List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

[Crazy Tails]

Jones from Port. Also Gulden from Sydney I've seen in some mock drafts around the mark but generally after Reef so maybe not.

I think Sydney have a kid named Campbell too.

So if JUH takes 3 picks, Campbell takes 2-3 picks & Jones 2-3 picks our late ones might come in about 8 selections by the Reef bid.


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[neilk]

Don’t know if it’s already been mentioned but got the members email today from CEO Mark Anderson , there’s a mention of going into the draft with a stronger hand than what we have at the moment.

This message was also on Facebook for the non-members.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Georgiades isn’t really a similar case at all. He was rated unanimously as a first round prospect until he injured himself and was on the sidelines for his draft year. Slipped in rankings to maybe 30 but Port took the gamble that he could produce that high quality seen in his bottom age year. Baldwin is in a similar boat to Georgiades but more extreme and I don’t think clubs will risk an early pick on that knee.

I actually like Callow, but I’m not as convinced that he’ll go as early as you think. He seems to be in that 30-40 or later range going by most draft watchers aside from a select few.

This is what I’m trying to say. It’s not that I don’t like Callow, he just won’t go in the top 30 unless someone really pulls a surprise on draft night. Georgiades was a surprise but they are completely different players. It’s like saying Will Kelly

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is like Anthony Rocca

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(both have their advantages and strengths, but different forwards).

 

[Pie 4 Life]

The other thing to keep in mind is there’s only probably 40-50 “live” picks this year. A lot might be rookie upgrades or recycled. Clubs aren’t expecting much more than maybe three rounds.

 

[nahnah]

So there aren't any key forwards around our picks?

 

[Soups]

So there aren't any key forwards around our picks?

The of the talls that may be around our picks are more suited to defence in my opinion. Chapman, Reid and Cox would be the ones.

Baldwin and Callow as discussed earlier look to be second round onwards.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

So there aren't any key forwards around our picks?

There's a lot of KPDs around our picks. Riley Thilthorpe could slide to the early teens as the best chance. Obviously JUH and McDonald will be off the table. Cox is capable of playing KPF as well as KPD so tbh he would be the one that I would pick. I mean imagine all the possibility with two six-to-seven foot Cox's in the forward line...

It's why I'd rather drop down and pick up a Callow if need be, but someone like a Cox or Reid screams the type we will likely be after. Cox in particular is a super athletic type. If we miss out on a second tall, there's Ollie Lord who could be a late/rookie option.

 

[Matt_352]

If we got Essendon pick 8 then I'd say we would probably use that on Nik Cox

 

[nahnah]

There's a lot of KPDs around our picks. Riley Thilthorpe could slide to the early teens as the best chance. Obviously JUH and McDonald will be off the table. Cox is capable of playing KPF as well as KPD so tbh he would be the one that I would pick. I mean imagine all the possibility with two six-to-seven foot Cox's in the forward line...

It's why I'd rather drop down and pick up a Callow if need be, but someone like a Cox or Reid screams the type we will likely be after. Cox in particular is a super athletic type. If we miss out on a second tall, there's Ollie Lord who could be a late/rookie option.

just googled them, why is that semi long helmet type hairstyle so popular amongst teens these days?

 

[Bay Pie]

It's why I'd rather drop down and pick up a Callow if need be, but someone like a Cox or Reid screams the type we will likely be after. Cox in particular is a super athletic type. If we miss out on a second tall, there's Ollie Lord who could be a late/rookie option.

P4L, what's you thoughts on Ollie Lord outside his pick range?

On a separate topic, with 3 Academy players expected to go top 10, picks in the 1st round are pushed back 3 spots.

We could target GWS pick 13 (from 10) for our 2021 1st rounder and their 3rd rounder, which will be around pick 48 after the 3 top 10 academy players are selected. That leaves us with sufficient points for a pick 26 bid on Reef. If a bid comes around 20, trade our 2021 4th rounder for Brisbane's 2020 4th rounder which will be around pick 58 at the time of a pick 20 bid.

So when our picks become live, they'd be 13, 17 & 19 with sufficient points to cover a pick 20 bid, for Reef.

In 2021, we'd have 2 x 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder. Based on this years ladder position that'd have sufficient points to almost cover a pick 4 bid (50 points short). We'll be able to sort something there, at next years draft using later 2022 picks.

 

[No SPIN]

Guys, thoughts on:
Bailey Laurie - same size as Rowell, top 10 in combine 2k time trail, and his video is impressive, great decision maker, excellent in traffic. Fixes the AT hole (though with above average) but not elite speed - but disposal and decision making a clear upgrade on AT. Twomey rank 27

Also Archie Perkins - top 3 in vertical leap, top 10 in 2k time trail, - mid/HF and a goal kicker, and a good size at 186cm.- Twomey rank 17

Agree with others Cox looks very good.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

P4L, what's you thoughts on Ollie Lord outside his pick range?

