List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

[Crazy Tails]

North not ruling out trading pick 2. Essendon would have to be in the box seat with 6,7,8. Interesting that Clayton mentioned the need to improve their draft hand over the next two years. Our future first could appeal to them in some sort of trade. They take two of Essendon’s picks for pick 2 then we trade our future first for their pick 11?

If we ended up with 11,14 & 16 and a bid for Reef still hadn’t come by 16 I wouldn’t be against trading 16 for two later picks.

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[loki04]

Cox not even in his top 20.

Callow at 17.

Callow has a bit of the Tom Boyd's about him, physically larger than other 17-18 year olds.. not sure his ability will necessarily translate to AFL level.

When you're already 96kg you really need to be tearing games apart.
Always take the the skinny guy who's still growing and can put on 10-15kg.

This is a bit of a phurphy Boyd was uber big 198cm and not overtly aggressive who was mentally fragile. As he showed GF day none of it was a physical limitation rather mental application of his traits.

I've seen this (take skinny guy to "grow") come undone way more then the other way it just seems the bigger guys gets the focus. Most teens are skinny compared to men but we are talking uber skinny. Both polar opposites of teh spectrum

Not every big bodied player can't play the game or has small scope for improvement both in game or physically.

Taz was a built teen, Hodge, Selwood, Rocca bros, Lloyd, Fevola, Lockett, Ablett, Hawkins, Tcloke this list goes on.

Callow also shows very good judgement positioning and body work. In fact he could teach cox a thing or two.

 

[sr36]

They've lost 8 players but added Hogan and Pruess. My guess is that they struggle to use any more than 4 of their picks.

I think 4 is a stretch. As a team who appears to usually be pretty tight regarding cap, I expect they'll run at the lower end of the potential list sizes. They'll be trading picks, but it may not be relevant to us as they may prefer to trade up higher into this draft rather than trading into next year's.

 

[stormskye]

can’t see why Essendon would trade two picks for pick 2. They can get 3 ready made stars with what they have.

 

[jackcass]

I think we need to look at an excitement machine with one of our picks, a tall with another and then Reef.

Im conscious of the fact we have traded out Stephenson and Treloar...so that's two of our quickest players.

I think we really lacked midfield or half forward goals this year. It all depended on Cox, Mihocek or De Goey.

If say one pick would be a choice between Cook, Ford or Perkins

Another pick would be a choice between Cox or Reid ir Callow. And then obviously Reef.

If we get another first, I'd be looking at one of GWS picks and try to get a second rounder as well for points for Reef. If we get the 4 first rounders, then I'd definitely go the 2 talls, 1 x factor and Reef.

It seems much of the potential for McInnes is locking him into the midfield rotation but as a 17yo who has already grown a couple of cm's this year to 193, what's to say he won't get to 195-6cm and end up being a KPP rather than a Cripps sized mid. He's already shown he's adept in F50 and D50.

 

[Crazy Tails]

can’t see why Essendon would trade two picks for pick 2. They can get 3 ready made stars with what they have.

Depends on how much they might want Logan Mac; if they think he gets past pick 1.

 

[jackcass]

When was the last time we drafted someone with knee issues? Don’t say Scharenberg, because that was a foot issue. His knees went after his feet were fixed.

Was Dawes coming off a knee when we drafted him? Can't think of to many others.

 

[jackcass]

With the perception being that we will slide next year, I'd be looking to trade our 2021 first round pick for GWS's pick 15, pick 55 and their future third rounder plus a handshake agreement that they won't bid on Reef at 13.

This will give us 14, 15, 16 in the draft which should all hopefully come before Reef. We should then have enough points to match a Reef bid at 17+. We then also have the optionality to trade back into the second/third round this year after matching Reef's bid on the night if there's a slider that we like which I'd imagine there will be plenty. Suddenly we could have an influx of 4-5 top end talent in one draft and form the core of our next flag window after the Grundy/Adams/Moore/JDG era.

Picks 14, 15, & 16 could easily become 18, 19, & 20 by the time all the bids are matched.

 

[swoop42]

Given how highly rated Thilthorpe is you'd think Adelaide will play it say and go the local boy.

 

[No SPIN]

Was Dawes coming off a knee when we drafted him? Can't think of to many others.

Yes

 

[Crazy Tails]

Picks 14, 15, & 16 could easily become 18, 19, & 20 by the time all the bids are matched.

This is true but the NGA players that push these numbers out are also not really available to us anyway.

So take them out of the equation and really we still have access to the 14th, 15th and 16th best players in the open draft.

 

[pies 4 ever]

Ideally, I would like to see us get 2 Mids & 2 Talls this year. I know there are arguments for keeping next years first, but I would rather go for it this year and give the youngsters an extra year in the AFL/VFL.
I would look at trading our 2021 1st with our 2nd or 3rd. With these get Cox or Reid, Perkins or Ford, Callow and McInnes, which together with N Daicos, next year, this would set us up for the next 10 years.
We could also look at doing similar deals with DONS for say 8 & 44 or the SUNS for 5 & 27. If we did a deal with the Suns then W. Phillips, would be great.
For this exercise I have assumed our first to be Pick 10.

 

[jackcass]

This is true but the NGA players that push these numbers out are also not really available to us anyway.

So take them out of the equation and really we still have access to the 14th, 15th and 16th best players in the open draft.

Yeah, not quite sure that works but my point was that those selections will push our picks back, the further back we're pushed, the more likely a bid for McInnes.

 

[makethat2]

This is true but the NGA players that push these numbers out are also not really available to us anyway.

