List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

[jackcass]

apparently we will need list spots for picks to match Daicos so i would guess 6-8

Yeah but it's pointless delisting players who won't give you a draft pick with points value.

 

[nahnah]

I disagree. I think the 3 mentioned in Greenwood, Roughy, and Mayne could be coming to the end of their tenure.

Beyond them there are a few who have been at the club a while but haven't established themselves. Of course they could do so in 2021. That group includes Tohill, Lynch, Sier, Murphy and probably Wilson. I doubt we'd turn all of them over, in fact I expect more than a few of them will have strong impacts at senior level in 2021, or be strong VFL contributors awaiting an opportunity. I'm quite bullish about our list post the trade/draft period.

Roughead is contracted beyond next season. You think Cox and JT are going to stay on? No chance I would have thought.

 

[legendstatus]

Instead of just adding a link, can you add a comment on what it is so I don’t waste my time

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[loki04]

I'll see your image with another image:

He's 18 and clearly doesn't have a mature AFL standard physique in terms of core strength or muscular development (not that he would be expected to at this stage) and yet he tips the scales at the 194cm / 101kg.

Some examples of mature-bodied AFL KPF's for comparison (numbers taken from footywire):

Levi Casboult

30

Levi Casboult

Age

35

Ht

199cm

Wt

104kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

6.5

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

5.3

5star

T

1.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

10.1

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

2.6

2star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.3

2star

G

1.3

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

5.2

5star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.4

5star

: 201cm / 101kg
Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

: 204cm / 99kg
James Stewart

17

James Stewart

Age

31

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.4

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

4.7

3star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

193.5

3star

No current season stats available

D

12.4

4star

K

7.0

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.8

3star

MG

200.4

4star

: 199cm / 96kg
Josh Bruce

17

Josh Bruce

Age

33

Ht

198cm

Wt

97kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.2

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.6

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.1

4star

MG

90.4

1star

D

8.9

2star

K

3.5

1star

HB

5.4

3star

M

2.5

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

90.4

2star

D

11.2

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

0.8

3star

: 197cm / 101kg
Aaron Naughton

33

Aaron Naughton

Age

26

Ht

196cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.0

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

4.9

5star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

6.3

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.3

2star

M

2.5

3star

T

0.8

1star

G

0.5

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

0.0

1star

: 195cm / 89kg
Tom McDonald

25

Tom Mcdonald

Age

33

Ht

195cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

261.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.6

1star

MG

135.6

2star

D

13.8

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

: 194cm / 99kg
Josh Kennedy: 196cm / 102kg
Tom Hawkins

26

Tom Hawkins

Age

37

Ht

197cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.2

3star

K

7.9

3star

HB

4.4

3star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.9

4star

G

2.1

5star

D

12.7

3star

K

8.6

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

2.1

3star

G

1.6

5star

D

7.8

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.2

2star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

2.2

5star

: 198cm / 103kg
Sam Weideman

10

Sam Weideman

Age

28

Ht

197cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

4.7

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

3.7

4star

T

1.5

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

7.0

1star

K

4.3

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.8

4star

T

0.5

1star

G

1.8

5star

D

9.2

3star

K

3.6

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

0.4

3star

G

1.2

4star

: 195cm / 97kg
Matt Taberner: 198cm / 99kg
Jake Riccardi: 195cm / 92kg
Daniel McStay

11

Daniel Mcstay

Age

30

Ht

195cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.6

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

3.3

3star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.6

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

3.3

2star

M

3.9

4star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.9

4star

D

8.4

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.2

4star

: 195cm, 100kg

and the list goes on...

Callow has an immature physique and is clearly lacking in that respect in comparison to literally any of the players listed above and yet his weight is up there with the bigger specimens. Feel free to compare him side by side with any of the players listed above (or any other established similar-sized KPF's on an AFL list) if you still think there isn't a marked difference.

Based on those comparisons he does appear to be carrying too much weight (note I'm not saying he's fat, but he is heavy for his size) and, given the concerns about his athleticism that have been reported pretty widely, it looks like he needs to both lose weight and improve his functional strength rather than just relying on weight (increased athleticism will likely come with that change) if he's going to make it onto an AFL list.

1 afl preseason would see him shed muscle through the copious amounts of running expected of him.

I am also dubious on many of those listed weights on some of those players no way Casboult is hitting the scales at only 101. Nor would Naughton be only 89kg I call BS on many of the weights listed by clubs.

He may not have a "mature build" but you can see weights development through shoulders and parts of the lower chest. He also has very big legs for an 18 yo which would be where most his listed weight would come from.

No way known this behemoth is only 101kg.

 

[Apex36]

Roughead is contracted beyond next season. You think Cox and JT are going to stay on? No chance I would have thought.

They were talking about extending Cox’s contract (less per year more overall) for another year in the trade period, so I expect him to be at Collingwood in 2022, hopefully as depth.

