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List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

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Quicky said:
This is the TSL seniors grand final last year. It isn't just kids he's bullying.

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He is certainly a strong bull and a natural footballer but at only 193 cm and average athleticism there has to be a question mark as to how that translates to AFL, If that clip was SANFL, WAFL or VFL Id be reassured, but Im not sure the Tassie League isn't a great standard these days. FWIW, I reckon the likes of Zach Reid and Nick Cox offer more upside as these kids have the size and athleticism required at AFL, and Im not sure Callow does. Id happily take him 2nd round, or even late 1st round (which we might end up with if we keep winning), but I reckon others are better AFL KP prospects
 
Mark W said:
He is certainly a strong bull and a natural footballer but at only 193 cm and average athleticism there has to be a question mark as to how that translates to AFL, If that clip was SANFL, WAFL or VFL Id be reassured, but Im not sure the Tassie League isn't a great standard these days. FWIW, I reckon the likes of Zach Reid and Nick Cox offer more upside as these kids have the size and athleticism required at AFL, and Im not sure Callow does. Id happily take him 2nd round, or even late 1st round (which we might end up with if we keep winning), but I reckon others are better AFL KP prospects
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He’s 194cm and 100kg. He absolutely has the size required for AFL. Looks a natural footballer, and I’d hope we have learned our lesson overlooking footballers for athletes when we overlooked Cripps in 2013. Iirc Knightmare is a big wrap for this kid. Maybe he could shed some light?
 

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Mark W said:
He is certainly a strong bull and a natural footballer but at only 193 cm and average athleticism there has to be a question mark as to how that translates to AFL, If that clip was SANFL, WAFL or VFL Id be reassured, but Im not sure the Tassie League isn't a great standard these days. FWIW, I reckon the likes of Zach Reid and Nick Cox offer more upside as these kids have the size and athleticism required at AFL, and Im not sure Callow does. Id happily take him 2nd round, or even late 1st round (which we might end up with if we keep winning), but I reckon others are better AFL KP prospects
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He looks plenty athletic in his highlights. He's up to 194cm now too, and these guys often grow a bit more after being drafted. I just reckon he looks a natural footballer and natural key forward.
 
Apex36 said:
He’s 194cm and 100kg. He absolutely has the size required for AFL. Looks a natural footballer, and I’d hope we have learned our lesson overlooking footballers for athletes when we overlooked Cripps in 2013. Iirc Knightmare is a big wrap for this kid. Maybe he could shed some light?
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Yeah, 194cm and 100kg is a legit size. Jack Riewoldt is 193cm and 92kgs, Darling is 191cm and 95kgs, Checkers is 192cm and 97kgs, Sam Weideman is 195cm and 97kgs, etc etc.
 
Quicky said:
He looks plenty athletic in his highlights. He's up to 194cm now too, and these guys often grow a bit more after being drafted. I just reckon he looks a natural footballer and natural key forward.
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Really? If he was plenty athletic I'd suggest he would be talked about as a top 10 draft pick, cause his vice like hands and goal kicking look really elite to me, so something must be putting the slows on the kid. FWIW, I saw in that clip a guy who struggled to get separation from his opponent on the lead, and in that nice contested mark in the square, he didn't exactly get high off the ground with a big leap.

It would be great if he is still growing...at only 193 cm and playing KP you would be giving away significant height to most opponents, and would feel much more comfortable in taking him if he grew 2-3 cm
 
gouki88 said:
Yeah, 194cm and 100kg is a legit size. Jack Riewoldt is 193cm and 92kgs, Darling is 191cm and 95kgs, Checkers is 192cm and 97kgs, Sam Weideman is 195cm and 97kgs, etc etc.
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Sure...but Jack compensates his relative lack of height with a massive leap. Darling is incredibly mobile, moves like a midfielder. And thats kind of my point. If you are lower end of the height spectrum as a KP you need something to compensate. Now to be fair, the kid looks a ripper contested mark, so maybe that's his point of difference, but whether than translated to AFL where everyone is a bit bigger, stronger and faster is the unknown question.

I think Checkers is a good comparison to this kid. Checkers has been a good player for us, plenty of footy smarts and good skills, but hardly a top liner. Id say the main reasons he isnt a top liner is that he is 192 cm and not 197 cm and his pace is ordinary. . I suspect this kid would be about as good as Checkers, and Im not sure you cough up a first rounder for that type of player.

All this sounds like Id be unhappy if we drafted this kid. I wouldn't be. There is plenty to like and if he was the best available KP at our pick, Id take him happily (presuming our pick is going to be around 15 or 16 and we haven't traded into the top 10). I just like some other KP prospects who might be available at our pick a bit more, and he doesn't look a top 10-15 prospect to me...All of course in my very inexpert humble opinion
 
Mark W said:
Sure...but Jack compensates his relative lack of height with a massive leap. Darling is incredibly mobile, moves like a midfielder. And thats kind of my point. If you are lower end of the height spectrum as a KP you need something to compensate. Now to be fair, the kid looks a ripper contested mark, so maybe that's his point of difference, but whether than translated to AFL where everyone is a bit bigger, stronger and faster is the unknown question.

