Unofficial Preview 2020 Draft Discussion

[Wingnut19]

The more research I do the more I want us to hold our draft positions and use the 3 picks in the 40s on underage Vic kids who were poised to break out this year. Just read and article on Luke Cleary who they said is very similar to Day and was looking at being a bolter this year, but should go late now due to lack of exposure. Same with Connor Stone etc. I reckon we could strike gold. Day wasn't even in our top 50 at start of last year
! Imagine getting a couple of players like him in 40s.Most clubs will be matching bids so our picks will likely come in.

 

[Roby]

his best position is as a ruck, he could be a tall forw, but its not his best position imo and it also boosts his profile

here he is mostly as a ruck

I've seen the highlights but I am interested in hearing from anyone if you've watched full games of Thilthorpe.

 

[PAOKTSIS]

Franklin was a star tall forw for WA kicking 60m goals and showing the speed and agility that highlighted his career, Thilthorpe is a contested mark with good endurance and with a bit of speed for a big man and some tricks, the only reason buddy went 5th was because he had attitude which worried some clubs, from what I remember, as for Thilthorpe, he seems like a decent prospect, but as Knightmare says, I'd let someone else pick him, good talent, but there's better on offer.

If you had a choice between Thilthorpe or Hollands, would you choose Hollands?

 

[Wingnut19]

his best position is as a ruck, he could be a tall forw, but its not his best position imo and it also boosts his profile

here he is mostly as a ruck




P.S. rumours are his calf injury could be ostietis pubis? they are rumours so not confirmed

Sold. Looks a jet.
Also, Hodgey had OP as well when we drafted him. Just saying

 

[Pessimistic]

I'm not sure what you mean by "talent" but if you are talking about skills, Deledio was by far considered the best prospect.

A certain board declared that a tiny bloke was the best of them all. cant remember the name except human highlight reel

 

[Davo-27]

If you had a choice between Thilthorpe or Hollands, would you choose Hollands?

i'd pick Phillips ahead of those 2 which isnt a popular opinion around here, but i think any of the top 7 would be fine pick ups, just depends on what the club wants.

 

[Billyc]

I don't follow the criticism of Thilthorpe at all. I accept he's higher risk/reward than McDonald but McDonald won't be there. On those highlights, he moves well, marks well, is very agile and seems really good at ground level. Seems to kick goals in multiple ways too - lead out, pack mark and snap from a contest. I like that as it means he's not one dimensional.

Reminds me of a more strongly built Kreuzer, who would have been a superstar but for his constant injuries (whether ruck, midfield or forward). I think Thilthorpe has as much upside as anyone. The risk is that he ends up one of these in-between types like Peter Wright or Harry McKay

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Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

. That might stop him going pick 1 but every pick comes with risk. I have him behind only Hollands as the guy I want at 4 (McDonald no chance). I see them as the two guys with the best upside, with McDonald, DGB and Phillips as the safer choices.

 

[Davo-27]

Sold. Looks a jet.
Also, Hodgey had OP as well when we drafted him. Just saying

a point of notice that you dont see in these reels is his lack of production, as someone mentioned, he averaged 11 disposals and 0.5 goals a game playing half as a tall forw and half as a backup ruck, also i dont know his hit out numbers, but they arent great either, so his production is a little low for a top end pick, theres good points and bad points for him, whereas for others there are more good than bad, thats why i believe he is more at the back end of the top 7 imo.

 

[Davo-27]

I don't follow the criticism of Thilthorpe at all. I accept he's higher risk/reward than McDonald but McDonald won't be there. On those highlights, he moves well, marks well, is very agile and seems really good at ground level. Seems to kick goals in multiple ways too - lead out, pack mark and snap from a contest. I like that as it means he's not one dimensional.