On a separate topic, with 3 Academy players expected to go top 10, picks in the 1st round are pushed back 3 spots.

We could target GWS pick 13 (from 10) for our 2021 1st rounder and their 3rd rounder, which will be around pick 48 after the 3 top 10 academy players are selected. That leaves us with sufficient points for a pick 26 bid. If a bid comes around 20, trade our 2021 4th rounder for Brisbane's 2020 4th rounder which will be around pick 58 at the time of a pick 20 bid.

So we'd when our picks become live, they'd be 13, 17 & 19 with sufficient points to cover a pick 20 for Reef.

In 2021, we'd have 2 x 2nd rounders and a 3rd rounder. Based on this years ladder position that'd have sufficient points to almost cover a pick 4 bid (50 points short). We'll be able to sort something there, at next years draft using later 2022 picks.

He’s got some good upside just really raw. He’s one I expect to go around again in U19s next year and be a really good chance, but in saying that I wouldn’t be surprised to see someone through a late/rookie pick on him.

Athleticism and his speed on the lead are his strengths, so he’s capable of beating an opponent in multiple ways. He’s just a long-term prospect who has unfortunately not had the chance to work on his fundamentals and build some consistent form.

 

[Apex36]

There's a lot of KPDs around our picks. Riley Thilthorpe could slide to the early teens as the best chance. Obviously JUH and McDonald will be off the table. Cox is capable of playing KPF as well as KPD so tbh he would be the one that I would pick. I mean imagine all the possibility with two six-to-seven foot Cox's in the forward line...

It's why I'd rather drop down and pick up a Callow if need be, but someone like a Cox or Reid screams the type we will likely be after. Cox in particular is a super athletic type. If we miss out on a second tall, there's Ollie Lord who could be a late/rookie option.

I have a feeling this will be an 06 type draft where we pick up at least 3 talls. My bet is we try to trade in to the top 10 with our future pick, then grab Cox (Thilthorpe if he slides), then Reid or the best available mid (McRae?). I reckon we will try for a Callow or Baldwin late if available. I also reckon we’re right in to Ollie Lord as a rookie.

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Guys thoughts on:
Bailey Laurie - same size as Rowell, top 10 in combine 2k time trail, and his video is impressive, great decision maker, excellent in traffic. Fixes the AT hole (though with above average) but not elite speed - but disposal and decision making a clear upgrade on AT. Twomey rank 27

Also Archie Perkins - top 3 in vertical leap, top 10 in 2k time trail, - mid/HF and a goal kicker, and a good size at 186cm.- Twomey rank 17

Agree with others Cox looks very good.

Perkins is the other one I'd consider with Cook if we opt for that damaging forward prospect. He could be anything with his traits and has massive upside.

Laurie I think is good value in that second round, though not sure he is exactly what we need, but I wouldn't be upset if we picked him up. I feel the more predominant midfield fix will be McInnes so I personally think we will more pick up say KPF, KPD, damaging mid/forward, McInnes.

The other one I'd throw in the mix is Jake Bowey. Small but elite skill and rarely wastes a touch with his decision making too. Can play forward or mid, and has the scope to play off half-back. He's one I'd have no trouble grabbing in the top 20 alongside Perkins and Cook. Maybe a touch behind because of his size, but he's got the most tricks IMO.

 

[manicpie]

Perkins is the other one I'd consider with Cook if we opt for that damaging forward prospect. He could be anything with his traits and has massive upside.

Laurie I think is good value in that second round, though not sure he is exactly what we need, but I wouldn't be upset if we picked him up. I feel the more predominant midfield fix will be McInnes so I personally think we will more pick up say KPF, KPD, damaging mid/forward, McInnes.

The other one I'd throw in the mix is Jake Bowey. Small but elite skill and rarely wastes a touch with his decision making too. Can play forward or mid, and has the scope to play off half-back. He's one I'd have no trouble grabbing in the top 20 alongside Perkins and Cook. Maybe a touch behind because of his size, but he's got the most tricks IMO.

Do you know much about Eddie ford?

 

[Copeland]

So there aren't any key forwards around our picks?

Might be but we still could pass. Riccardi says hi!

 

[Pie 4 Life]

Do you know much about Eddie ford?

Yeah plenty of tricks, a forward who was hoping to progress into the midfield this year. A high-flyer with a neat highlight reel, just had to work on more consistency and add a few more strings to his bow. A second round prospect all things considered.

 

[DaVe86]

Isn't there a limit on trading multiple future picks?

 

[Robroy22]

Yeah plenty of tricks, a forward who was hoping to progress into the midfield this year. A high-flyer with a neat highlight reel, just had to work on more consistency and add a few more strings to his bow. A second round prospect all things considered.

This bloke would be my choice. He has a lot of likeable traits.

 

[TradeDraft]

Isn't there a limit on trading multiple future picks?

Only IF you trade a Future 1st Rounder

 

[pies 4 ever]

Not so sure why you’re so insistent that Callow will go so early when many draft watchers like P4L are saying otherwise. They generally have a better handle on things than us mug punters who only rely on highlight reels.