I think Checkers is a good comparison to this kid. Checkers has been a good player for us, plenty of footy smarts and good skills, but hardly a top liner. Id say the main reasons he isnt a top liner is that he is 192 cm and not 197 cm and his pace is ordinary. . I suspect this kid would be about as good as Checkers, and Im not sure you cough up a first rounder for that type of player.

All this sounds like Id be unhappy if we drafted this kid. I wouldn't be. There is plenty to like and if he was the best available KP at our pick, Id take him happily (presuming our pick is going to be around 15 or 16 and we haven't traded into the top 10). I just like some other KP prospects who might be available at our pick a bit more, and he doesn't look a top 10-15 prospect to me...All of course in my very inexpert humble opinion
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I'm actually getting a bit OVER the statements that "Checkers is just a good average player and hardly a top liner". When you check his stats he goes really well actually. He consistently kicks a couple of goals a week and his workrate and marking is fantastic. I think last year Derm rated Checkers as an elite player simply based on his ability to influence contests, well who else do you see regularly kicking his 2 or 3 goals on McGovern?

As for the lad Callow, he looks to me like a real prospect. He'd need to lose 5-8kgs of puppy fat but according to "Shifter" Sheehan he's an elite endurance runner who offers multiple leads. What I saw from the clips was that he doesn't mind chasing and that he tackles to hurt. He's a lovely kick and has great hands (typical Taswegian). He's a bit like Checkers but he's also a bit like Jack Reiwoldt. If he's available, I'd be happy to give the kid a go. Have a look at the size of his neck and head....he's going to be a massive man and a real bull of a forward.
 
Mark W said:
Really? If he was plenty athletic I'd suggest he would be talked about as a top 10 draft pick, cause his vice like hands and goal kicking look really elite to me, so something must be putting the slows on the kid. FWIW, I saw in that clip a guy who struggled to get separation from his opponent on the lead, and in that nice contested mark in the square, he didn't exactly get high off the ground with a big leap.

It would be great if he is still growing...at only 193 cm and playing KP you would be giving away significant height to most opponents, and would feel much more comfortable in taking him if he grew 2-3 cm
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Did you see his 1st mark and the run down? Plenty of speed. The mark in the goal square showed a good leap. 194cm with his frame is a very good size. Let other clubs underate him if they're worried about a couple of cm and a couple milliseconds on a sprint time. It'll be their loss.

He's got aggression, he's got strong hands, a long straight kick and knows leading patterns. Plenty of the more highly rated athletic talls never learn that and fail in the role. Reckon Cox and Reid present as defenders. The defender that could go forward this year is DGB IMO.
 
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Apex36 said:
No Cox in Shifters top tall forwards? Maybe rates him as a defender or utility?
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Probably a Defender but I lot of Talls seem can play Forward and/or Back
 
Hope the pies take 4 in the draft but with list cuts seems unlikely to happen

A 1st rd intercepting KPP like Cox or DGB, Reef and a Laurie or Callow probably satisfies me though. Gets us a bit of everything
 

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manicpie said:
Callow is a gun, we are primed to be able to take him with our first pick. Much better than Cox and Reid who both look like overgrown midfielders and really skinny
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I don’t care how skinny a kid is at draft, just whether he has the most talent. If Cox or Reid considered more talented, and with the right headspace, then they would be my preference. Big kids don’t always make good senior players.
 
whiskeytown said:
Hope the pies take 4 in the draft but with list cuts seems unlikely to happen

A 1st rd intercepting KPP like Cox or DGB, Reef and a Laurie or Callow probably satisfies me though. Gets us a bit of everything
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List cuts are going to be minimal and we’re likely to lose/lost Reid, Varcoe, Scharenberg, Beams, Langdon and could also potentially see Phillips, Sier, Wills and Atu moved on. I’d actually be really surprised if we didn’t take at least 4 in this draft tbh.
 
manicpie said:
Callow is a gun, we are primed to be able to take him with our first pick. Much better than Cox and Reid who both look like overgrown midfielders and really skinny
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He seems to be rated by most watchers in the 30-60 range. I’d be surprised, but not upset if we were to take him early.
 
ClaytonM said:
I don’t care how skinny a kid is at draft, just whether he has the most talent. If Cox or Reid considered more talented, and with the right headspace, then they would be my preference. Big kids don’t always make good senior players.
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If it comes down to football Talent then Callow is miles ahead, he could play seniors next year, the other 2 will take 5 years to develop
 

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