So take them out of the equation and really we still have access to the 14th, 15th and 16th best players in the open draft.

But teams like Bulldogs who don't have a pick before us will jump the draft ahead of us matching JUH. So straight away our pick is pushed back one.

 

[Ugene41]

Yeah, not quite sure that works but my point was that those selections will push our picks back, the further back we're pushed, the more likely a bid for McInnes.

But those clubs jumping ahead of us matching bids won't be bidding on Reef. So end of the day it's still the same few clubs ahead of us that are likely to bid for Reef

 

[loki04]

Ideally, I would like to see us get 2 Mids & 2 Talls this year. I know there are arguments for keeping next years first, but I would rather go for it this year and give the youngsters an extra year in the AFL/VFL.
I would look at trading our 2021 1st with our 2nd or 3rd. With these get Cox or Reid, Perkins or Ford, Callow and McInnes, which together with N Daicos, next year, this would set us up for the next 10 years.
We could also look at doing similar deals with DONS for say 8 & 44 or the SUNS for 5 & 27. If we did a deal with the Suns then W. Phillips, would be great.
For this exercise I have assumed our first to be Pick 10.
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The more I watch of Fords highlights the more he gives me a stiffy over the thought of getting him in Black and white, he has star written all over him.

It's interesting Perkins write up doesn't match his highlights.

 

[jackcass]

But those clubs jumping ahead of us matching bids won't be bidding on Reef. So end of the day it's still the same few clubs ahead of us that are likely to bid for Reef

Not questioning that, just stating that the further back our bids drift, the more likely a bid comes before our pick.

 

[Apex36]

But teams like Bulldogs who don't have a pick before us will jump the draft ahead of us matching JUH. So straight away our pick is pushed back one.

Read his post again.

 

[gopies123]

Geez the BF other draft boards have Reef shooting up around pick 10. What happens here? What’s our options? Was big on getting Phillips Cox or Callow but just watched the Eddie Ford highlights and OMG. There is another Conner Rozee that could slip out of the first round??? Get him!! Reef then split the other pick to get Ford (make sure) and Callow later?? Can we do it??


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[Matt_352]

Cox, Reef, Callow, Ford. Get it done Dekka

 

[Jen2310]

Collingwood NGA prospect Reef McInnes looms as a fascinating case. A NAB League premiership player with Oakleigh that also produced the quickest 20m sprint time of all players tested at a combine last month, McInnes could earn a bid between Picks 15 and 25. The Pies, after a disastrous trade period, are in an awkward spot, holding Picks 14 and 16 before their next selection at Pick 65. So if they really want McInnes, they might have to reach out to rival clubs to organise a deal.

Trading hasn’t stopped: AFL clubs that could feature heavily in pick swaps during ‘frantic period’

Trading hasn’t stopped: AFL clubs that most need to swap picks during ‘frantic period’

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[No SPIN]

The more I watch of Fords highlights the more he gives me a stiffy over the thought of getting him in Black and white, he has star written all over him.

It's interesting Perkins write up doesn't match his highlights.

Interesting - I saw Fords highlights over a month ago and ask here why he was so unfancied - those in the know suggested inconsistency.
Perkins also looks good and has rocketed from 17, into the Twomeys Top 10.
Either would be great with Perkins my preference with his Combine results -finishing 3rd in V.Leap and Top 10 in time trial.
If you get a chance, have a look at Bailey Laurie (he’s the same size as Rowell) - let me know your thoughts.

 

[legendstatus]

Nik Cox just told SEN he's up to 88kg. I have him listed as 82.

This is the guy I want us to pick up, need to get into the top 10 I reckon!!


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[loki04]

Interesting - I saw Fords highlights over a month ago and ask here why he was so unfancied - those in the know suggested inconsistency.
Perkins also looks good and has rocketed from 17, into the Twomeys Top 10.
Either would be great with Perkins my preference with his Combine results -finishing 3rd in V.Leap and Top 10 in time trial.
If you get a chance, have a look at Bailey Laurie (he’s the same size as Rowell) - let me know your thoughts.

It's very hard to judge off highlights for all of them, pity we dont have access to full games to get a better picture of them in 2020.

Laurie has some pro's in that he seems to find it well, has a good kick to advantage and often looks to get the player to "hit up at the footy" rather then kick it at where they are like many of our players so often do.
Seemed to have good core strength in the video and was often breaking tackles both with strength and a nice step.
His vision seemed first class often pivot and looked before making a choice never panicked in that highlights (which is a big plus in my eyes).
Looked to run the lines well and be an option to marking targets on the move.
Looks like he will be a reliable mid.

Few concerns off *limited viewing* are is; he is similar to Callum Brown in how he plays (need to remember Browns numbers in u18s were much higher too) to what capacity does he have for growth? or is what we see what we get but once in the system will it be more limited vs bigger and stronger opponents at AFL lvl?

Some of the tackles he broke were against players who were taller but physically less developed he wont be afforded that luxury at AFL level.

His kicking whilst good in terms of hitting up players seemed to lack depth and penetration (again like Cals often does).

Also at what pick range are you suggesting him for us and where our list sits?


On Ford yes even on limited viewing he is a dynamic type often if they can find the consistency you have a genuine game changing match winner.

Perkins off Highlights his kicking worries me, whilst not poor, it's not in the same category of the other 2 mentioned. It was a bit hit and miss.

 

[legendstatus]

Cox, Reef, Callow, Ford. Get it done Dekka

Bang! Trealor who? Stevo who? Phillips who?


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