooth skills, probably just lacking a bit of speed compared to what people want for a Winger
 

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That sounds crazy. Don’t get me wrong I know that both boys genetically and also through hard work have size however they are playing against grown men in the top leagues within the state. You would think that they would take it pretty seriously themselves.
Do you remember watching Darcy Fogarty playing SANFL in his top age year, before he got injured.

He was rag dolling and running through grown men. He rarely came up against men much larger than him. That’s not the case when these players get to the AFL.

Same with Will Gould last year.

You want to see abilities or skills other than just sheer size, that these kids use to outperform grown men.

I’m just trying to say to look at each kid individually and the men they’re playing against.

It’s not like they’re playing against AFL reserve quality players this year.

It’s a bit different to watching Rankine or Lukosius playing in the SANFL where they don’t have the body to compete against grown men, but it’s obvious their skills and what they can do on the field surpasses the men they’re playing against.
 

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Steph Conole on this weeks road to the draft.

Conole's 5 pick 1 contenders- JUH, Hollands, McDonald, Grainger-Barras, Thilthorpe. Interesting that 4 of them are KPP, surprised Will Phillips not in the mix. He didn't sound too upbeat about our academy guys.

I wonder if we could trade our 2 1st round picks for one higher up, the Bulldogs may be an option with their academy boy likely to be bid on in the top 2, hopefully they miss the 8... and by as far as possible, if so we may be a chance to snag one of our top 5 rated kids.
 

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Conole's 5 pick 1 contenders- JUH, Hollands, McDonald, Grainger-Barras, Thilthorpe. Interesting that 4 of them are KPP, surprised Will Phillips not in the mix. He didn't sound too upbeat about our academy guys.

I wonder if we could trade our 2 1st round picks for one higher up, the Bulldogs may be an option with their academy boy likely to be bid on in the top 2, hopefully they miss the 8... and by as far as possible, if so we may be a chance to snag one of our top 5 rated kids.
I’m not sure it’s a surprise he didn’t mention Phillips. Nor did he mention JUH, Twomey did.

If it’s a shortened draft due to list reductions, I’d be surprised if more than one or two of our academy kids get a look in. Nor would I expect Conole to talk up any current academy kids, unless we had a genuine top 5 contender, and our draft pick was much later.


I’ve mentioned before I would be keen to move up to the Bulldogs pick. Take the best mid or mid forward, and draft a ruck or match a bid on Blake Coleman with our third round pick.

Conole voluntarily mentioned Finlay Macrae, so I’d almost cross him off our list as a potential draftee.
 

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We're going to end up with 2 pretty late first rounders. But I think that this year, that's better than trading up the draft. Ordinarily, Picks 17 and 18 might get you pick 11ish.

This year, recruiters are far more likely to have varied opinions. Far less known info around the place, far more likely that someone who might ordinarily go in the 5-10 range might be underappreciated. Having two early stabs at it is better than 1 sorta early stab for mine. Long term, far more likely that this draft will have some outliers.
 

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I’m not sure it’s a surprise he didn’t mention Phillips. Nor did he mention JUH, Twomey did.

If it’s a shortened draft due to list reductions, I’d be surprised if more than one or two of our academy kids get a look in. Nor would I expect Conole to talk up any current academy kids, unless we had a genuine top 5 contender, and our draft pick was much later.

I’ve mentioned before I would be keen to move up to the Bulldogs pick. Take the best mid or mid forward, and draft a ruck or match a bid on Blake Coleman with our third round pick.

Conole voluntarily mentioned Finlay Macrae, so I’d almost cross him off our list as a potential draftee.
Of the academy boys I have seen this year and last, Carter Michael is the one I would be taking. Excellent read of the play, very good judge of the ball in the air, strong overhead and a clean user of the football. One of those players who can create time and space for himself.

He has a long accurate kick and the vision to find the right target. Also a strong tackler. Perhaps importantly, I think he has a skill set that lends itself to a few different roles but I think he is the type of player to replace Rich.

Blake Coleman would be next in line but I think I would have Carter ahead of Blake personally because of Carter’s greater versatility and game sense.
 

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Of the academy boys I have seen this year and last, Carter Michael is the one I would be taking. Excellent read of the play, very good judge of the ball in the air, strong overhead and a clean user of the football. One of those players who can create time and space for himself.

He has a long accurate kick and the vision to find the right target. Also a strong tackler. Perhaps importantly, I think he has a skill set that lends itself to a few different roles but I think he is the type of player to replace Rich.

Blake Coleman would be next in line but I think I would have Carter ahead of Blake personally because of Carter’s greater versatility and game sense.
Supposedly B.Coleman was better than Kidean. Dunno if he has stalled or something
 

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With the injury to Harris. I am going early to say this is the player the lions should look at. With their picks. Another huge tall is desperately needed to help out Harris. I love what I have seen in terms of the footag.
Quote 15 Zach Reid
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A versatile tall who could push for top 10 status, Reid returned a consistent output during his bottom-age season as a key member of Gippsland’s spine. He was tried up either end and through the ruck across 15 NAB League outings, but looked most comfortable down back and should find a home there once again in 2020. At 202cm, Reid is filling out nicely and can utilise that added strength to compete better one-on-one against big key forwards. He is a terrific judge of the ball in flight and positions intelligently, not just relying on his height to compete aerially. Reid is also both a sound handler and user of the ball for his size, providing a cool head in rebounding transitions.
 

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With the injury to Harris. I am going early to say this is the player the lions should look at. With their picks. Another huge tall is desperately needed to help out Harris. I love what I have seen in terms of the footag.
Quote 15 Zach Reid
Gippsland Power/Vic Country | Key Position Defender/Utility
2/03/2002 | 202cm | 82kg


A versatile tall who could push for top 10 status, Reid returned a consistent output during his bottom-age season as a key member of Gippsland’s spine. He was tried up either end and through the ruck across 15 NAB League outings, but looked most comfortable down back and should find a home there once again in 2020. At 202cm, Reid is filling out nicely and can utilise that added strength to compete better one-on-one against big key forwards. He is a terrific judge of the ball in flight and positions intelligently, not just relying on his height to compete aerially. Reid is also both a sound handler and user of the ball for his size, providing a cool head in rebounding transitions.
Not sure he'll help much this year though. ;)
 

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With the injury to Harris. I am going early to say this is the player the lions should look at. With their picks. Another huge tall is desperately needed to help out Harris. I love what I have seen in terms of the footag.
Quote 15 Zach Reid
Gippsland Power/Vic Country | Key Position Defender/Utility
2/03/2002 | 202cm | 82kg


A versatile tall who could push for top 10 status, Reid returned a consistent output during his bottom-age season as a key member of Gippsland’s spine. He was tried up either end and through the ruck across 15 NAB League outings, but looked most comfortable down back and should find a home there once again in 2020. At 202cm, Reid is filling out nicely and can utilise that added strength to compete better one-on-one against big key forwards. He is a terrific judge of the ball in flight and positions intelligently, not just relying on his height to compete aerially. Reid is also both a sound handler and user of the ball for his size, providing a cool head in rebounding transitions.
I’d prefer Nikolas Cox, if we were to go a KPD, but he’s probably gone before our picks.
 

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