Reminds me of a more strongly built Kreuzer, who would have been a superstar but for his constant injuries (whether ruck, midfield or forward). I think Thilthorpe has as much upside as anyone. The risk is that he ends up one of these in-between types like Peter Wright or Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

. That might stop him going pick 1 but every pick comes with risk. I have him behind only Hollands as the guy I want at 4 (McDonald no chance). I see them as the two guys with the best upside, with McDonald, DGB and Phillips as the safer choices.

everyone tells me he is a KPF, i said he looked like Kreuzer and is mainly a ruck, im glad others see it too.

i think its his low production(lack of goals and disposals and hit outs) and constant calf injuries that could hold him back

 

[HODGEYROAD]

I'm not sure what you mean by "talent" but if you are talking about skills, Deledio was by far considered the best prospect.

Highest ceiling.

 

[Billyc]

everyone tells me he is a KPF, i said he looked like Kreuzer and is mainly a ruck, im glad others see it too.

i think its his low production(lack of goals and disposals and hit outs) and constant calf injuries that could hold him back

I think if he got a fair run at his career Kreuzer would have been a gun forward/ruck and essentially ruck rover. Almost a bit like how we used Roughy over various times in his career. Injuries ruined him.

I think you're right re: Thilthorpe's actual numbers. He's not the safest bet but his upside looks really high to me. Similar criticism has been levelled at Hollands regarding production numbers and that he hasn't proven his midfield credentials regularly. I see them as two guys who come with higher risk but possibly the highest reward. Put another way, if there are any guys in this draft I think might one day could be top 20 players in the comp (not including JUH), I think they could be if they absolutely maximise what they have. But they could also end up those 'in between' types and not live up to hopes.

Conversely I doubt Phillips or DGB ever will be at that highest level of the competition, but they are probably more likely to be top 5 players on an AFL list. They seem really safe high quality players.

It's the old risk/reward thing but I think pick 4 is about where you take the riskier prospects and I reckon at least 1 of Thilthorpe or Hollands will be there and we will take them.

My gut feel is Crows take the punt on Thilthorpe's upside given he's from SA; Kangas snap up McDonald; Swans take DGB and we land Hollands. And I would be thrilled with that.

 

[Pessimistic]

Mid or tall? we seem to have uncovered all our mids in our list, but not so much our talls. Kosi and Jeka, and whats left in Lewis

If it came to a straight choice, they may go Tall

 

[H00t]

Highest ceiling.

To be fair Deledio was also a ridiculous talent. Who was a really good player but never quite became the player he should have been. Agree buddy had the highest ceiling but it wasn’t by much.

 

[Billyc]

To be fair Deledio was also a ridiculous talent. Who was a really good player but never quite became the player he should have been. Agree buddy had the highest ceiling but it wasn’t by much.

I actually see a bit of Deledio in Hollands - good size, powerful, strong overhead, thumping kick, goalkicker, good mover.

 

[VandoHawk]

his best position is as a ruck, he could be a tall forw, but its not his best position imo and it also boosts his profile

here he is mostly as a ruck




P.S. rumours are his calf injury could be ostietis pubis? they are rumours so not confirmed

Why are there some murmurs that Thilthorpe might go 1 then? Is it simply because he's a tall from SA or did he look amazing last year? Smoke and mirrors from Adelaide?

 

[Roby]

Why are there some murmurs that Thilthorpe might go 1 then? Is it simply because he's a tall from SA or did he look amazing last year? Smoke and mirrors from Adelaide?

As I said before. If Adelaide were going to use him at pick 1 they may as well trade that pick. We give them 4 and our future second (next year is a good SA draft). Thilthorpe will still be there at pick 4.

 

[H00t]

I actually see a bit of Deledio in Hollands - good size, powerful, strong overhead, thumping kick, goalkicker, good mover.

Similar sort of player but Deledio was a step above, even given how talented Hollands’ is. Deledio was a lot better inside than Hollands’ and could play midfield and forward.
Bit of a shame Deledio was wasted at Richmond during their poor years then struggled with his calf when he should have been at his prime. He wasn’t selected in front of buddy and roughy for nothing, though we did win that draft.