I wish people would stop taking Draft "experts" as Gods. If you think someone is just what we need then, back yourself in and get him. If a player like Callow/Baldwin is rated in the 30 to 40 range, it only takes one recruiter to rate him higher at say, 25 and you lose him, I'm not suggesting you use pick 10, but if he is available and you have, say, pick 20 then just get him, he fills a need. That's why I would like us to trade a couple of picks in the 18 to 23 range, Crows have 20 & 23, demons have 18 & 19 and GWS 20 & 29. One for Reef and one for Callow/Baldwin.
PS we have 2 2021 x 2nd rounders and we could package one with our 2021 1st.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Isn't there a limit on trading multiple future picks?

If you trade your own future first then you can’t trade any of your own selections outside the first round.

You can trade as many of your own selections outside the first round but if you do you can’t trade your own future first.

In saying the above if you acquire any future picks in any round from another club there are no restrictions on trading them.

For us we could trade our own future first and also the future second acquired from the Dogs. In this instance we couldn’t then trade any of our other future picks.


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[unplugged]

Aight, so call me Cal Twomey. Or maybe I hacked Derek Hine's email?

Pick 1 Adelaide: Logan McDonald
Pick 2 Bulldogs: JUH (match NM bid)
Pick 3 North Melbourne: Riley Thilthorpe
Pick 4 Sydney: Elijah Hollands
Pick 5 Hawthorn: DGB
Pick 6 Sydney: Campbell (suspect GCS return the favour of Sydney bidding on Bowes in 2016)
Pick 7 Gold Coast: Will Phillips
Pick 8 Essendon: Tanner Bruhn
Pick 9 Essendon: Zach Reid

Pies trade Future First (cur. 13 based solely on 2020 ladder), Dogs Future Second (cur. 30 based on 2020 ladder) for Essendon Pick 10.

Pick 10 Collingwood: Nathan O'Driscoll

Now, in the unlikely event that we're aiming to take 4 players, we keep our two firsts and use them, before a later match on Reef. But I suspect we'll only take 2 + Reef... so...

Pies then trade the two firsts (at this stage 16 and 18) to the Crows for what at this stage is 11 (the future first they got from GWS last year) and the Rory Atkins

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compensation, at this stage 42.

Pick 11 Collingwood: Heath Chapman

FWIW below is a list of some of the players available at this stage for picks 10 & 11 are:

Archie Perkins (Fwd/mid 186cm)
Nathan O'Driscoll (Mid/Def 187cm)
Heath Chapman (Key Def 193cm)
Oliver Henry (Med util 187cm)
Finlay Macrae (Balanced mid 184cm)
Nik Cox (Key defender/utility 199cm)

To name a few...

Also Lachlan Jones (Port NGA) and Alex Davies (GCS Academy) but there's absolutely no way we'd bid on either.

We then use that Pick 42 to match a bid on Reef.

 

[manicpie]

Aight, so call me Cal Twomey. Or maybe I hacked Derek Hine's email?

Pick 1 Adelaide: Logan McDonald
Pick 2 Bulldogs: JUH (match NM bid)
Pick 3 North Melbourne: Riley Thilthorpe
Pick 4 Sydney: Elijah Hollands
Pick 5 Hawthorn: DGB
Pick 6 Sydney: Campbell (suspect GCS return the favour of Sydney bidding on Bowes in 2016)
Pick 7 Gold Coast: Will Phillips
Pick 8 Essendon: Tanner Bruhn
Pick 9 Essendon: Zach Reid

Pies trade Future First (cur. 13 based solely on 2020 ladder), Dogs Future Second (cur. 30 based on 2020 ladder) for Essendon Pick 10.

Pick 10 Collingwood: Nathan O'Driscoll

Now, in the unlikely event that we're aiming to take 4 players, we keep our two firsts and use them, before a later match on Reef. But I suspect we'll only take 2 + Reef... so...

Pies then trade the two firsts (at this stage 16 and 18) to the Crows for what at this stage is 11 (the future first they got from GWS last year) and the Rory Atkins

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compensation, at this stage 42.

Pick 11 Collingwood: Heath Chapman

FWIW below is a list of some of the players available at this stage for picks 10 & 11 are:

Archie Perkins (Fwd/mid 186cm)
Nathan O'Driscoll (Mid/Def 187cm)
Heath Chapman (Key Def 193cm)
Oliver Henry (Med util 187cm)
Finlay Macrae (Balanced mid 184cm)
Nik Cox (Key defender/utility 199cm)

To name a few...

Also Lachlan Jones (Port NGA) and Alex Davies (GCS Academy) but there's absolutely no way we'd bid on either.

We then use that Pick 42 to match a bid on Reef.

Pretty good but not O'Driscoll at 10

 

[unplugged]

Pretty good but not O'Driscoll at 10

To be honest by the time I got to our picks I had absolutely no idea who to put