 

[Apex36]

Instead of just adding a link, can you add a comment on what it is so I don’t waste my time

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It wasn’t just a link, it should have appeared as a labelled YouTube video. It’s not his fault it didn’t display properly on your screen.

 

[nahnah]

They were talking about extending Cox’s contract (less per year more overall) for another year in the trade period, so I expect him to be at Collingwood in 2022, hopefully as depth.

thought that was only if they couldn't dump all the players we dumped?

 

[legendstatus]

It wasn’t just a link, it should have appeared as a labelled YouTube video. It’s not his fault it didn’t display properly on your screen.

Is there a comment then?


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[Brent24]

Is there a comment then?


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If it displayed properly for you, it clearly says draft highlights. Literally nothing wrong with what Dave did, just because you can't work it out.

 

[Apex36]

Is there a comment then?


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The video is clearly labelled Liam McMahon: draft highlights.

He shouldn’t need to comment

 

[TradeDraft]

Instead of just adding a link, can you add a comment on what it is so I don’t waste my time

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A Video Should come out and Say what it is

 

[Roverjg]

Can't believe he hasn't sired a dozen kids.

LOL.... How do you know he hasn't??

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[TheGreatGrundy]

To be fair there are still plenty of fans who would vividly recall Grundy/Broomhead/Kennedy and Scharenberg/Freeman as being recent false dawns for the club.

We need these selections to yield difference-making players.

I don't want to jump on the bandwagon for another season. We really don't know how these guys are going to perform at AFL level and there is no point in talking them up the way investors do shares on the Hot Copper forum. What looks good at a lower sporting level does not necessarily translate into excellence when matched against class players.

Our selections also need to prove they are not going to fall victim to the Collingwood injury curse, spending much of their careers recovering from repetitive hamstring injuries or going for a record number of ACLs. I will bide my time before I give my seal of approval to our new influx of players. They look OK on paper and in their highlight reels, but can they become the players we need them to be if we are to realistically challenge again for a premiership?

 

[Horaceg]

I think all of WHE, Brown and Thomas should be feeling pretty nervous. In addition to McReery, Macrae and Henry are both very capable forwards. Reef too, although I think he’ll be a slower burn with his current endurance.

Don’t be surprised if Reef has a better than expected 2km

 

[Apex36]

Don’t be surprised if Reef has a better than expected 2km

Ooooh, I was wondering how long it would take for a tanking conspiracy to arise!

 

[Apex36]

So I can’t be bothered going through the 20 pages that were from draft night. Did Matt_352 melt the way I imagined he would when Cox and Reid both got taken by the Bummers?

 

[Horaceg]

Ooooh, I was wondering how long it would take for a tanking conspiracy to arise!

I’m not saying he tanked, just had a bad day, we all do!

 

[Matt_352]

So I can’t be bothered going through the 20 pages that were from draft night. Did Matt_352 melt the way I imagined he would when Cox and Reid both got taken by the Bummers?

Sorry to disappoint you but no

 

[partypie]

Don’t be surprised if Reef has a better than expected 2km

I guess there's no need for him to tank time trials anymore now that he's at the club...

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I’m not saying he tanked, just had a bad day, we all do!

Ned Guy has bad... fortnights.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

hard to imagine it continuing next year given changes to NGA priority access in the 1st round after this year for clubs other than the northern academies.

Even so, we have 1 x second and 3 x thirds?

We’ll need a spot for Daicos, so we create four spaces, match for Daicos, use up our picks with points value and then elevate three rookies. We’d be hoping that at a minimum Keane and Wilson have come on by then, and would have used up their eligibility by then anyway from memory?

 

[Apex36]

Even so, we have 1 x second and 3 x thirds?

We’ll need a spot for Daicos, so we create four spaces, match for Daicos, use up our picks with points value and then elevate three rookies. We’d be hoping that at a minimum Keane and Wilson have come on by then, and would have used up their eligibility by then anyway from memory?

We actually have another potential NGA that sits outside the top 20 next year in Dib, so 2 spots for draftees and 2 rookie elevations is perfect unless we need extra points for Daicos and have to open up another spot.

 

[loki04]

Not a whole lot of Big man stuff in that, couple lead and marks and a lot of sitting on own stuff. It's the biggest stain on Dekka's career outside picking small crumbing xfactor types is picking quality KPFs.

 

[Apex36]

Not a whole lot of Big man stuff in that, couple lead and marks and a lot of sitting on own stuff. It's the biggest stain on Dekka's career outside picking small crumbing xfactor types is picking quality KPFs.

I desperately hope against hope that we invite Callow to train with us this summer, but I know I’m going to be disappointed.

 

[TradeDraft]

Rebuilding the Magpies: inside the Collingwood bunker

An exclusive look from inside the room as Collingwood recruiters helped reshape the club's list on AFL draft night following the traumas of the Magpies' trade period.

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