 

[Davo-27]

Why are there some murmurs that Thilthorpe might go 1 then? Is it simply because he's a tall from SA or did he look amazing last year? Smoke and mirrors from Adelaide?

as i said he is in that top 7, the S.A. media have been pumping him up big time and you know how influential media are with some people, also Adelaide have drifted away from their S.A. locals of late and it hasnt worked for them, so they need a local talent as a winner after passing up a lot in the past 5-6 years, its a combination of things.

he is a high end talent - check
S.A. media are pumping him up - check
Adelaide need a local win after wasting picks on Tassies and Victorians ect - check
Adelaide needs to fix their culture, so are more open to media influence to appease the masses - check

 

[Roby]

as i said he is in that top 7, the S.A. media have been pumping him up big time and you know how influential media are with some people, also Adelaide have drifted away from their S.A. locals of late and it hasnt worked for them, so they need a local talent as a winner after passing up a lot in the past 5-6 years, its a combination of things.

he is a high end talent - check
S.A. media are pumping him up - check
Adelaide need a local win after wasting picks on Tassies and Victorians ect - check
Adelaide needs to fix their culture, so are more open to media influence to appease the masses - check

That said even he ends up worse than McDonald for example, McDonald may not want to stay in Adelaide and they will have somewhat wasted that pick.

 

[Billyc]

Similar sort of player but Deledio was a step above, even given how talented Hollands’ is. Deledio was a lot better inside than Hollands’ and could play midfield and forward.
Bit of a shame Deledio was wasted at Richmond during their poor years then struggled with his calf when he should have been at his prime. He wasn’t selected in front of buddy and roughy for nothing, though we did win that draft.

agree with that. On performances Hollands didn’t get his U18 year obviously so not at the level. But that’s the sort of talent he seems to have and they seem a similar style. Deledio was a gun, who could have been even better at a stronger club (at the time obviously). I actually think the way the game is played now would suit him perfectly too.

 

[H00t]

agree with that. On performances Hollands didn’t get his U18 year obviously so not at the level. But that’s the sort of talent he seems to have and they seem a similar style. Deledio was a gun, who could have been even better at a stronger club (at the time obviously). I actually think the way the game is played now would suit him perfectly too.

Agreed he was pretty much dusty before dusty. Though never hit the heights of dusty. Richmond let him roam the hff and he dominated but their midfield wasn’t good enough so he often had to cover for them by playing inside mid and getting 30 + touches.

Hollands’ gets close to that and he will be a superstar

 

[tommyk72]

Sold. Looks a jet.
Also, Hodgey had OP as well when we drafted him. Just saying

I'm the opposite. The highlights really didn't do much for me. He won't dominate in the ruck in the AFL like he did in these clips. The additional tricks/marking didn't do enough for me to justify the hype.

 

[HolyRioli]

But has he played both ruck and forward because he's so versatile and good at the positions?

Perhaps the team that selects him will prioritize him in one position and pinch-hit in the other?

Regardless, he seems to be a very talented prospect and I'd be interested in his development (wherever he goes). He reminds me a little of Matty Kreuzer, with potentially better skills. The only thing that held Kreuzer back were injuries - otherwise he could've dominated at AFL level.

pretty sure he played ruck against his age-group peers, and forward / relief ruck in the SANFL. You’d think it’d be a bit irresponsible to put him against men in the ruck from a physical development perspective

 

[HolyRioli]

his best position is as a ruck, he could be a tall forw, but its not his best position imo and it also boosts his profile

here he is mostly as a ruck




P.S. rumours are his calf injury could be ostietis pubis? they are rumours so not confirmed

I mean, OP is a groin injury, and while I’m sure sven_inc or any of our other resident physios / medics could point out the link between the two, to my intuitive guess they are some distance apart

 

[rei154]

Hawthorn big footy: WE HAVE NO GOOD RUCKS, BIG BOY IS OLD AND NEEDS TO DO 100% OF THE LIFTING
*someone proposes drafting the best ruck/one of the best KPF's in the draft year
Hawthorn big footy: YUCK, DRAFTING THE BEST RUCK? STINKIE UH OHHHHH